The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

Ima hold out for more holidays before I get with Jezza and co

[DaveShoelace]

What do we think would be the impact of more bank holidays? Employers cutting standard holiday entitlement? Benefits? Making people work weekends?

Not against the idea but taking four extra days, forced, out of the workforce strikes me as having unintended consequences.

[Woodsey]

look at the final line

amazing really

Vote Tory for a fairer society: Survation for Mail on Sunday

Not really amazing.

Voting for Brexit proved people were stupid. This just confirms it.

We are all doomed.

For more impartial political opinions contact Keith @ I will insult everybody .com  .

To be fair this poll has meant Keith has to recalibrate his friend network to incorporate these Tory fair thinkers so it is a time of some upheaval!

I am always inclined to think if camel is whining it means the conservatives are probably doing a good job!

[Woodsey]

Pretty astonishing graph from YouGov on UK voter demographics. Age is the key dividing line in this election

and we have a starkly ageing population as baby boomers reach retirement.

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All that tells me is that when people are young they vote for idealism, as they get older and wiser with a few more quid in their pocket they realise they aren't willing to pay lumps for it!

[DaveShoelace]

Seen any good stats/polls/graphs on the male/female voting patterns in the UK Tighty?

[ripple11]

a leaked script for Labour MPs to use in the campaign

interestingly,no mention of Corbyn by name and no mention of how any pledges will be funded

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Great idea, 20% tax on school fees, forcing some parents to go into the already over subscribed state school system.
Surely they should be taking 20% off!

[MANTIS01]

This whole 'the tories are evil' malarky is well boring. Mainly though it's self-defeating at such a critical time for the uk and I think the swings are because people have generally had enough of it. SNP and remainers trying to destabilise our country, trying to weaken our hand is simply getting on people's wick. It's like we're all cast adrift in a boat, we could make it to land but these shrewdies are drilling holes in the hull while they call everyone stupid. I really think some people want to see the country fail so they can say I told you so. Yep that's well smart.

[Doobs]

This whole 'the tories are evil' malarky is well boring. Mainly though it's self-defeating at such a critical time for the uk and I think the swings are because people have generally had enough of it. SNP and remainers trying to destabilise our country, trying to weaken our hand is simply getting on people's wick. It's like we're all cast adrift in a boat, we could make it to land but these shrewdies are drilling holes in the hull while they call everyone stupid. I really think some people want to see the country fail so they can say I told you so. Yep that's well smart.

It is like when the Corbyn supporters who think people think he is doing badly because other people say he is.  If everybody said how well he was doing, he'd be on 50% in the polls.

Now we have people voting leave claiming it is only going to go badly because other people say it is going to go badly.  If everybody just sat around saying look at those lovely new clothes we'll be fine.

[arbboy]

Pretty astonishing graph from YouGov on UK voter demographics. Age is the key dividing line in this election

and we have a starkly ageing population as baby boomers reach retirement.

Click to see full-size image.

All that tells me is that when people are young they vote for idealism, as they get older and wiser with a few more quid in their pocket they realise they aren't willing to pay lumps for it!

Woodsey gets a lot of bad press on here for his polarised views but he has this bang on.  The amount of so called 'lefties' i went to uni with in the mid 90s who are now 100% results orientated tories is incredible  They vowed to never be tories and were super left then yet now none of them vote tory.  I went to uni as a skint working class tory.  I was one of the few proper tories at uni and 100% one of the poorest kids at uni back then.  I am still a relatively skint working class tory but these social climbing/champagne socialist lefties who jump ship really annoy me as their wealth goes through the roof.  Does anyone ever jump the other way in reality? I grew up a working class kid under Thatcher and bought into her ideas right or wrong.  I have never jumped ship and never will.  Similar to Woodsey.  People like us take a lot of shit but the reality is the results orientated social climbers should take all the shit as their beliefs change as their wealth changes.  Mine never has.

Camel is a very rare breed and he thinks most people think like he does when they don't as they get older.  The vast majority of punters are results orientated and talk through their wallet. Britain is getting richer and richer as a nation and we shouldn't be surprised that more and more lefties are turning right imo. That's why people like Camel can make a living gambling after all.

[The Camel]

Pretty astonishing graph from YouGov on UK voter demographics. Age is the key dividing line in this election

and we have a starkly ageing population as baby boomers reach retirement.

Click to see full-size image.

All that tells me is that when people are young they vote for idealism, as they get older and wiser with a few more quid in their pocket they realise they aren't willing to pay lumps for it!

Woodsey gets a lot of bad press on here for his polarised views but he has this bang on.  The amount of so called 'lefties' i went to uni with in the mid 90s who are now 100% results orientated tories is incredible  They vowed to never be tories and were super left then yet now none of them vote tory.  I went to uni as a skint working class tory.  I was one of the few proper tories at uni and 100% one of the poorest kids at uni back then.  I am still a relatively skint working class tory but these social climbing/champagne socialist lefties who jump ship really annoy me as their wealth goes through the roof.  Does anyone ever jump the other way in reality? I grew up a working class kid under Thatcher and bought into her ideas right or wrong.  I have never jumped ship and never will.  Similar to Woodsey.  People like us take a lot of shit but the reality is the results orientated social climbers should take all the shit as their beliefs change as their wealth changes.  Mine never has.

Camel is a very rare breed and he thinks most people think like he does when they don't as they get older.  The vast majority of punters are results orientated and talk through their wallet. Britain is getting richer and richer as a nation and we shouldn't be surprised that more and more lefties are turning right imo. That's why people like Camel can make a living gambling after all.

In my experience you are wrong.

There are far more left leaning pro poker players and gamblers than Tories.

You might well be correct if you include people who work for a living that gamble in their spare time.

But pure pros? Nope.

[TightEnd]

UK income inequality drops to lowest level since 1986 (on a post tax disposable income basis). ONS figs

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[TightEnd]

attempt to explain why people refuse to believe the above

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poverty-inequality-uk-incomes-economy-increasing-numbers-statistics-say-not-why-a7581796.html

[TightEnd]

CON: 46% (+7)
LAB: 24% (-2)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
UKIP: 8% (-3)
GRN: 4% (-3)

(via Kantar TNS / 20 - 24 Apr)

Chgs. w/ Aug 2016

[TightEnd]

Corbyn drops to new favourability low with YouGov.

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[AndrewT]

Corbyn's figures are so low I'm not even sure they can be described as favourability any more.

For comparison, I understand that chicken pox is only at -37.