The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

Pretty astonishing graph from YouGov on UK voter demographics. Age is the key dividing line in this election

and we have a starkly ageing population as baby boomers reach retirement.

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All that tells me is that when people are young they vote for idealism, as they get older and wiser with a few more quid in their pocket they realise they aren't willing to pay lumps for it!

Woodsey gets a lot of bad press on here for his polarised views but he has this bang on.  The amount of so called 'lefties' i went to uni with in the mid 90s who are now 100% results orientated tories is incredible  They vowed to never be tories and were super left then yet now none of them vote tory.  I went to uni as a skint working class tory.  I was one of the few proper tories at uni and 100% one of the poorest kids at uni back then.  I am still a relatively skint working class tory but these social climbing/champagne socialist lefties who jump ship really annoy me as their wealth goes through the roof.  Does anyone ever jump the other way in reality? I grew up a working class kid under Thatcher and bought into her ideas right or wrong.  I have never jumped ship and never will.  Similar to Woodsey.  People like us take a lot of shit but the reality is the results orientated social climbers should take all the shit as their beliefs change as their wealth changes.  Mine never has.

Camel is a very rare breed and he thinks most people think like he does when they don't as they get older.  The vast majority of punters are results orientated and talk through their wallet. Britain is getting richer and richer as a nation and we shouldn't be surprised that more and more lefties are turning right imo. That's why people like Camel can make a living gambling after all.

In my experience you are wrong.

There are far more left leaning pro poker players and gamblers than Tories.

You might well be correct if you include people who work for a living that gamble in their spare time.

But pure pros? Nope.

I can well believe it, pro poker players don't pay tax. I wouldn't mind voting to piss money away if I hadn't contributed any tax either. Contributing a significant 4 fig sum in tax every month makes me think otherwise.....

[Magic817]

This whole 'the tories are evil' malarky is well boring. Mainly though it's self-defeating at such a critical time for the uk and I think the swings are because people have generally had enough of it. SNP and remainers trying to destabilise our country, trying to weaken our hand is simply getting on people's wick. It's like we're all cast adrift in a boat, we could make it to land but these shrewdies are drilling holes in the hull while they call everyone stupid. I really think some people want to see the country fail so they can say I told you so. Yep that's well smart.

I am very much undecided. I want reasons to vote for a party as opposed to being told don't vote for the tories because they are bad.

[TightEnd]

crikey

ukip 4%. seems most of their 2015 vote (4million people,but only 1 seat because of first past the post) is indicating it will vote conservative

job done,referendum won, game over UKIP?

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 49 (+6)
LAB: 26% (-4)
LDEM: 13% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-3)

(via Ipsos Mori / 21 - 25 Apr)

[arbboy]

crikey

ukip 4%. seems most of their 2015 vote (4million people,but only 1 seat because of first past the post) is indicating it will vote conservative

job done,referendum won, game over UKIP?

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 49 (+6)
LAB: 26% (-4)
LDEM: 13% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-3)

(via Ipsos Mori / 21 - 25 Apr)

How could you vote for Nuttall?  Whatever people think of Nige and his views the vast majority of those 4m were voting for his personality and single policy.  Now that personality has left and brexit is done why on earth would you vote for Nuttall and UKIP?  The way he stood in Stoke in the by election was a total shambles from start to finish.  I think if Nige was still leading UKIP they would still receive a decent chunk of votes without winning any seat but Nuttall?  Please......

1/3 no UKIP seat is surely buying money given Nuttall's flop in Stoke and Carswell standing down?

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/total-seats-ukip

[TightEnd]

It is yes. i can't see them winning a seat, and would be confident about that

[DaveShoelace]

May have to have a bet on that, nice find arrboy.

[TightEnd]

"The problem you see is that large parts of 'Hard Brexit' are rather popular across the Labour heartlands"

Labour MP.

[Sheriff Fatman]

UK income inequality drops to lowest level since 1986 (on a post tax disposable income basis). ONS figs

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This has no key.  What do the various lines represent?

[TightEnd]

UK income inequality drops to lowest level since 1986 (on a post tax disposable income basis). ONS figs

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This has no key.  What do the various lines represent?

haven't save the image sorry,i will look out for another one.

[Sheriff Fatman]

attempt to explain why people refuse to believe the above

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poverty-inequality-uk-incomes-economy-increasing-numbers-statistics-say-not-why-a7581796.html

I think the paragraph before the one above gave a far clearer explanation (and one I can easily believe).

"On these figures, overall levels of relative poverty and overall income inequality have not changed since about 1990, after a sharp increase during Margaret Thatcher’s time."

[TightEnd]

Seen any good stats/polls/graphs on the male/female voting patterns in the UK Tighty?

will look out for this too

you gov polling tables normally show male/female splits

[TightEnd]

the pensions triple lock.

1

.. when first announced in June 2010 Budget the cost of the Triple Lock was put at £450m a year...

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[TightEnd]

2 .. this inadvertently released Government Actuary Report put the cost at £6 billion a year for Triple Lock currently

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[TightEnd]

3 OBR calculates that by 2020/21 Triple Lock will have pushed up Pensions costs by £4.73 billion a year to £80 billion vs earnings uprating:

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[TightEnd]

4 Eg Nov 2015: Triple Lock meant 2.9% increase in pensions £3.35 a week - biggest real terms increase in 15 years..Meant cuts elsewhere at DWP