The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

a real zinger of a heckle

stopped the person speaking in his tracks, it was that good

Can't make it out, what did they say?

[TightEnd]

a real zinger of a heckle

stopped the person speaking in his tracks, it was that good

Can't make it out, what did they say?

JC I was attending with european socialist leaders in brussels and they said to me...

"WHO ARE YOU?"

[Woodsey]

a real zinger of a heckle

stopped the person speaking in his tracks, it was that good

Can't make it out, what did they say?

JC I was attending with european socialist leaders in brussels and they said to me...

"WHO ARE YOU?"

 

[RickBFA]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

[nirvana]

A general point isn't a party being split on this issue a good thing for democracy in a referendum?  If labour and tories all agreed that staying in was for the best then it would just be Farage shouting like a maniac.  I think hearing both sides from the Tories is a good thing because they aren't just following the party line.

This.

Don't buy all the 'Boris is risking his career' or the 'Cameron has to quit if he loses' stuff. This isn't a partisan issue and it's not a black and white issue.

I think Cameron can (rightfully) reframe a loss him bringing a great moment of democracy to the country. Just like everyone had respect for Alex Salmond for encouraging so many people to vote in the Scotland exit voting even though his particular outcome lost.

I find it all quite exciting, this is an issue I do not have a huge in built bias on, so I don't know how I'll vote and am quite keen to learn more.

I hold you responsible for merging these threads

[nirvana]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Its blatantly obvious that we will continue to trade quite readily with the entire world. The remain campaign is largely going to be championed (visibly) by people who sometime in the last 30 years would have been on the exit side (certainly the bulk of the tory party and definitely the left of the labour party).

So, they are unable to champion the remain cause from a philosophical, big picture kinda view and I find the lack of a big idea element to Europe really demoralising.

The Tories can't really champion many positives about Europe because most of the positives are in the areas of social welfare/nanny statism/free movement, so the predominant noises (as always) will be about fear - job losses, trade meltdown, security risks. All the normal shiz to keep us in our place,  pliant and voting for big business interests/the status quo. Socialists/Greens/Liberals end up doing much the same because it's much easier to articulate threats and get through to people this way rather than to articulate positives.

I'd be really interested to hear any resounding positive about being a member of the EU that couldn't be countered with an easy response to show it's not actually very important or life changing for Joe Schmo

Very depressing

[doubleup]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Just answer one question.  We won't have any trade agreement with out biggest export market the USA.  How long do you think that will take to sort out? 

 

[Matt.NFFC.]

a real zinger of a heckle

stopped the person speaking in his tracks, it was that good

Can't make it out, what did they say?

JC I was attending with european socialist leaders in brussels and they said to me...

"WHO ARE YOU?"

 

Hilarious........

Especially when the camera shows everyone falling about in hysterics.....and these tools are running our country ffs.

[nirvana]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Just answer one question.  We won't have any trade agreement with out biggest export market the USA.  How long do you think that will take to sort out? 

Is it 3 weeks ?

[PokerBroker]

So let me get this straight when the Scots were considering leaving the UK they were told you can't use our pound, you have to take a shate of our debt and you won't be able to survive without our hand outs.  Yet when the shoe is on the other foot, of course the EU will deal with Britain and sign trade agreements that aren't as benefcial to them as they are the UK?

[doubleup]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Just answer one question.  We won't have any trade agreement with out biggest export market the USA.  How long do you think that will take to sort out? 

Is it 3 weeks ?

You can ignore this issue as much as you like, but the pro-eu camp are going to keep telling people how it is going to cost jobs and that investment is going to fall off a cliff. 

Unless it is properly addressed the British people are voting for Europe.

[nirvana]

So let me get this straight when the Scots were considering leaving the UK they were told you can't use our pound, you have to take a shate of our debt and you won't be able to survive without our hand outs.  Yet when the shoe is on the other foot, of course the EU will deal with Britain and sign trade agreements that aren't as benefcial to them as they are the UK?

Think we'll find the majority of people in England think Scotland would have struggled and that we shouldn't leave the EU - not sure what point is being made by that graphic

[nirvana]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Just answer one question.  We won't have any trade agreement with out biggest export market the USA.  How long do you think that will take to sort out? 

Is it 3 weeks ?

You can ignore this issue as much as you like, but the pro-eu camp are going to keep telling people how it is going to cost jobs and that investment is going to fall off a cliff. 

Unless it is properly addressed the British people are voting for Europe.

You're pushing on an open door in that I'm about as certain as certain can be that we will vote to stay in. Why not ? I don't think there's a compelling case to stay or leave so inertia seems a reasonable expectation. Frankly though,I don't think the average Brit spends even a minute thinking about a trade deal with the US or any other detail of this whole thing.

I'm interested in the turnout - wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty low and that the whole thing is a massive damp squib - just doesn't have the emotional tug of something like the Scottish referendum

[rfgqqabc]

a real zinger of a heckle

stopped the person speaking in his tracks, it was that good

Can't make it out, what did they say?

JC I was attending with european socialist leaders in brussels and they said to me...

"WHO ARE YOU?"

 

Hilarious........

Especially when the camera shows everyone falling about in hysterics.....and these tools are running our country ffs.

Glad I'm not the only one. Can you imagine that in a school debate?

[RickBFA]

Just looked at the Inland Revenue spreadsheets on trade.

Really interesting read.

In 2015 we imported £85 billion more from the EU than we exported to them.

£85 billion more!!!


Here's the link :

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/Pages/Annual-Tables.aspx

That's one hell of a lot of German and French jobs down the swanny if they decide to play hard ball on a trade agreement.

Just answer one question.  We won't have any trade agreement with out biggest export market the USA.  How long do you think that will take to sort out? 

 

I would imagine even the USA would want to tie up a deal in the circumstances when in 2015 they exported £35 billion's worth of goods to us.

If there is a transitional period of 2 years, wouldn't it be in everyone's interest to find a solution in that time?