The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Ironside]

It was always going to be hard for SNP to have a majority again, after all the system was designed do it wouldn't happen. They claimed last time it was a blip. It would of happened this time but claims were made that the SNP would clean sweep the constitute seats like they nearly did in the general election, and therefore voting for the SNP on the list was a waste so people voted for the greens on the list as the other pro indepence party, those votes would have easy put the SNP in a majority government.

But now we will see if the greens can bring something to the table and maybe a foothold for other smaller parties in future as long as we keep ukip out

[MintTrav]

Will the Mayor of London be able to travel to the USA next year? Donald Trump is supposedly due to come here in August so, no doubt, the question will arise, if he still comes.

Whether you are Conservative, Labour or other, it is surely good news that the racist campaign run by the Conservatives for Mayor of London was beaten. Goldsmith has spoken some sense in the past and seemed to be a breath of fresh air on some occasions but, when the chips were really down, he showed himself to be as reprehensible as his father. It wasn't just him, of course, and Cameron got stuck in unnecessarily at times, most likely for opportunistic rather than racist motives, though it all sounds the same. It was such a paradox for the Conservatives to claim racism in Labour while simultaneously running the most disgraceful racist campaign themselves. That was a step backwards but, hopefully, they will learn from it, or at least clean up their act for electoral reasons. That campaign losing was a step forward, though we won't know for some time whether it becomes a major landmark.

[Woodsey]

 

Tories will be in power 'for the next 15 years'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-will-be-in-power-for-the-next-15-years-say-bookies-a7016771.html

[dakky]

Could someone give me some examples of the racism that Jews are suffering in this country? I don't mean stuff that may happen on the internet (which is a recent thing anyway), but in real life. Maybe I have been asleep at the wheel, but I am not aware of ever having witnessed an anti-Jew incident, or hearing about one. I heard of some gang-fights in Manchester a few years ago between Asian and Jewish youths, but I'm not sure if that counts. Apart from that, nothing. If it has been going on, I have missed it. Everyone else seems to be convinced that anti-Jew racism is rampant (though I never heard one of the mention it before this week, including this thread). Can someone help me to understand what are the incidents that are blighting the daily lives of Jews in the UK?

These were from 2014, I think there was a rise last year. Manchester suffers a lot from this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/antisemitic-attacks-uk-community-security-trust-britain-jewish-population

Antisemitic incidents
Manchester, February 2014

Swastikas and the phrase “Jewish slag” daubed on gravestones at a Jewish cemetery.

Manchester, March 2014

An identifiably Jewish man was cycling to synagogue when youths jumped out at him, causing him to wobble on his bike. They then surrounded him and called him a “Jew”. He slipped and the group kicked him while he was on the ground. He did not suffer serious injury.

London, March 2014

A university student took a photograph of an identifiably Jewish person on a bus and them posted it on Twitter with the comment, “50 retweets and I’ll knock this Jew out”.

Norfolk, July 2014

A leaflet found among Israeli produce in a supermarket featured an image of the Israeli flag with the title “The flag of Zionist racist scum”. It read: “Deny the Holocaust? Of course there was a holocaust. What a pity Adolf and Co didn’t manage to finish the job properly!”

London, October 2014

Five girls from a Jewish secondary school were approached by a man at a London underground station who said: “Being Jewish is wrong. You are going to die if you carry on being Jewish,” and “I will kill you all after school.” He grabbed one of the girls by the wrist and said: “Come with me and be a Christian”. She kicked him and ran away.

CST said in 2014 there were 81 violent assaults, 81 incidents of damage and desecration of Jewish property, and 884 cases of abusive behaviour, more than double the number in 2013, several hundred of which involved social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter

[dakky]

I don't feel that all anti-Israel comments are necessarily anti-semitic.

I've never supported Israel's right-wing Likud party and even less so Netanyahu, and I have criticised them both many times. Does that mean that I am anti-semitic?

That is not as foolish a question as it may seem at first as I have known several Jews who were anti-semites.

I'm Jewish, support the fact that Israel exists, yet agree with the above regarding Netanyahu. I can confirm we are not anti-semitic.

[PokerBroker]

It was always going to be hard for SNP to have a majority again, after all the system was designed do it wouldn't happen. They claimed last time it was a blip. It would of happened this time but claims were made that the SNP would clean sweep the constitute seats like they nearly did in the general election, and therefore voting for the SNP on the list was a waste so people voted for the greens on the list as the other pro indepence party, those votes would have easy put the SNP in a majority government.

But now we will see if the greens can bring something to the table and maybe a foothold for other smaller parties in future as long as we keep ukip out

That's just plain wrong.  The both votes SNP was a disaster.  Example in Glasgow SNP managed 100k votes and got no list MSP's.

The Greens splitting the pro Indy vote in wee Ruthies's constituency never helped.

Ian Gray getting in was also a shock.

The number of unionists in the Labour Party who jumped the dyke to the Tories was also anomaly.

[DungBeetle]

Will the Mayor of London be able to travel to the USA next year? Donald Trump is supposedly due to come here in August so, no doubt, the question will arise, if he still comes.

Whether you are Conservative, Labour or other, it is surely good news that the racist campaign run by the Conservatives for Mayor of London was beaten. Goldsmith has spoken some sense in the past and seemed to be a breath of fresh air on some occasions but, when the chips were really down, he showed himself to be as reprehensible as his father. It wasn't just him, of course, and Cameron got stuck in unnecessarily at times, most likely for opportunistic rather than racist motives, though it all sounds the same. It was such a paradox for the Conservatives to claim racism in Labour while simultaneously running the most disgraceful racist campaign themselves. That was a step backwards but, hopefully, they will learn from it, or at least clean up their act for electoral reasons. That campaign losing was a step forward, though we won't know for some time whether it becomes a major landmark.

Yes.  The Goldsmith campaign was a nasty one.

[RickBFA]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

[doubleup]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

[david3103]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

So the alternatives are that polarised?
Either we have the free movement of people in the EU or everyone (do you mean just people in Europe or the entire global population) is to be chipped and tagged?

[RickBFA]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

Free movement of EU citizens means anyone can come to the UK.

Whether they are model citizens or terrorists.

In the current world, you don't think that freedom of movement carries any additional risk that it's easier for terrorists?

We are talking about security risks here, not other benefits of free movement. No increased risk at all?

[MintTrav]

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[doubleup]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

Free movement of EU citizens means anyone can come to the UK.

Whether they are model citizens or terrorists.

In the current world, you don't think that freedom of movement carries any additional risk that it's easier for terrorists?

We are talking about security risks here, not other benefits of free movement. No increased risk at all?

Last time I checked everyone entering the UK had to show a passport.  What exactly are we going to do extra in your post brexit world?  Go back to visas for everyone? 

Britain is going to be a f--king brilliant place post brexit - no tourism, no investment, no free trade, NK looking quite attractive really.

[RickBFA]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

Free movement of EU citizens means anyone can come to the UK.

Whether they are model citizens or terrorists.

In the current world, you don't think that freedom of movement carries any additional risk that it's easier for terrorists?

We are talking about security risks here, not other benefits of free movement. No increased risk at all?

Last time I checked everyone entering the UK had to show a passport.  What exactly are we going to do extra in your post brexit world?  Go back to visas for everyone? 

Britain is going to be a f--king brilliant place post brexit - no tourism, no investment, no free trade, NK looking quite attractive really.

Answering the question with a question is the sort of trick you'd expect from a Politician.

You've ignore the question about free movement of people and increased security risks.

You made me smile comparing UK to North Korea. Pretty ridiculous comment.

I'm sure plenty of countries around the world demonstrate that you don't have to be part of the EU to be a thriving, successful country.

[doubleup]

I see the Brexit debate warmed up somewhat today.

Gove and Osborne over trade.

The security chiefs wheeled out to make the Remain case - seemed a rather tenuous case they made. They seem to ignore any security issues free movement of people may bring.

and what would those be?  Do you want everyone microchipped and tagged?

Free movement of EU citizens means anyone can come to the UK.

Whether they are model citizens or terrorists.

In the current world, you don't think that freedom of movement carries any additional risk that it's easier for terrorists?

We are talking about security risks here, not other benefits of free movement. No increased risk at all?

Last time I checked everyone entering the UK had to show a passport.  What exactly are we going to do extra in your post brexit world?  Go back to visas for everyone? 

Britain is going to be a f--king brilliant place post brexit - no tourism, no investment, no free trade, NK looking quite attractive really.

Answering the question with a question is the sort of trick you'd expect from a Politician.

You've ignore the question about free movement of people and increased security risks.

You made me smile comparing UK to North Korea. Pretty ridiculous comment.

I'm sure plenty of countries around the world demonstrate that you don't have to be part of the EU to be a thriving, successful country.

lol "question with a question"

You are the one saying that we are suffering "increased security risks" with the current situation.  It is up to you to explain what arrangements will be put in place post brexit that will mitigate these security risks.  Obviously this must be a further layer of information gathering ie like the USA esta system.  That would clearly be an utter disaster for tourism trade and investment.