The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[DMorgan]

I did deploy the smiley Woodsey, unlike you to get defensive!

 

[MANTIS01]

tbf I'm surprised the chap in the video doesn't have a beard. He may be saying some smart stuff but all I can see is that disastrous shirt/jacket combo. Put that together with his monotone delivery, boring beige background & slouched forward slovenly body language and you have the typical academic. Where is your razzle dazzle man? Academics will say it's the content that matters but the message is more influential with dazzling deliver. Now if that's 'right'...and academics are so smart...why don't they get themselves to Topman before going on the telly??

Lot of elections won on emotion not intellect, this one in particular imo...

[nirvana]

Sunday Times and Sunday Telegraph in favour of leave as well as the SWP

http://leftunity.org/brexit-and-the-british-left/

Really an interesting divide this referendum creates versus normal party political stuff.

Found the QT sesh with Cameron largely uninspiring - increasingly certain that remain would do better if Cameron and Osborne didn't say another word - still no philosophy or engaging vision.

Cameron today made the case for losing 30-40 billion over an undefined timescale in an undefined way but because he claims all independent economist say this, it must be true.

He was prepared to lead us out and suffer this 30-40 billion loss if his 're-negotiations' hadn't turned out positively for Britain. I wish I'd been in the audience to ask him to enumerate the 30-40 billion benefits he'd achieved that made staying a better bet. It's one of the issues of trying to reduce the discussion to economics and numbers and the leave people have not really exploited this in the way they should have

[nirvana]

Thought Corbyn this morning came across well and gave a rational and reasoned explanation of why remaining made sense. Brutally honest too.

If the Tories hadn't spent so much time painting him as a nutter he could have been quite a reasoned and persuasive voice in this whole process

[neeko]

If brexit (auto correct still can't cope with this) how will a parliamentary majority happen to vote for section 50?

I can see the vote being out and then nothing done about it, (the result is only advisory to govt) it will cause chaos. I think There is bound to be a second vote at some point.

[Woodsey]

Fcks sake, just realised I'm in Ireland Thurs/Fri this week, looks like I will have to fly back and out again same evening if I want to vote 😭

[DMorgan]

If the size of a non-EU queue at immigration can't put you off then nothing will! Often looks like a pretty brutal wait

[TightEnd]

Spectator's live odds chart (zoomable, updated hourly) shows Brexit chances

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/brexit-odds-live-updates-on-percentage-chance-of-uk-leaving-the-eu/

[DaveShoelace]

Question

If one has been consuming information and arguments from both sides, with as open minded an approach as possible, and has come to the conclusion that they are still undecided, would the correct response be to A) Not vote B) Vote remain because you have not been persuaded to leave?

Try not to throw your own opinion either way on what Britain should do, just on whether not voting is the same as an expression of wishes to remain.

[TightEnd]

From LordAshcroft's final focus groups in St Austell and Bromley, south London

always a good read with some pearlers in

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/14736/

[redsimon]

Question

If one has been consuming information and arguments from both sides, with as open minded an approach as possible, and has come to the conclusion that they are still undecided, would the correct response be to A) Not vote B) Vote remain because you have not been persuaded to leave?

Try not to throw your own opinion either way on what Britain should do, just on whether not voting is the same as an expression of wishes to remain.

not vote because you haven't been swayed by remain seems logical.

[DMorgan]

The default position is Remain unless you're convinced otherwise right?

Brexit incurs a huge sunk cost in the millions and millions of pounds and work hours required to extricate ourselves from everything. Unless you take the opinion that Brexit will accrue the benefits required recover these costs then a vote to Leave is torching money.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Question

If one has been consuming information and arguments from both sides, with as open minded an approach as possible, and has come to the conclusion that they are still undecided, would the correct response be to A) Not vote B) Vote remain because you have not been persuaded to leave?

Try not to throw your own opinion either way on what Britain should do, just on whether not voting is the same as an expression of wishes to remain.

not vote because you haven't been swayed by remain seems logical.

Had this debate with Sophie (who is in this situation) last night and argued that the best option was to spoil a ballot paper, as that would at least be counted within turnout and would be her exercising a democratic right not to go with either side.

[DaveShoelace]

Question

If one has been consuming information and arguments from both sides, with as open minded an approach as possible, and has come to the conclusion that they are still undecided, would the correct response be to A) Not vote B) Vote remain because you have not been persuaded to leave?

Try not to throw your own opinion either way on what Britain should do, just on whether not voting is the same as an expression of wishes to remain.

not vote because you haven't been swayed by remain seems logical.

Had this debate with Sophie (who is in this situation) last night and argued that the best option was to spoil a ballot paper, as that would at least be counted within turnout and would be her exercising a democratic right not to go with either side.

I like that, so many ways to spoil it also, may have to start a poll to decide which

[david3103]

I guess all the superior smart people are voting to remain and all the thicko's are going for brexit then lol.

The stats are open to interpretation of course



From an esteemed outlet too

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/

Had a pretty decent education including a First in PPE from Oxford.

He was awarded a First in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and, after a six-month period as a news trainee at The Times, became a Fulbright Scholar at Harvard University where he was a Teaching Fellow in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. This was followed by a two-year period at Trinity College, Cambridge where he worked as a teaching assistant in the Social and Political Sciences Faculty and carried out research for a doctorate that he did not complete.[10] He is currently a Visiting Fellow at the University of Buckingham and a Commissioner of the UK Fulbright Commission.