The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[The Camel]

breaking down every MP's EU stance by constituency

http://bit.ly/28N9mdn 

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Why would so many have not declared an opinion?

I looked one of them up - obviously it's not always going to be the case, but it shows that some have a vaguely sensible reason for not stating their own beliefs.

...In order to help constituents, I have organised, and will be chairing, eight public debates which will be held across the constituency during June.  I believe that an MP should, in a referendum of this magnitude, be available to guide and inform.

To ensure that there is sufficient balance when I chair these public meetings and provide information, I will not be detailing my voting intentions beforehand or joining one side of the campaign or the other.

Not sure if that's just a cop out because they are in a marginal seat and don't want to upset enough people which might cost them re election

[MANTIS01]

Company is JCB

[arbboy]

If it is a LSE company it is not JCB as that is privately owned although the Bamford family who own JCB are big leave supporters.  Must be Spoons i would imagine.

[Doobs]

If it is a LSE company it is not JCB as that is privately owned.  Must be Spoons i would imagine.

I heard the Chairman of weatherspoon's the other day supporting brexit.   

[TightEnd]

No the company was tate and lyle

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36593528

[TightEnd]

a balanced piece i think

EU referendum: five questions to answer before you vote

Look at the facts about democracy, economics, immigration, security and sovereignty – even if you have made up your mind

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/eu-referendum-five-questions-to-answer-before-you-vote?CMP=share_btn_fb

[Pinchop73]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/something-strange-emerges-when-looking-behind-brexit-bookie-odds

[DMorgan]

<3 zerohedge

I think he missed something key here though when we look at the number of bets for each side. If we look at the social profiling data of remain and leave supporters, the leave supporters are much more likely to place a bet, so the percentage of leave voters that also want to place a bet on it is much larger than the percentage of remain voters that also want to place a bet.

[AndrewT]

Also, I am shocked to learn that the average size of bet on a 1/3 shot is far larger than that on something at 3/1.

[Doobs]

<3 zerohedge

I think he missed something key here though when we look at the number of bets for each side. If we look at the social profiling data of remain and leave supporters, the leave supporters are much more likely to place a bet, so the percentage of leave voters that also want to place a bet on it is much larger than the percentage of remain voters that also want to place a bet.

I don't think there is anything in it at all.  There will always be 3 times as much money on a 1/3 chance as the 3/1 chance in the same market.  It is just the way it works for a balanced market.   Somebody is always on the other side betting 3 times as much as you on the 3/1 chance, whether it is a bookie or somebody else on betfair.  

There is also a dark hint on market manipulation, but isn't it in remains interest to present the vote as close in order to get their vote out?  If remainers think it is a foregone conclusion they are less likely to vote.    

FWIW If you can get big bets on with ladbrokes it doesn't show that you are knowledgeable.  

[Karabiner]

Will Self nails it for me on Ch4News.

"Not all brexiters are racists, but all the racists will be voting for brexit".

[Longines]

Two letters from the campaigns today.

Remain has 1,200 businesses, 51 of them FTSE 100, arguing Remain.

Leave have 1.

no cheating now, what is the one leading UK business putting their name to leave? (quoted LSE company, not a Dyson)

i can give clues if needed

Tate & Lyle Sugars, the ones who want to leave, aren't a FTSE (100 or 250). Tate & Lyle PLC sold them to an American company in 2010. The Sugars appear to have a beef with the EU over beet vs cane subsidies.

[DaveShoelace]

Will Self nails it for me on Ch4News.

"Not all brexiters are racists, but all the racists will be voting for brexit".

I agree with what he says, but the fact that somebody you don't like is voting for something so you can't makes no sense to me. You wouldn't want Labour voters to not for Remain because Cameron is also voting that way. You could make the counter argument 'Not all Remain voters are ISIS supporters, but all ISIS supporters will be voting for Remain'.

I'm leaning towards Remain, but it irks me when people are allowing ad hominem attacks and false equivalences to guide their voting, vote for the THING you agree with (obviously vote for WHO you like/against who you don't like when it comes to normal elections).

[DungBeetle]

Will Self nails it for me on Ch4News.

"Not all brexiters are racists, but all the racists will be voting for brexit".

I agree with what he says, but the fact that somebody you don't like is voting for something so you can't makes no sense to me. You wouldn't want Labour voters to not for Remain because Cameron is also voting that way. You could make the counter argument 'Not all Remain voters are ISIS supporters, but all ISIS supporters will be voting for Remain'.

I'm leaning towards Remain, but it irks me when people are allowing ad hominem attacks and false equivalences to guide their voting, vote for the THING you agree with (obviously vote for WHO you like/against who you don't like when it comes to normal elections).

Agree.  I've settled on remain and am happy with my decision.  However I find the constant reference to racism about leave voters totally repellant. Not a day goes by without it cropping up in the media or across numerous forums.  I also don't like the drip drip suggestion that all leave voters are thick and uneducated.  We don't keep banging on about demographics about general elections so why do people delight in going on about it for this referendum?

[DaveShoelace]

Will Self nails it for me on Ch4News.

"Not all brexiters are racists, but all the racists will be voting for brexit".

I agree with what he says, but the fact that somebody you don't like is voting for something so you can't makes no sense to me. You wouldn't want Labour voters to not for Remain because Cameron is also voting that way. You could make the counter argument 'Not all Remain voters are ISIS supporters, but all ISIS supporters will be voting for Remain'.

I'm leaning towards Remain, but it irks me when people are allowing ad hominem attacks and false equivalences to guide their voting, vote for the THING you agree with (obviously vote for WHO you like/against who you don't like when it comes to normal elections).

Agree.  I've settled on remain and am happy with my decision.  However I find the constant reference to racism about leave voters totally repellant. Not a day goes by without it cropping up in the media or across numerous forums.  I also don't like the drip drip suggestion that all leave voters are thick and uneducated.  We don't keep banging on about demographics about general elections so why do people delight in going on about it for this referendum?

Yep, while I am sure the most intolerant people of all (the BNP sorts) are voting leave, among my mostly left leaning social circle there has been lots of snobbery and an amazing amount if intolerance towards differences of opinion.

The leavers have been louder in my experience, but the remainers have been nastier.