The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

What , if anything is most likely happen to our N.H.S ?

A staffing crisis?  Though we are already pretty much there.  Guess we will have to prioritise immigrants who can work in the NHS in the near future.

There is likely to be no new money given no change in Government.  

I don't think anybody is going to privatise it.

[rfgqqabc]

What , if anything is most likely happen to our N.H.S ?

A staffing crisis?  Though we are already pretty much there.  Guess we will have to prioritise immigrants who can work in the NHS in the near future.

There is likely to be no new money given no change in Government.  

I don't think anybody is going to privatise it.

In a while won't we be able to do this easier? We will presumably be able to make our own laws at some point.

[BigAdz]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

Possibly the most sensible post you've ever made, and that includes the ones on the PHA board

I'm stealing it for elsewhere.

How does this show we are open for business?  And how are we not treating people differently based on geography.  Previously we gave priority to Europeans, now it is just those from the UK.  It is just the same as before, just with a different region.

Anyway, may as well take advantage of the turmoil and buy some shares.

If a star striker leaves a football team when his contract expires how does that show he's open to sign for another team? That he's open to do business? Because it does.

We previously had agreements with lots of countries to do business, and now we don't.  We weren't just doing business with one country like your notional football player. 

This is the bit I never really got.

We previously had agreements to do business, now we do not.

Who is we? I have just completed a large machine sale deal with some Italian customers this very morning, so its not my company.

Is we, the Government and in which case what are they selling that individual businesses do not?

If currencies fluctuate, then yes, my business proposition may not be so easy, but it doesn't mean my products are suddenly less attractive. But this has always been so with us outside the Euro.

Please explain.

corporate sector and government

you might have still sold to the italians today, but would a 10% tariff upping the sale price have made a difference to the sale just to give one example?

there are potentially 55 seperate trade deals to do with EU countries. hugely complex task.

it might turn out fine, as people argue, but its a long time of uncertainty where consumer and corporate spending plans might be reduced, might go on hold etc etc

Understood. So this arbitary 10%, may not even happen? I appreciate, it COULD even be more, but the cost to deal may possibly end up not changing also? This is what I fear about all this scaremongering. It may not even happen.

[atdc21]

Hi Tighty , thanks for reply. I am interested in all this but really find it hard to take in all the things and implications involved.

[rfgqqabc]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

Possibly the most sensible post you've ever made, and that includes the ones on the PHA board

I'm stealing it for elsewhere.

How does this show we are open for business?  And how are we not treating people differently based on geography.  Previously we gave priority to Europeans, now it is just those from the UK.  It is just the same as before, just with a different region.

Anyway, may as well take advantage of the turmoil and buy some shares.

If a star striker leaves a football team when his contract expires how does that show he's open to sign for another team? That he's open to do business? Because it does.

We previously had agreements with lots of countries to do business, and now we don't.  We weren't just doing business with one country like your notional football player. 

This is the bit I never really got.

We previously had agreements to do business, now we do not.

Who is we? I have just completed a large machine sale deal with some Italian customers this very morning, so its not my company.

Is we, the Government and in which case what are they selling that individual businesses do not?

If currencies fluctuate, then yes, my business proposition may not be so easy, but it doesn't mean my products are suddenly less attractive. But this has always been so with us outside the Euro.

Please explain.

corporate sector and government

you might have still sold to the italians today, but would a 10% tariff upping the sale price have made a difference to the sale just to give one example?

there are potentially 55 seperate trade deals to do with EU countries. hugely complex task.

it might turn out fine, as people argue, but its a long time of uncertainty where consumer and corporate spending plans might be reduced, might go on hold etc etc

Understood. So this arbitary 10%, may not even happen? I appreciate, it COULD even be more, but the cost to deal may possibly end up not changing also? This is what I fear about all this scaremongering. It may not even happen.

You will probably have two lots of red tape for a deal into the EU. Maybe not an issue for a couple of years though.

[MANTIS01]

I'm pretty confident in British business. If a 10% tariff is applied I believe we have the ingenuity to uncover 10% worth of efficiency savings, particularly now we are free from efficiency sapping bureaucracy.

[Woodsey]

What , if anything is most likely happen to our N.H.S ?

A staffing crisis?  Though we are already pretty much there.  Guess we will have to prioritise immigrants who can work in the NHS in the near future.

There is likely to be no new money given no change in Government.  

I don't think anybody is going to privatise it.

Doubt there would be a staffing crisis, most of the key immigrant workers come from outside the EU, this is the immigration thats at the top of our list.

[BigAdz]

The seemingly low opinion from people about our country is staggering. We are one of the most multi-cultural, diverse and tolerant countries in the world...yet we are 'racist'. We have just turned around to the whole world and stated we are open for business...yet we are 'inward looking'. We have just shown we believe in equality for all people...not just people from certain geographic areas. We have embraced every vote and counted all votes equally...yet people suggest when you reach a certain age your input shouldn't matter. Some hideous ideas and comments about Britain really, just the sort of attitude that will hold us back as we try and move forward.

Possibly the most sensible post you've ever made, and that includes the ones on the PHA board

I'm stealing it for elsewhere.

How does this show we are open for business?  And how are we not treating people differently based on geography.  Previously we gave priority to Europeans, now it is just those from the UK.  It is just the same as before, just with a different region.

Anyway, may as well take advantage of the turmoil and buy some shares.

If a star striker leaves a football team when his contract expires how does that show he's open to sign for another team? That he's open to do business? Because it does.

We previously had agreements with lots of countries to do business, and now we don't.  We weren't just doing business with one country like your notional football player. 

This is the bit I never really got.

We previously had agreements to do business, now we do not.

Who is we? I have just completed a large machine sale deal with some Italian customers this very morning, so its not my company.

Is we, the Government and in which case what are they selling that individual businesses do not?

If currencies fluctuate, then yes, my business proposition may not be so easy, but it doesn't mean my products are suddenly less attractive. But this has always been so with us outside the Euro.

Please explain.

corporate sector and government

you might have still sold to the italians today, but would a 10% tariff upping the sale price have made a difference to the sale just to give one example?

there are potentially 55 seperate trade deals to do with EU countries. hugely complex task.

it might turn out fine, as people argue, but its a long time of uncertainty where consumer and corporate spending plans might be reduced, might go on hold etc etc

Understood. So this arbitary 10%, may not even happen? I appreciate, it COULD even be more, but the cost to deal may possibly end up not changing also? This is what I fear about all this scaremongering. It may not even happen.

You will probably have two lots of red tape for a deal into the EU. Maybe not an issue for a couple of years though.

Agreed.

The only real fear we had was an increase in the paperwork for all our Euro parts sales, but that was about all.

[TightEnd]

Hi Tighty , thanks for reply. I am interested in all this but really find it hard to take in all the things and implications involved.

how about thinking about it like this

once we have a new PM we have two years to negotiate a divorce settlement with the Mum. We're the bloke and we've done the dirty. The Mum is angry with us and has lots of lawyers. so do we, but its going to be a headache.

Once we have done all the divorce compromises we then have to agree seperate access rights for each of fifty five children to get face to face with them and try to get them to spend some of their pocket money when with us

by the time we do that they'll be grown up and may be seeing other people and not so interested in Dad. The other people could be Indian, Chinese or South American. They are younger and faster than we are

it'll all be alright in the end though

[DaveShoelace]

Hi Tighty , thanks for reply. I am interested in all this but really find it hard to take in all the things and implications involved.

how about thinking about it like this

once we have a new PM we have two years to negotiate a divorce settlement with the Mum. We're the bloke and we've done the dirty. The Mum is angry with us and has lots of lawyers. so do we, but its going to be a headache.

Once we have done all the divorce compromises we then have to agree seperate access rights for each of fifty five children to get face to face with them and try to get them to spend some of their pocket money when with us

by the time we do that they'll be grown up and may be seeing other people and not so interested in Dad. The other people could be Indian, Chinese or South American. They are younger and faster than we are

it'll all be alright in the end though

Sounds like Dad better get blowing his money on hookers and blow before Mum can get her hands on it then

[DaveShoelace]

Terrible timing but does anyone else think Samantha Cameron is quite tasty?

[TightEnd]

I'm pretty confident in British business. If a 10% tariff is applied I believe we have the ingenuity to uncover 10% worth of efficiency savings, particularly now we are free from efficiency sapping bureaucracy.

and the efficiency savings aren't partly job losses?

prices either have to go up by the amount of the tariff or margins have to fall or a combination of the two

if you are selling at great than a 10% net margin and can absorb it great but if you are a plc investors are getting lower returns and if you are a private co your dividend/value might be lower

but of course, there are 5-6 different trade models, so we are all guessing what we want and what they want, i accept

[StuartHopkin]

I'm pretty confident in British business. If a 10% tariff is applied I believe we have the ingenuity to uncover 10% worth of efficiency savings, particularly now we are free from efficiency sapping bureaucracy.

Are you joking here?

I very much doubt there will be any tariffs or additional red tape but the idea that everyone could just suck it in 10% if they needed to is bizarre!

[Doobs]

I'm pretty confident in British business. If a 10% tariff is applied I believe we have the ingenuity to uncover 10% worth of efficiency savings, particularly now we are free from efficiency sapping bureaucracy.

We haven't removed any bureaucracy.  Our laws will be unchanged in the near future and if we deal with Europe we will have to still deal with their bureaucracy?  

[TightEnd]

motion of no confidence submitted on Corbyn. PLP votes on it on tuesday, secret ballot