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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #7155 on: January 19, 2017, 10:05:55 PM »

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I can hardly wait for the Newsnight episode when the cameras go to Sunderland to ask the brexit voters what they think about losing paid holidays, or their missus getting only 4 weeks paid maternity leave.

"It's not fair. I would never have voted to leave the EU if I'd known it meant I wouldn't get any paid leave any more"

Leaving the eu and losing paid holidays if it happened are obviously unrelated. Yr so tabloid with these things

Of course they aren't. The boggle eyed Libertarians who are now in charge will slash workers rights and enviromental standards now there isn't a EU safeguard for these things.

I am surprised you are so naive.

Er.. the same people are in charge as before the referendum. If the Tories go on to slash workers rights (whatever that means) or reduce environmental standards it will be a Tory thing. I'm not naive enough to believe it couldn't happen but I think it is unlikely to.

Anyway, now we've taken back control we can kick out the Tories if they misbehave - that's the way it works now we're a democracy again. We couldn't do that we when we were in the EU

They have no madate to do these things. They were not in the manifesto.

Legally they couldn't do them while we were in the EU. Once we've left, they can do what they want, mandate or no mandate.
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« Reply #7156 on: January 19, 2017, 10:19:25 PM »

'Corbyn to order Labour MPs to vote for article 50 trigger'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/19/corbyn-to-impose-three-line-whip-on-labour-mps-to-trigger-article-50?CMP=fb_gu
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« Reply #7157 on: January 19, 2017, 10:34:35 PM »

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I can hardly wait for the Newsnight episode when the cameras go to Sunderland to ask the brexit voters what they think about losing paid holidays, or their missus getting only 4 weeks paid maternity leave.

"It's not fair. I would never have voted to leave the EU if I'd known it meant I wouldn't get any paid leave any more"

Leaving the eu and losing paid holidays if it happened are obviously unrelated. Yr so tabloid with these things

Of course they aren't. The boggle eyed Libertarians who are now in charge will slash workers rights and enviromental standards now there isn't a EU safeguard for these things.

I am surprised you are so naive.

Er.. the same people are in charge as before the referendum. If the Tories go on to slash workers rights (whatever that means) or reduce environmental standards it will be a Tory thing. I'm not naive enough to believe it couldn't happen but I think it is unlikely to.

Anyway, now we've taken back control we can kick out the Tories if they misbehave - that's the way it works now we're a democracy again. We couldn't do that we when we were in the EU

They have no madate to do these things. They were not in the manifesto.

Legally they couldn't do them while we were in the EU. Once we've left, they can do what they want, mandate or no mandate.

Here's Leadsom promising to do to farming and the environment what Fox proposed doing to the workforce

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/04/andrea-leadsom-vows-to-scrap-eu-red-tape-for-farmers-after-brexit
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« Reply #7158 on: January 20, 2017, 10:01:27 AM »

So Martin McGuinness is stepping down.

Few politicians have as much impact on the future of their country.

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« Reply #7159 on: January 20, 2017, 11:05:46 AM »

Theresa May 'to call snap election' if parliament blocks Brexit http://bit.ly/2izYx5O
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« Reply #7160 on: January 20, 2017, 11:06:26 AM »

Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 43 (+3)
LAB 31 (+2)
LD 11 (-3)
UKIP 6 (-3)

N~1,000
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« Reply #7161 on: January 20, 2017, 11:06:52 AM »

Brits back PM's Brexit plan but are dubious of success, poll says - http://bit.ly/2iMhIUZ
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« Reply #7162 on: January 20, 2017, 11:08:00 AM »

"This will be the moment the Labour party breaks in two and slips beneath the waves."

written after Corbyn put the three line whip on voting for Brexit, but before he rowed back when he faced a backlash

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-order-labour-mps-9653071
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« Reply #7163 on: January 20, 2017, 11:08:55 AM »

Jeremy Corbyn hates being whipped. So how will his Article 50 three-line whip go down,

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/irony-corbyns-three-line-whip/
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« Reply #7164 on: January 20, 2017, 11:10:03 AM »

Labour's quiet crisis in its heartlands

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/in-labours-old-heartlands-mps-are-staring-into-the-abyss/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm
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« Reply #7165 on: January 20, 2017, 11:10:38 AM »

Architect of Article 50 warns of 'very nasty' Brexit divorce bill talks - http://bit.ly/2iLYBdK
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« Reply #7166 on: January 21, 2017, 11:30:43 AM »

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'Jeremy Corbyn has goaded Nicola Sturgeon into an attack on his leadership of the Labour party after he claimed Scotland could not afford to become independent'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/scotland-cannot-afford-to-become-independent-says-jeremy-corbyn?CMP=fb_gu
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« Reply #7167 on: January 21, 2017, 07:54:02 PM »

Copeland and stoke by elections on feb 23

"The Leader's office stitch up in Copeland backfired. Local choice @Gillianformp is now Labour's standard bearer"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/jeremy-corbyns-shambolic-power-grab-copeland-would-put-new-labour/

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jeremy Corbyn is set to become the first official opposition leader to lose a by-election to the Government in 35 years, according to the Labour Party’s own canvass returns.

The Telegraph understands internal analysis of more than 10,000 conversations with voters in Copeland, the Cumbrian constituency, shows Labour’s support down by a third since 2015.

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« Reply #7168 on: January 23, 2017, 12:43:38 PM »

ICM/Guardian:

CON lead up to 16 (+2)

CON 42 (-)
LAB 26 (-2)
UKIP 13 (+1)
LD 10 (+1)
GREEN 5 (+1)

Online poll of 2,052 adults, 20-22 Jan
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« Reply #7169 on: January 24, 2017, 10:44:21 AM »

UK Supreme Curt rules 8-3 that Govt cannot invoke A50 without Parliament permission

it will go through Parliament of course, but thats the ruling
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