The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

It’s Schrodinger's Brexit, isn’t it? Hotel California etc etc

We can’t leave and we can’t not leave.

[nirvana]

It’s Schrodinger's Brexit, isn’t it? Hotel California etc etc

We can’t leave and we can’t not leave.

Getting more confident that after 2 years of being lied to and manipulated that it won't be beyond politicians to find a way to not leave. If we end up with a ludicrous Norway option I'll be totes mad at them. More so than if it's overturned which is what is desired by the majority of MPs

[Doobs]

Government becomes the first in history to be found in contempt of Parliament for not publishing Brexit deal's full legal advice -

loses knife edge vote by 311 v 293.

Interestingly the BBC counted the DUP as an opposition party in its report.

[TightEnd]

Theresa May faces:

- an EU who says this deal or no deal;
- hard Brexiteers who say not thid deal but no deal;
- parliamentary majorities against both the deal and no deal

How does she get all three to the other side of the river, without sinking?

[DMorgan]

Whats to stop TM bringing forward legislation that we revoke A50 and trigger it again on a set date ~1 year from now? How could Labour oppose it?

TM would have to admit that her strategy has been a lolfail but she's maybe dutiful enough to the country to pull the plug on all this nonsense

[horseplayer]

https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1069718318125379586

[nirvana]

Theresa May faces:

- an EU who says this deal or no deal;
- hard Brexiteers who say not thid deal but no deal;
- parliamentary majorities against both the deal and no deal

How does she get all three to the other side of the river, without sinking?

1, is unlikely to yield as they are working in co-operation with the people in 3
2, will not yield because they are mad or principled (delete to suit your own prejudice)
3, will kick it down the road or stop it to rescue us from this crisis (Are you 'avin a laff, is he 'avin a laff' ?)

[Cf]

There’s not very many of them there is there?

[Woodsey]

At this point If it was just me I’d say fuck off no deal please, nobody pushes me around, I would literally rather starve.....

Unfortunately there is 65 mill people to consider  

[PokerBroker]

#StrongandStable

[Woodsey]

#StrongandStable

Chaotic and pissweak 

[BigAdz]

After hearing the EU judges rule we can just pull out of this shambles and go back to "as we were" status, I would happily take this.

From what I hear on my travels, there are other countries not far off following us down this road. Hopefully they can learn from the fuck up we have made of the whole situation.

We can in turn learn from them

By accepting this, the arguement for leaving still stands at a later date.........we just need someone in charge who knows what they are doing, and is totally committed to the process.

[MANTIS01]

Yep, would be interesting if several countries voted to leave in the future. Just France & Germany left saying they won't "compromise the principles of the union"

Personally I don't dig compromising the principles of freedom. So I agree with Woodsey and my preference is no deal even though the wizards will be incredulous.

A school kid is forced to pay half his dinner money to a gang of older boys every day. One day he stands up to the bullies and refuses to comply so they bash him up whilst threatening terrible things will happen in the future. He now has two choices...

a) Go back to paying the bullies
b) Spend more than he's paying the bullies to get the bus and not deal with them

What 'principles' are important in these situations? Cos bending the knee to Brussels isn't one of mine. 

[RED-DOG]

I thought Cos was in Thailand. I hear he has very bendy knees though.

[Doobs]

Yep, would be interesting if several countries voted to leave in the future. Just France & Germany left saying they won't "compromise the principles of the union"

Personally I don't dig compromising the principles of freedom. So I agree with Woodsey and my preference is no deal even though the wizards will be incredulous.

A school kid is forced to pay half his dinner money to a gang of older boys every day. One day he stands up to the bullies and refuses to comply so they bash him up whilst threatening terrible things will happen in the future. He now has two choices...

a) Go back to paying the bullies
b) Spend more than he's paying the bullies to get the bus and not deal with them

What 'principles' are important in these situations? Cos bending the knee to Brussels isn't one of mine. 

The "bullies" are the net beneficiaries including Sunderland, and the "victims" are the net contributors such as the City of London?  I don't think it as simple as us just paying the salary of Euro fatcats like Junkers and Farage.

We don't even need to beg, we can just revoke article 50.