The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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quote of the day, shared without comment, is from Boris Johnson:

“We may be 1-0 down at this stage of the negotiation with the EU but we can still win 2-0.”

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A near 50-50 call as of yesterday

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Yep, would be interesting if several countries voted to leave in the future. Just France & Germany left saying they won't "compromise the principles of the union"

Personally I don't dig compromising the principles of freedom. So I agree with Woodsey and my preference is no deal even though the wizards will be incredulous.

A school kid is forced to pay half his dinner money to a gang of older boys every day. One day he stands up to the bullies and refuses to comply so they bash him up whilst threatening terrible things will happen in the future. He now has two choices...

a) Go back to paying the bullies
b) Spend more than he's paying the bullies to get the bus and not deal with them

What 'principles' are important in these situations? Cos bending the knee to Brussels isn't one of mine. 

but we get huge benefits from pooling sovereignty unlike the bullies who offer the bullied no benefits

If you want the UK to stop pooling sovereignty entirely, we'll have to scrap all 14000 treaties we've signed since 1834 -700 of which have arbitration mechanisms for determining disputes over interpretation like the ECJ.

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Exquisite end to William Hague column in the Telegraph, after enumerating the reasons why the Brexiteers won't get the clean-break Brexit some seek. (And why the Dec 11 vote may be closer than is thought. This penny surely has to drop).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/03/sorry-brexiteers-parliament-doesnt-want-no-deal-mps-will-kill/

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a lobby correspondent writes

" One Brexiteer minister was privately denouncing some of his Brexiteer backbench colleagues.'They are going to f-k Brexit' he opined He believes their 'purist' stance will a) see them vote down the PM's deal b) open the door to a watered down brexit or referendum afterwards"

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The bullies offer the school boy “protection”

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The best Brexit explanation to date in the timesredbox

"One side wanted roast beef, the other spotted dick. So she served up cottage pie and custard and can't believe no one will swallow it."

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British public confirmed as only supporting the one option that is definitely not possible in a poll today!

Oppose May's deal: 42-26
Oppose No Deal: 41-34
Oppose remaining in EU: 45-44
Oppose 2nd referendum: 50-40
Oppose extending leave date: 46-34
Support renegotiating with EU if May deal fails: 45-25

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I always thought the deal part was the end of the negotiations. If someone made a deal with you and then decided they wanted to re negotiate, you would tell them to fuck off. (Well I would)

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UK trade minister Liam Fox says there is a real danger that parliament will try to steal Brexit from the people

(unsaid: politician who asked for parliamentary sovereignty for Christmas doesn’t want it anymore when he unwraps it)

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The Withdrawal Deal legal advice v v soon - its going to be highly significant

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here we go

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pages 3 and 4

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pages 5 and 6

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Document makes clear NI would be ‘in EU single market for goods and EU customs regime’ and GB ‘essentially treated as third country’ by NI

legal advice appears to be brutally unvarnished description of something we already knew. Politically toxic for PM because it gives anti-deal side quotable quotes on hatefulness (as they see it) of backstop.

point 30 is an example of that Backstop will be indefinite, "unless and until" superseded by a suitable alternative. a line to irk Brexiteers: UK could be trying to negotiate an exit from the backstop many, many years from now.

so if the deal is approved, we are in a backstop unless or until we get a trade deal

it obviously won't pass the commons, no majority for it

then the fun and games starts