The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

If we’re talking the (thankfully rare atm) drunken rants, I exhibit poor judgement in those but not anger. The rest of the time I’m very relaxed about it. I think an important element is understanding just how lowly I rate the views of yourself (Woodsey) and Mantis. It’s hard to be angry about something I believe has close to no value.

As I’ve said and I’ll keep saying. If people believe what he writes, I do think it’s dangerous for Mantis to claim great knowledge while displaying such staggering ignorance. Let’s just read today’s contribution again.

Likewise, and doubly so when you start getting all sanctimonious about it. You must be gutted you’re not getting the kind of politics you want? 

[MANTIS01]

The most valuable commodity we have in life is time

Unlike little cuckoo I don’t invest significant amounts of time chasing certain members around the forum responding to posts that I regard as valueless. Especially indulging in weird anger-less rants, whatever they are.

[TightEnd]

the Government has significantly revised up its worst case scenario on No Deal disruption at UK borders - to 6 months of chaos, rather than 6 weeks. Letters going out to ‘stakeholders’ today. no doubt they will be posted in the next few days on various newspaper sites

[TightEnd]

Corbyn in The Guardian:

it's a joke that these incoherent delusions should be presented as a serious policy.

cakeism of the highest order: Corbyn wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. Leaving comes with costs. One of which is you don't get the benefits you get of being in it (plus of course any upsides you perceive.)

My brain hurts

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/jeremy-corbyn-general-election-brexit-labour-th

[TightEnd]

A leading Tory Brexiteer says UK should threaten Ireland with food shortages to get it to capitulate on the Backstop.

Someone will be needing the history books out over in Whitehall.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3d9d4f44-f9ad-11e8-83e5-4dc2d31f2a89

[TightEnd]

the Government has significantly revised up its worst case scenario on No Deal disruption at UK borders - to 6 months of chaos, rather than 6 weeks. Letters going out to ‘stakeholders’ today. no doubt they will be posted in the next few days on various newspaper sites

sent to pharma companies

[Doobs]

Corbyn in The Guardian:

it's a joke that these incoherent delusions should be presented as a serious policy.

cakeism of the highest order: Corbyn wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. Leaving comes with costs. One of which is you don't get the benefits you get of being in it (plus of course any upsides you perceive.)

My brain hurts

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/06/jeremy-corbyn-general-election-brexit-labour-th

Marina Hyde gives a balanced view on Corbyn's Brexit "policy" and Priti Patel's potato famine strategy. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/brexit-soap-opera-jacob-rees-mogg-nigel-farage

[Omm]

What the hell would parliament be doing or the government focusing on if we had voted remain? Or are they still doing it and it’s just not covered in the news?

[TightEnd]

Typical politicians, always promising jams tomorrow.

[TightEnd]

Theresa May’s government has told supermarkets to keep as much stock as possible in warehouses around the country in case the U.K. crashes out of the EU

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-07/u-k-tells-supermarkets-to-maximize-stockpiles-before-brexit

[TightEnd]

Germany’s Brexpert in Brussels foreshadows the EU’s response at next week’s summit if MPs vote down the Brexit agreement - ramp up no deal planning and ask the UK for its next steps forward. There will be no magical renegotiation and Brussels won’t put forward its own Plan B.

[TightEnd]

I don't think this part was even foreshadowed by Project fear, but here it is

EXCLUSIVE: Ministers will have the power to overrule doctors’ prescriptions in case medicines run out after Brexit. Urgent government consultation launched on Tuesday, leaked to The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ab72c6f0-f9af-11e8-83e5-4dc2d31f2a89

[TightEnd]

David Green of the FT

"Every concern expressed by a politician about the backstop is an implicit admission by that politician that they are not confident that there can be a UK/EU deal even by 2022.

Think about it.

This is the real significance of the issue.

The real issue is whether there can be a relationship agreement in place by 2022.

If not, that may well be a good enough reason for Brexit to be delayed/cancelled.

The Irish backstop issue is, in part, a proxy for that issue."

[TightEnd]

Mark Harper makes explicit what many Tory MPs are saying - may “has to go back to Brussels” to demand backstop comes “out of the deal” to eliminate wedge between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland. “She should listen to Conservative colleagues”.


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May tried for 10 months to shift the EU on the backstop. What do Harper & others suggest if it can't be shifted?

[TightEnd]

What the hell would parliament be doing or the government focusing on if we had voted remain? Or are they still doing it and it’s just not covered in the news?

they are doing less as resources have been diverted across government and the civil service to plan for deal/no deal

plus money put aside for that planning

it may of course be a good thing that they have been doing less