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« Reply #17430 on: May 26, 2019, 11:15:38 AM »

another absolutely excellent article

"The right can't bear to tell the truth about Brexit to itself - let alone anyone else.  on the brain death of Conservative England"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/25/the-tories-have-abandoned-thought-in-favour-of-believing-their-own-lies
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« Reply #17431 on: May 26, 2019, 11:16:32 AM »

David Gauke: not running.

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debate on Brexit is too much "wishful thinking" & inability to face facts on damage of no deal, limits of renegotiation & politics of parliament or new GE.

Undecided who to back: this is coded broadside at Boris + Raab

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/25/next-pm-confront-hard-realities-brexit
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« Reply #17432 on: May 26, 2019, 11:20:41 AM »

for the record

none of the above is presented as propaganda, brainwashing or one sided nor me trying to steamroller anyone

Its what i have seen and bookmarked over the last couple of days that i find interesting,amusing or enlightening

there is some good journalism around. There are not, three years on, many articles on the Leave side but it is what it is. Experts and the meeja innit.

All of it adds to a thread that has been running for four tumultous years (and it ain't finished yet) over 1163 pages and 713k views


Anyone is free to put up their own finds, disagree with the articles or quotes or whatever.

Peace.
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« Reply #17433 on: May 26, 2019, 11:26:45 AM »

I "flounced off" because my daughter had a cancer operation and it took up all of my time and attention

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread

I knew something was wrong Rich but I didn't know it was this.

It's a terrible situation to be in, we've been there and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I hope things are going OK.


Indeed.

Sincerest apologies for my original post. I was also unaware of this.

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« Reply #17434 on: May 26, 2019, 11:27:56 AM »

Tighty (and anyone else),

What should Raab's strategy be to beat Boris?
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« Reply #17435 on: May 26, 2019, 11:32:21 AM »

You are in fine form this morning Tighty.

I'm not really up to speed on Politics, but I find it all so fascinating. Hope you don't mind, but I nick bits & pieces of it & put it up Next Door from time to time, just to oil the wheels of debate. Sadly, they tend to argue more than debate which frustrates me to bits.

We have two opposing Brexit threads Next Door (Remain & Leave, basically) & they get really hot at times I'm afraid. We have our own versions of Tighty, Woodsey, Adzy, Timothy vanWinkle, even nirvana there.
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« Reply #17436 on: May 26, 2019, 11:56:46 AM »

Tighty (and anyone else),

What should Raab's strategy be to beat Boris?

Appeal more to all divides of the party in the commons. Has to get into the final 2 and how does he knock Boris out of that?

Hint more strongly that he would rule out no deal possibly, for expediency, then backtrack when it comes to the membershio hustings

Boris of course made a tactical error in Switzerland by going early on a firm commitment which he might not be able to acheive

Tory Remain MPs can say "if you don't rule out no deal we are going to support a vote of no confidence as soon as you take office"

that might be a bluff, but depends on Boris being emollient, of which there are no current signs
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« Reply #17437 on: May 26, 2019, 12:07:01 PM »

for the record

none of the above is presented as propaganda, brainwashing or one sided nor me trying to steamroller anyone

Its what i have seen and bookmarked over the last couple of days that i find interesting,amusing or enlightening

there is some good journalism around. There are not, three years on, many articles on the Leave side but it is what it is. Experts and the meeja innit.

All of it adds to a thread that has been running for four tumultous years (and it ain't finished yet) over 1163 pages and 713k views


Anyone is free to put up their own finds, disagree with the articles or quotes or whatever.

Peace.

Agree with the old man , love my politics and you give us lots to delve in to.

Thanks very much for your contributions .
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« Reply #17438 on: May 26, 2019, 12:34:34 PM »

Tighty (and anyone else),

What should Raab's strategy be to beat Boris?

Appeal more to all divides of the party in the commons. Has to get into the final 2 and how does he knock Boris out of that?

Hint more strongly that he would rule out no deal possibly, for expediency, then backtrack when it comes to the membershio hustings

Boris of course made a tactical error in Switzerland by going early on a firm commitment which he might not be able to acheive

Tory Remain MPs can say "if you don't rule out no deal we are going to support a vote of no confidence as soon as you take office"

that might be a bluff, but depends on Boris being emollient, of which there are no current signs

His Marr appearance this morning was interesting:

- have to keep No Deal on the table for negotiations because no reason for EU to depart from WA otherwise. (Appeals to those right of May)
- tax plan to take a penny off bottom rate of income tax for each of five years, so goes down to 15p in the pound. (Tories love tax cuts and clearly benefits final salary pensioners)
- whitehall review to cut public sector personnel. (Traditional anti-"QUANGO"/beauracrat message; small government)
- ended the interview quoting Ronald Reagan (!)

Rare to see policy being discussed in the early stages of a contest. Usually just concepts. This seems deliberate: stay as close to Boris politically but depart on some key points (ie, talk more about policy and look to turn away from overt patriotic generalists (the "they need us more than we need them" stuff)).

Will be fascinating to see if he can win over enough Tory Remainers, as you say.
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« Reply #17439 on: May 26, 2019, 12:35:39 PM »

You are in fine form this morning Tighty.

I'm not really up to speed on Politics, but I find it all so fascinating. Hope you don't mind, but I nick bits & pieces of it & put it up Next Door from time to time, just to oil the wheels of debate. Sadly, they tend to argue more than debate which frustrates me to bits.

We have two opposing Brexit threads Next Door (Remain & Leave, basically) & they get really hot at times I'm afraid. We have our own versions of Tighty, Woodsey, Adzy, Timothy vanWinkle, even nirvana there.


There isn't another Red Dog. Read it and weep guys.
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« Reply #17440 on: May 26, 2019, 12:37:35 PM »

That's today's political reading sorted Tighty. TYVM.
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« Reply #17441 on: May 26, 2019, 01:08:26 PM »

Conceptually. It's quite crazy to think the tory membership of 100k or so gets to decide if we end up with a no deal Premier to lead us to the promised land
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« Reply #17442 on: May 26, 2019, 01:14:52 PM »

Conceptually. It's quite crazy to think the tory membership of 100k or so gets to decide if we end up with a no deal Premier to lead us to the promised land

0.27% of the population

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« Reply #17443 on: May 26, 2019, 01:27:26 PM »

Philip Hammond warns Tory leadership hopefuls they will not 'survive' a no-deal Brexit

just not as simple as the leavers think to get a no deal PM and sail to October IF you are prepared to accept remain MPs on the government benches would bring it all down rather than accept no deal. That's the impact of losing a parliamentary majority

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/104157/philip-hammond-warns-tory
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« Reply #17444 on: May 26, 2019, 01:32:37 PM »

right back for the election results tomorrow

who wants to guess the Brexit Party vote share?

closest wins a banana


i will start,37%
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