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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 56

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« Reply #17475 on: May 26, 2019, 10:02:01 PM »

If you use language, imagery and rhetoric in your campaigning which is designed to appeal to the racist element in society then it's a bit rich to start clutching your pearls when you get accused of being racist.
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« Reply #17476 on: May 26, 2019, 10:02:46 PM »

I don't think the poster on it's own is racist in the same way I don't think a monkey dressed as a human is racist. Set in the context it was set in, I think the undertones are intentional.

FWIW I doubt Nigel Farage is actually racist himself, just smart and knows what his base wants to here and what plays well in the media.
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« Reply #17477 on: May 26, 2019, 10:09:43 PM »



As someone wanting to control immigration I don't see that this is racist. Is that all you see? If so is it just because no one is white?

He used a picture of Syrian refugees knowing full well that they had no rights to come into the UK and it's not relevant. There is a reason they are not white, the picture is a symbol of the people that scare the exact demographic he wanted to influence.

I am pro controlling immigration but this was calculated to feed into the "swarm" and "plague" narrative that was in the press a lot at the time.


To me it reminds me that I can't get an appointment at the doctors like I used to , or there will be more people probably expecting me to tolerate their way of life, rather than integrate into ours.

I have no doubt some will lap up your proposed narrative, but very few are that simple, just good people that care about themselves and their family and how this will all affect their futures.
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« Reply #17478 on: May 26, 2019, 10:10:10 PM »

Do show me something Farage has done that’s racist! Sure, some of his tactics have been a little unpalatable but I wouldn’t go further than perhaps call it ‘extreme patriotism’.

See how he ditched UKIP when they allowed an actual racist (Yaxley-Lennon) into the fold? And didn’t he have a German wife? Or do you think he’s just racist to browns?

I hope you dont think everyone who votes for the brexit party is racist...

Farage holds the same views now, as he did when he was in UKIP. As the saying goes, not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, but all the racists voted Brexit.


I really would like to see how brave a keyboard warrior like you would be in a room full of Brexiteers.

I suppose racists don’t like to be labelled racists. But of course Adz, your response doesn’t surprise me. You’re inciting violence, typical Brexit yob.
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« Reply #17479 on: May 26, 2019, 10:12:44 PM »

I don't think the poster on it's own is racist in the same way I don't think a monkey dressed as a human is racist. Set in the context it was set in, I think the undertones are intentional.

FWIW I doubt Nigel Farage is actually racist himself, just smart and knows what his base wants to here and what plays well in the media.

I doubt Farage is a racist as some people all hope. One of his closest allies is a guy called Raheem Kassam. Not the bestie you would imagine for a racist eh....
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« Reply #17480 on: May 26, 2019, 10:14:21 PM »

Do show me something Farage has done that’s racist! Sure, some of his tactics have been a little unpalatable but I wouldn’t go further than perhaps call it ‘extreme patriotism’.

See how he ditched UKIP when they allowed an actual racist (Yaxley-Lennon) into the fold? And didn’t he have a German wife? Or do you think he’s just racist to browns?

I hope you dont think everyone who votes for the brexit party is racist...

Farage holds the same views now, as he did when he was in UKIP. As the saying goes, not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, but all the racists voted Brexit.


I really would like to see how brave a keyboard warrior like you would be in a room full of Brexiteers.

I suppose racists don’t like to be labelled racists. But of course Adz, your response doesn’t surprise me. You’re inciting violence, typical Brexit yob.

You can call me a racist all you like Aaron. My mate Chris, who I played golf with today and a black guy, might disagree, but you know me so much better.
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« Reply #17481 on: May 26, 2019, 10:15:49 PM »

Do show me something Farage has done that’s racist! Sure, some of his tactics have been a little unpalatable but I wouldn’t go further than perhaps call it ‘extreme patriotism’.

See how he ditched UKIP when they allowed an actual racist (Yaxley-Lennon) into the fold? And didn’t he have a German wife? Or do you think he’s just racist to browns?

I hope you dont think everyone who votes for the brexit party is racist...

Farage holds the same views now, as he did when he was in UKIP. As the saying goes, not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, but all the racists voted Brexit.


I really would like to see how brave a keyboard warrior like you would be in a room full of Brexiteers.

I suppose racists don’t like to be labelled racists. But of course Adz, your response doesn’t surprise me. You’re inciting violence, typical Brexit yob.

You can call me a racist all you like Aaron. My mate Chris, who I played golf with today and a black guy, might disagree, but you know me so much better.

I didn’t call you racist.
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« Reply #17482 on: May 26, 2019, 10:17:00 PM »

Regarding doctors appointments, I would suggest the shortage of doctors/GPS in this country has much more to do with it than ‘new’/recent immigration. Most immigrants are of working age so rarely need appointments. I’m not pointing fingers but I would guess you’re average pensioner has 5x the number of GPs appointments per year than the middle age or young economic migrants.
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« Reply #17483 on: May 26, 2019, 10:19:50 PM »



As someone wanting to control immigration I don't see that this is racist. Is that all you see? If so is it just because no one is white?

He used a picture of Syrian refugees knowing full well that they had no rights to come into the UK and it's not relevant. There is a reason they are not white, the picture is a symbol of the people that scare the exact demographic he wanted to influence.

I am pro controlling immigration but this was calculated to feed into the "swarm" and "plague" narrative that was in the press a lot at the time.


To me it reminds me that I can't get an appointment at the doctors like I used to , or there will be more people probably expecting me to tolerate their way of life, rather than integrate into ours.

I have no doubt some will lap up your proposed narrative, but very few are that simple, just good people that care about themselves and their family and how this will all affect their futures.


You literally voted for a government that stopped paying doctors.
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« Reply #17484 on: May 26, 2019, 10:24:54 PM »



As someone wanting to control immigration I don't see that this is racist. Is that all you see? If so is it just because no one is white?

He used a picture of Syrian refugees knowing full well that they had no rights to come into the UK and it's not relevant. There is a reason they are not white, the picture is a symbol of the people that scare the exact demographic he wanted to influence.

I am pro controlling immigration but this was calculated to feed into the "swarm" and "plague" narrative that was in the press a lot at the time.


To me it reminds me that I can't get an appointment at the doctors like I used to , or there will be more people probably expecting me to tolerate their way of life, rather than integrate into ours.

I have no doubt some will lap up your proposed narrative, but very few are that simple, just good people that care about themselves and their family and how this will all affect their futures.


You literally voted for a government that stopped paying doctors.

While immigrants provided more money than non immigrants to to be able to spend on doctors. Our government decided not to spend the extra money immigrants provided on doctors.
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« Reply #17485 on: May 26, 2019, 10:31:43 PM »


There’s a comma or two missing in that one, apologies to all who misunderstand the sentiment.
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« Reply #17486 on: May 26, 2019, 10:33:53 PM »



As someone wanting to control immigration I don't see that this is racist. Is that all you see? If so is it just because no one is white?

He used a picture of Syrian refugees knowing full well that they had no rights to come into the UK and it's not relevant. There is a reason they are not white, the picture is a symbol of the people that scare the exact demographic he wanted to influence.

I am pro controlling immigration but this was calculated to feed into the "swarm" and "plague" narrative that was in the press a lot at the time.


To me it reminds me that I can't get an appointment at the doctors like I used to , or there will be more people probably expecting me to tolerate their way of life, rather than integrate into ours.

I have no doubt some will lap up your proposed narrative, but very few are that simple, just good people that care about themselves and their family and how this will all affect their futures.


You literally voted for a government that stopped paying doctors.

While immigrants provided more money than non immigrants to to be able to spend on doctors. Our government decided not to spend the extra money immigrants provided on doctors.

I doubt the immigrants in the photo provided much of that. That is where the Remoaners desperate to put labels on the rest of us fall down. They know we are happy with immigrants that bring something to the party, but that would make their argument less dramatic by accepting that.

Far easier to Chuck all immigrants into the argument and muddy the waters.
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« Reply #17487 on: May 26, 2019, 10:35:33 PM »

Do show me something Farage has done that’s racist! Sure, some of his tactics have been a little unpalatable but I wouldn’t go further than perhaps call it ‘extreme patriotism’.

See how he ditched UKIP when they allowed an actual racist (Yaxley-Lennon) into the fold? And didn’t he have a German wife? Or do you think he’s just racist to browns?

I hope you dont think everyone who votes for the brexit party is racist...

Farage holds the same views now, as he did when he was in UKIP. As the saying goes, not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, but all the racists voted Brexit.


I really would like to see how brave a keyboard warrior like you would be in a room full of Brexiteers.

I suppose racists don’t like to be labelled racists. But of course Adz, your response doesn’t surprise me. You’re inciting violence, typical Brexit yob.

You can call me a racist all you like Aaron. My mate Chris, who I played golf with today and a black guy, might disagree, but you know me so much better.

I didn’t call you racist.

Just LOL at you, silly little boy.
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« Reply #17488 on: May 26, 2019, 10:40:19 PM »



As someone wanting to control immigration I don't see that this is racist. Is that all you see? If so is it just because no one is white?

He used a picture of Syrian refugees knowing full well that they had no rights to come into the UK and it's not relevant. There is a reason they are not white, the picture is a symbol of the people that scare the exact demographic he wanted to influence.

I am pro controlling immigration but this was calculated to feed into the "swarm" and "plague" narrative that was in the press a lot at the time.


To me it reminds me that I can't get an appointment at the doctors like I used to , or there will be more people probably expecting me to tolerate their way of life, rather than integrate into ours.

I have no doubt some will lap up your proposed narrative, but very few are that simple, just good people that care about themselves and their family and how this will all affect their futures.


You literally voted for a government that stopped paying doctors.

While immigrants provided more money than non immigrants to to be able to spend on doctors. Our government decided not to spend the extra money immigrants provided on doctors.

I doubt the immigrants in the photo provided much of that. That is where the Remoaners desperate to put labels on the rest of us fall down. They know we are happy with immigrants that bring something to the party, but that would make their argument less dramatic by accepting that.

Far easier to Chuck all immigrants into the argument and muddy the waters.

The immigrants in the photo have nothing to do with the UK. Let me know when we can stop pointing this out to you. Screening immigrants would cost a fortune, our government and the people who vote for them don’t believe in funding things.
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« Reply #17489 on: May 26, 2019, 10:46:35 PM »

Do show me something Farage has done that’s racist! Sure, some of his tactics have been a little unpalatable but I wouldn’t go further than perhaps call it ‘extreme patriotism’.

See how he ditched UKIP when they allowed an actual racist (Yaxley-Lennon) into the fold? And didn’t he have a German wife? Or do you think he’s just racist to browns?

I hope you dont think everyone who votes for the brexit party is racist...

Farage holds the same views now, as he did when he was in UKIP. As the saying goes, not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, but all the racists voted Brexit.


I really would like to see how brave a keyboard warrior like you would be in a room full of Brexiteers.

I suppose racists don’t like to be labelled racists. But of course Adz, your response doesn’t surprise me. You’re inciting violence, typical Brexit yob.

You can call me a racist all you like Aaron. My mate Chris, who I played golf with today and a black guy, might disagree, but you know me so much better.

I didn’t call you racist.

Just LOL at you, silly little boy.

You call me silly little boy, but you said tighty left the discussion because of this, yet his daughter was having an operation.

I’d say more LOL at you.
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