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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
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« Reply #17520 on: May 27, 2019, 11:03:57 AM »

And so with respect to Ricks point, for the health of all of us I think another referendum is the best way forward. I think it would be a miserable outcome to this whole affair but we're 3 years on and it becomes increasingly hard to make the argument that the expressed will, with a narrow majority 3 years ago, is something we should act on today.

Much as I think it's bad for the collective soul to show such weakness and lack of confidence in our own ability as country it's hard to argue that a major concept like this shouldn't be tested with an 'are you sure ?' at some point.
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« Reply #17521 on: May 27, 2019, 11:04:02 AM »

Payne again

We’re witnessing a nightmare future for the Labour Party. Its metropolitan Hampstead voters have fled to the Liberal Democrats; the provincial Humberside heartlands to the Brexit party. The fence Jeremy Corbyn has been sitting on has been taken away
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« Reply #17522 on: May 27, 2019, 11:04:23 AM »

Labour source:

"Top of the BBC election night programme is an opening batsman whose only job is to set out the script, downplay expectations and to focus the narrative on the other parties’ failings. Emily came out and dug up the pitch and publicly humiliated her team captain."
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« Reply #17523 on: May 27, 2019, 11:05:24 AM »

Shipman, very clever...catch1922

Let’s call this Catch 1922:

i) How does anyone not threatening no deal get a) any movement from Brussels or b) win the Tory leadership?

ii) How does anyone threatening no deal win a confidence motion and command a majority in the Commons?
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« Reply #17524 on: May 27, 2019, 11:06:44 AM »

so normally

Its kind of like a catch 22 situation.

1. Do you risk a hard Brexiteer coming in and risk collapsing the govt?
2. Do you risk bringing in a remain PM and lose support from the DUP.

All roads lead to a GE. but neither party is going to want a GE now

ultimately Boris or whoever is going to try and renegotiate to satisfy Brexiteer curiosity about what might have been, probably fail, probably try to extend
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« Reply #17525 on: May 27, 2019, 11:07:18 AM »

brain dump continues, i only have 30minutes
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« Reply #17526 on: May 27, 2019, 11:07:31 AM »

"Two iron laws emerge from the years of the Brexit nightmare. First, it always seems that things cannot get worse than they are at the moment. Second, they always do.The election of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister in succession to Theresa May would confirm both these laws."

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« Reply #17527 on: May 27, 2019, 11:07:58 AM »

Thornberry, the star of the BBC coverage took no shit

"We were not clear on the one single thing people wanted to hear. We shdve said quite simply that any deal that comes out of this govt should be put to a confirmatory referendum + that Remain should be on the ballot paper + that Labour would campaign to Remain.”

tbf, I thought she was disgraceful. When asked about the Labour line and the fact that she was in shadow cabinet supporting the line at every turn sh basically argued that she'd been dissembling all along - the worst kind of cretin
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« Reply #17528 on: May 27, 2019, 11:08:03 AM »

worth repeating

principles? this from before the ref

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1131941163404079104
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« Reply #17529 on: May 27, 2019, 11:09:00 AM »

 extraordinary email from John Howarth - Lab MEP for SE England - basically trashing the party leadership
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« Reply #17530 on: May 27, 2019, 11:10:34 AM »

Can really draw parallels between EU elections and GE

The most blazing fact we can glean is voters are utterly disenfranchised from politics, partic mainstream

For all the proposed shortages of household goods in project fear public disengagement in politics is a pretty big consequence for Remainers to contemplate
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« Reply #17531 on: May 27, 2019, 11:13:17 AM »

Can really draw parallels between EU elections and GE

The most blazing fact we can glean is voters are utterly disenfranchised from politics, partic mainstream

For all the proposed shortages of household goods in project fear public disengagement in politics is a pretty big consequence for Remainers to contemplate

We don't know enough to extrapolate from a (partly, largely)protest vote, how many stay there at a GE etc largely because it all depends on the next year. Presumably a brexit deal reverses some of this. An extension through towards the next GE presumably prolongs this impact. A revocation means the whole thing is in completely new territory.

the general principle that two party politics is fragmenting, and both major parties have a really difficult job to keep their coalitions of leavers and remainers together is a big theme of last night though
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« Reply #17532 on: May 27, 2019, 11:13:30 AM »

Results show the country is split in half, politicians have to brexit or remain, piss of half the people rather than 100% of them.

Just explain how they piss off 100% again...

Who is happy with the situation at the moment?


Oh, I get it now.

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« Reply #17533 on: May 27, 2019, 11:21:41 AM »

Can really draw parallels between EU elections and GE

The most blazing fact we can glean is voters are utterly disenfranchised from politics, partic mainstream

For all the proposed shortages of household goods in project fear public disengagement in politics is a pretty big consequence for Remainers to contemplate

We don't know enough to extrapolate from a (partly, largely)protest vote, how many stay there at a GE etc largely because it all depends on the next year. Presumably a brexit deal reverses some of this. An extension through towards the next GE presumably prolongs this impact. A revocation means the whole thing is in completely new territory.

the general principle that two party politics is fragmenting, and both major parties have a really difficult job to keep their coalitions of leavers and remainers together is a big theme of last night though

Sorry missed the t from can’t and do agree

We saw UKIP perform in EU elections last time and then flop at GE
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« Reply #17534 on: May 27, 2019, 11:51:47 AM »

so normally

Its kind of like a catch 22 situation.

1. Do you risk a hard Brexiteer coming in and risk collapsing the govt?
2. Do you risk bringing in a remain PM and lose support from the DUP.

All roads lead to a GE. but neither party is going to want a GE now

ultimately Boris or whoever is going to try and renegotiate to satisfy Brexiteer curiosity about what might have been, probably fail, probably try to extend

Our useless MP’s should have agreed a compromise deal.

Instead, we are left with this mess. Try my solution 3 pages ago.
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