The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

A majority of 30-40 is all he needs. Single aim get leverage with the EU. Then if that still l doesn't work a no deal can pass through a parliamentary vote

Much will depend on whether remain parties unite ahead of any campaign (signs not promising, been no successful stuff on those lines for three years) and whether boris pacts with Farage (might not think he needs to though if some of their euro voters head back into the Conservative fold)

[MANTIS01]

I think there’s a good chance Boris gets a solid majority and I think his camp are switched onto how to achieve it

The electorate are dog tired of division, uncertainty, austerity, mofo Brexit

Boris talks about hope, optimism, believing in the country, British people, union, investment, success (not unpopular subjects)

First step united cabinet.

Throws a load of dollar into the public purse tackling recent emotive issues like more police on streets, tough on crime, social care, Australian points immigration. Creates feel good with visible results on domestic concerns.

All the while drilling these messages through the social media formula that delivers magical results

While this is happening his oppos will drone on about Brexit, problems in the future, negativity, failure, logical wizard stuff.

Boris will constantly batter JCorbs into the ground from the dispatch box

Hey presto the bumbling fool with no strategy is king of the world

[aaron1867]

I don’t see how a 30-40 seat majority changes things as the last vote to support no deal got something like 180 supporting it, I think.

I don’t think a plan you’ve mentioned is his plan, because he’s been so adamant that we’re leaving in Oct and it will come back to haunt him if not. I genuinely think he has a plan nobody has really thought of, but still might ultimately not work.

[aaron1867]

Maybe what tighty says works if Boris is assuming Tories lose seats, still largest party and backed up by Nigel’s mates. But I don’t believe the hype of the Brexit Party at all

[Pokerpops]

Maybe what tighty says works if Boris is assuming Tories lose seats, still largest party and backed up by Nigel’s mates. But I don’t believe the hype of the Brexit Party at all

I’m very certain that Boris isn’t assuming the Tories would lose seats in a GE.
A 30+ majority Boris-led Tory government would get the job done. Bearing in mind that a lot of the rebels have already said they wouldn’t stand for the Conservative Party on a manifesto that included a commitment to retaining the option of a No Deal Exit.

[Karabiner]

I'm not saying they're going to win the next GE but I sense a resurgence of support for the Lib-Dems.

[MANTIS01]

Just been looking at the French export of wines & spirits which is worth bout $20b

UK is the 2nd biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with BoJo over Brexit, No Deal means big tariffs on French wine
US is the biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with Trump over digital taxes, Trump set to announce big tariffs on French wine

Keep on playing hardball Macron, you're doing good.

[BigAdz]

Just been looking at the French export of wines & spirits which is worth bout $20b

UK is the 2nd biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with BoJo over Brexit, No Deal means big tariffs on French wine
US is the biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with Trump over digital taxes, Trump set to announce big tariffs on French wine

Keep on playing hardball Macron, you're doing good.

Like I been saying for months, at some point the other side of the argument is gonna feel the pinch and wonder what the EU have done.

[MANTIS01]

JRM inviting Remoan to table motion to revoke Article 50 if they think they’re hard enough

Downing St confirm Trump wants to start negotiating free trade deal as soon as we leave

btw USA produces some mean Cabernet Sauvignon moany Macron and UK wine exploding into life

[Pokerpops]

Meanwhile, the Germans are powering on within the beneficial embrace of the EU

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-24/germany-s-factories-go-from-bad-to-worse-as-economy-treads-water

[aaron1867]

I'm not saying they're going to win the next GE but I sense a resurgence of support for the Lib-Dems.

The surge for LD is going to be something else, but won’t get them into power as one. If the Tories get kicked out it’s going to be a LAB/LD/SNP.

[aaron1867]

Just been looking at the French export of wines & spirits which is worth bout $20b

UK is the 2nd biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with BoJo over Brexit, No Deal means big tariffs on French wine
US is the biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with Trump over digital taxes, Trump set to announce big tariffs on French wine

Keep on playing hardball Macron, you're doing good.

Like I been saying for months

I love it when you say this 🤣

[BigAdz]

Just been looking at the French export of wines & spirits which is worth bout $20b

UK is the 2nd biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with BoJo over Brexit, No Deal means big tariffs on French wine
US is the biggest importer - Macron playing hardball with Trump over digital taxes, Trump set to announce big tariffs on French wine

Keep on playing hardball Macron, you're doing good.

Like I been saying for months

I love it when you say this 🤣

Thank you.

Thread dunce has to take his shots when he can.

[kukushkin88]

I think there’s a good chance Boris gets a solid majority and I think his camp are switched onto how to achieve it

The electorate are dog tired of division, uncertainty, austerity, mofo Brexit

Boris talks about hope, optimism, believing in the country, British people, union, investment, success (not unpopular subjects)

First step united cabinet.

Throws a load of dollar into the public purse tackling recent emotive issues like more police on streets, tough on crime, social care, Australian points immigration. Creates feel good with visible results on domestic concerns.

All the while drilling these messages through the social media formula that delivers magical results

While this is happening his oppos will drone on about Brexit, problems in the future, negativity, failure, logical wizard stuff.

Boris will constantly batter JCorbs into the ground from the dispatch box

Hey presto the bumbling fool with no strategy is king of the world

Morning all,

Lots of this post is sensible but needs to be viewed against the backdrop of a situation where he is simultaneously saying he will spend loads of money (Keynes style), while taking an action which will make the country a huge amount poorer under all scenarios. We’ll have to keep coming back to how hard this conflicts with austerity being a good idea.

[kukushkin88]

and following on from that

Tories (Cummings) flooding Facebook with Boris Johnson ads. Likely testing messages ahead of a planned general election campaign.

obv leave campaign 2016 had a huge success with social and new media compared to stuffy old remain

https://www.channel4.com/news/could-online-adverts-promoting-boris-johnson-be-a-sign-that-a-general-election-will-be-called

New Netflix documentary The Great Hack shows how data mining and targeted advertising won the Leave vote and then went on to win the Trump campaign. Trump’s team were spending £1m per day on Facebook with tailor made messages hitting the emotional preferences of every American voter.

Anybody who thinks lying and advertising have no place in modern politics will be left in the dark ages. Afraid it’s all about manipulation now.

Thanks for the heads up on ‘The Great Hack’.

The interest in and seeming glee (forgive me if I’m wrong about the glee) about Cambridge Analytica is interesting. As always you don’t seem to think that lying (in this instance on the greatest scale mankind has seen yet) is a problem.

Have you watched it?

1: Are you aware that most of the propaganda directly aligns with your views?
2: It seems clear the Russian’s have been paying to manipulate people to a similar world view to your own. Does this cause you concern?
2: Are you immune to the influence of the propaganda? It would be impressive if you are. Maybe you already thought the way you do?