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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #22335 on: December 04, 2019, 04:41:40 PM »

33.3% Brexit

33.3% Cons

33.3% Lib Dems
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« Reply #22336 on: December 04, 2019, 08:00:22 PM »

Jo Swinson doing pretty well in this Neill interview. Quite composed and reasonable grasp across a range of issues. She's surprised me. She was unlucky in that audience bear pit the other day
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« Reply #22337 on: December 05, 2019, 12:48:19 AM »

70% Conservative

30% Brexit
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« Reply #22338 on: December 05, 2019, 09:31:53 AM »

I don’t care what Corbyn watches at Xmas, but Rayner trying to wriggle out of that lie was cringeworthy.  Rayner is horrendous.
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« Reply #22339 on: December 05, 2019, 10:43:40 AM »

The New Statesman article refusing to endorse any party is hard to disagree with, from my perspective.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/election-2019/2019/12/leader-britain-deserves-better
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« Reply #22340 on: December 05, 2019, 11:18:53 AM »

50% Lib Dem
33.3% Labour
8.3% Green
8.3% Brexit

Not too bad, apart from the BXP anomaly.
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« Reply #22341 on: December 05, 2019, 12:00:12 PM »

CON 46.7
LIBDEM 33.3
LAB 13.3
BREX 6.7

A little surprised by the LAB content  Wink
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« Reply #22342 on: December 05, 2019, 12:44:05 PM »

CON 46.7
LIBDEM 33.3
LAB 13.3
BREX 6.7

A little surprised by the LAB content  Wink

I was a little surprised I got none.  There was a couple of labour party policies that I recognised and thought rediculous already, but I assumed some of the others would be labour policy.  I think the greens must have come a long way, or labour have moved a long way, as in the past it was easier to dismisss the green policies as unaffordable and fairyland stuff.
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« Reply #22343 on: December 05, 2019, 01:25:34 PM »

The Jewish Labour Movement submission to the EHRC has been leaked, prompting headlines today regarding the 70 or so Labour staff members involved in providing testimony towards it.

There are a few commentaries on it, and links to the full document, below.  Reading the various responses to these tweets from the Corbynista twitter brigade is probably equally as revealing as the actual report.  For those not familiar with them (lucky you), this is pretty typical of the sort of content you get from the #JC4PM and #GTTO hashtags, and is a significant part of why the Labour Party is currently as much of a moral cesspit as the Tory Party in the eyes of many former Labour supporters.  Beyond the issue of antisemitism, the online bullying, whataboutery and deflection are typically used against anyone who has the slightest reservation regarding the suitability of Corbyn as supreme leader, but this is the topic which is currently under independent investigation, hence the relevance and the fact it's a major news headline.

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1202521499581575172

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1202539039943020544

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1202505953498849280

Alternatively, a quick click on the trending 'Jewish Labour Movement' tag currently throws up a decent proportion of outrage from Corbyn supporters within the mix, some of which just fuels the fire of the original complaint further.  It's very difficult to envisage how the EHRC will fail to declare the Labour Party as institutionally antisemitic when it ultimately reports on this investigation.
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« Reply #22344 on: December 05, 2019, 02:02:53 PM »

CON 46.7
LIBDEM 33.3
LAB 13.3
BREX 6.7

A little surprised by the LAB content  Wink

I was a little surprised I got none.  There was a couple of labour party policies that I recognised and thought rediculous already, but I assumed some of the others would be labour policy.  I think the greens must have come a long way, or labour have moved a long way, as in the past it was easier to dismisss the green policies as unaffordable and fairyland stuff.

It occurred to me, as I was completing the survey in every category, that the read-out for those that only chose a few of the categories would be potentially misleading. There’s also the absence of context - I.e. the ability to evaluate the policies in context of all the other party policies. Clearly the issue of financial responsibility ought to be weighed in on the wishlist. Finally, the info given by some manifestos was pretty sparse compared to others in a few of the categories.

But it’s still an interesting exercise and worth the effort.
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« Reply #22345 on: December 05, 2019, 02:08:43 PM »

On a separate subject, I caught the last 10 minutes of an Emma Barnett interview with James Cowley of the New Statesman on 5Live this afternoon.

I can only recommend that everyone that posts on here has a listen. Whilst they’re not going to be supporting Boris Johnson’s Conservatives, they conclude that JC is unfit for office of PM.

Personally, I’m in agreement with the fundamental point that the electorate is presented with such paucity of choice of leaders at a time when we need a very good one more than ever....
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« Reply #22346 on: December 05, 2019, 02:13:27 PM »

On a separate subject, I caught the last 10 minutes of an Emma Barnett interview with James Cowley of the New Statesman on 5Live this afternoon.

I can only recommend that everyone that posts on here has a listen. Whilst they’re not going to be supporting Boris Johnson’s Conservatives, they conclude that JC is unfit for office of PM.

Personally, I’m in agreement with the fundamental point that the electorate is presented with such paucity of choice of leaders at a time when we need a very good one more than ever....

The link to the article is here.  Well written, and worth a read.

The New Statesman article refusing to endorse any party is hard to disagree with, from my perspective.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/election-2019/2019/12/leader-britain-deserves-better
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« Reply #22347 on: December 06, 2019, 09:23:08 AM »

Andrew Neil has challenged Boris Johnson to commit to an interview to face questions on why people have “deemed him to be untrustworthy”

The 3 minute video empty chairing him and calling him out in case anyone missed it

https://twitter.com/PA/status/1202702175367041030?s=20
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« Reply #22348 on: December 06, 2019, 09:26:50 AM »

an experiment in pure political tribalism:

how Labour voters react when they think these statements about Jews were said by Boris Johnson instead of Jeremy Corbyn, and are *then* told the truth: 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=739016943262028
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« Reply #22349 on: December 06, 2019, 10:48:30 AM »

the leaked documents today.

It’s marked as Treasury analysis and warns about “high negative impact” on the NI economy due to friction on imports and exports as a result of Johnson’s deal with the EU, something Johnson has denied.
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