Euro 2016 thread

[rinswun]

I don't think Leics would swap Schmeichel for Hart. Organises his defence better, better on corners and distributes better. Cech is a better keeper, Lloris would be picked ahead of Hart every time, De Gea best keeper in the prem. Cortois better and younger. Burland younger, equally good at shot stopping, possibly not quite as confident but higher upside.

Hart probably more consistent that Forster, I might concede that. Better than Mignolet and Adrian.

How gracious.

It's amusing that a keeper who has won 4 of the last 6 golden glove awards, often playing in front of a much maligned defence, is way behind the ability of many other keepers in the league.

If it's any consolation to you, we'd take him at Brentford.

Golden glove this year Cech? When was the last time an Arsenal keeper won it before him? I don't think it really has much relevance to be fair.

In the NHL there is an award for the goalie who's team let in the least but no one pays any attention, what matters is the award for the best keeper as voted for by his peers. Hart's not been in since 2012 indicating his stalled in his development and hasn't kicked on. Cortois, Lloris, Butland all
joined the league since.

I like you - your whoppers are getting bigger and bigger   The "correllation" between inclusion or not in the PFA Team of the Year as a measure of stalled development is pretty good.  Well done.

 It says a lot for the award that matters that  Aguero  has not made 1 of the 2 striker positions in the PFA team of the year in any of his 5 years in the PL.  Does that mean he is really average as well?  At least Hart can take some consolation that he has made it as best keeper twice which is the same number as Cech. However Cech has played more PL seasons than Hart therefore Hart's achievement is better than Cech but Hart is average and Cech is good. I'm confused now.

Don't think there is a single whooper there, just honest opinion.

Does appear to be a City bias being shown by the blue mooners though. Interesting that not one non-city fan has come out and said that they feel Hart is signif ahead as English number one and most have said quite the opposite.

Pretty sure that if City had anyone else between the sticks you'd also be raving about them and be equally as successful. If they had De Gea in nets they'd probably be signif more successful. Hart's is serviceable as a good prem goalie but I don't think he's 'worth as many points' (to coin a phrase) as the other keepers prev mentioned. Certainly not world class.

[hhyftrftdr]

I don't think Leics would swap Schmeichel for Hart. Organises his defence better, better on corners and distributes better. Cech is a better keeper, Lloris would be picked ahead of Hart every time, De Gea best keeper in the prem. Cortois better and younger. Burland younger, equally good at shot stopping, possibly not quite as confident but higher upside.

Hart probably more consistent that Forster, I might concede that. Better than Mignolet and Adrian.

How gracious.

It's amusing that a keeper who has won 4 of the last 6 golden glove awards, often playing in front of a much maligned defence, is way behind the ability of many other keepers in the league.

If it's any consolation to you, we'd take him at Brentford.

Golden glove this year Cech? When was the last time an Arsenal keeper won it before him? I don't think it really has much relevance to be fair.

In the NHL there is an award for the goalie who's team let in the least but no one pays any attention, what matters is the award for the best keeper as voted for by his peers. Hart's not been in since 2012 indicating his stalled in his development and hasn't kicked on. Cortois, Lloris, Butland all
joined the league since.

I like you - your whoppers are getting bigger and bigger   The "correllation" between inclusion or not in the PFA Team of the Year as a measure of stalled development is pretty good.  Well done.

 It says a lot for the award that matters that  Aguero  has not made 1 of the 2 striker positions in the PFA team of the year in any of his 5 years in the PL.  Does that mean he is really average as well?  At least Hart can take some consolation that he has made it as best keeper twice which is the same number as Cech. However Cech has played more PL seasons than Hart therefore Hart's achievement is better than Cech but Hart is average and Cech is good. I'm confused now.

Don't think there is a single whooper there, just honest opinion.

Does appear to be a City bias being shown by the blue mooners though. Interesting that not one non-city fan has come out and said that they feel Hart is signif ahead as English number one and most have said quite the opposite.

Pretty sure that if City had anyone else between the sticks you'd also be raving about them and be equally as successful. If they had De Gea in nets they'd probably be signif more successful. Hart's is serviceable as a good prem goalie but I don't think he's 'worth as many points' (to coin a phrase) as the other keepers prev mentioned. Certainly not world class.

Sample size; there are 2 City fans sticking up for Hart, a Stoke fan wanting Butland as No.1 and a couple of others questioning Joe. Not sure what opinion you can really form from that.

I think DDG is the best keeper in the league but he's worth way more to them than he would be for us. Interested in how we'd be ''significantly more successful'' with DDG between the sticks instead of Hart. Maybe we'd have won the quadruple last season with De Gea?

It's pretty obv we're gonna stick up for a keeper we watch week in week out when you probably only see him on the MOTD highlight reel. I wish he would fucking catch the ball sometimes though, more than happy to concede that

[david3103]

I don't think Leics would swap Schmeichel for Hart. Organises his defence better, better on corners and distributes better. Cech is a better keeper, Lloris would be picked ahead of Hart every time, De Gea best keeper in the prem. Cortois better and younger. Burland younger, equally good at shot stopping, possibly not quite as confident but higher upside.

Hart probably more consistent that Forster, I might concede that. Better than Mignolet and Adrian.

How gracious.

It's amusing that a keeper who has won 4 of the last 6 golden glove awards, often playing in front of a much maligned defence, is way behind the ability of many other keepers in the league.

If it's any consolation to you, we'd take him at Brentford.

Golden glove this year Cech? When was the last time an Arsenal keeper won it before him? I don't think it really has much relevance to be fair.

In the NHL there is an award for the goalie who's team let in the least but no one pays any attention, what matters is the award for the best keeper as voted for by his peers. Hart's not been in since 2012 indicating his stalled in his development and hasn't kicked on. Cortois, Lloris, Butland all
joined the league since.

I like you - your whoppers are getting bigger and bigger   The "correllation" between inclusion or not in the PFA Team of the Year as a measure of stalled development is pretty good.  Well done.

 It says a lot for the award that matters that  Aguero  has not made 1 of the 2 striker positions in the PFA team of the year in any of his 5 years in the PL.  Does that mean he is really average as well?  At least Hart can take some consolation that he has made it as best keeper twice which is the same number as Cech. However Cech has played more PL seasons than Hart therefore Hart's achievement is better than Cech but Hart is average and Cech is good. I'm confused now.

Don't think there is a single whooper there, just honest opinion.

Does appear to be a City bias being shown by the blue mooners though. Interesting that not one non-city fan has come out and said that they feel Hart is signif ahead as English number one and most have said quite the opposite.

Pretty sure that if City had anyone else between the sticks you'd also be raving about them and be equally as successful. If they had De Gea in nets they'd probably be signif more successful. Hart's is serviceable as a good prem goalie but I don't think he's 'worth as many points' (to coin a phrase) as the other keepers prev mentioned. Certainly not world class.

Sample size; there are 2 City fans sticking up for Hart, a Stoke fan wanting Butland as No.1 and a couple of others questioning Joe. Not sure what opinion you can really form from that.

I think DDG is the best keeper in the league but he's worth way more to them than he would be for us. Interested in how we'd be ''significantly more successful'' with DDG between the sticks instead of Hart. Maybe we'd have won the quadruple last season with De Gea?

It's pretty obv we're gonna stick up for a keeper we watch week in week out when you probably only see him on the MOTD highlight reel. I wish he would fucking catch the ball sometimes though, more than happy to concede that

This guy was pretty good at catching the ball, didn't always need two hands either

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Gary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker

Said it many times this season but Kanté is as good a holding player as I've ever seen. It's like having 2 men in one position.

[PokerBroker]

I hadn't seen much of Kante in the PL.  But by god he was impressive last night.  Linekar spot on, he was everywhere.  How much ground doe he cover in an average game.  I could actually see him in a Barcelona team giving them that extra bit of steel that sometimes it seems they miss.  It's great having the ball 80% of the time but when you don't have it and your not the best defence it helps having someone who can break just about everything up. 

I also thought Payet was good, a bit wasteful in the first half but then I don't think France started that well.  The occassion seemed to get to a few of them.  Even Deschamps looked a bit nervy at times and he's one of the coolest heads around. 

Also agree with some comments about the French back line, it looks fragile.  My bets last night were mainly centred around the fact I thought the French were overrated and Romania underrated. 

Not to aftertime but I done quite well on the game last night with BTTS/Overs and 2 - 1 France I also backed 1 - 1 and 2 - 1 Romania.  I think that would have been the nut best result in terms of the night and overall for me as I have the Swiss to win that group. 

Albania from what I know and have seen will be pretty defensive, they won't have much going forward so today I'll be concentrating on unders, Swiss to win to nil and a bet I quite like Swiss to score first.

[JohnCharver]

Love wales, hopefully england give us a sweat as this is the best tournament in terms of interest for a very long time. Skrtel has acted like a total moron all match, he should have gone for an absolute pointless elbow early and was totally rash a few times.

[Tal]

Roy has decided to play as many people in their preferred position as possible.

Entirely welcome as a 4-3-3 with Rooney and Alli deeper, but one wonders why this hasn't been tried before.

[DropTheHammer]

Sad to see it all kicking off in Marsaille, loads of videos floating around Twitter of the usual cowardice displayed from the hooligan element 

[PokerBroker]

Bbc - " russian hooligans fighting with English fans".   No editorial direction then......

[Tal]

If anyone is wondering why former French tennis player Marion Bartoli is doing interviews for ITV's football coverage and how that is bonkers and weird, fear not...

On German TV, they have Phil Neville. He can't speak German, so he sits and watches the others discuss things and then, when it's his turn to answer a question, he waits for the translation to come through his earpiece and answers in English...which is them dubbed over for the audience.

I'm told he just said Alli is "like Ballack"

[arbboy]

England's fighting team get weaker and weaker every year with all the banning orders in place.   Ruskies def have an competitive advantage over us.  Can't imagine they bother with banning orders for their finest 'fans'.

[PokerBroker]

Hard to see how Spurs dont start winning things soon if their playerkeep improving like they are.  Ali is running this game imo.  Rooney thinking he is Scholes thought doesn't wash.  Hoddle should be put out to pasture.  Lallana is wasteful I'd have Vardy or Rashford on for him.  Why is Kane taking corners does he think he's Ronaldo?

[pleno1]

Hard to see how Spurs dont start winning things soon if their playerkeep improving like they are.  Ali is running this game imo.  Rooney thinking he is Scholes thought doesn't wash.  Hoddle should be put out to pasture.  Lallana is wasteful I'd have Vardy or Rashford on for him.  Why is Kane taking corners does he think he's Ronaldo?

Are you serious? Rooney and Lallana best two players on pitch by country mile.

[jakally]

Hard to see how Spurs dont start winning things soon if their playerkeep improving like they are.  Ali is running this game imo.  Rooney thinking he is Scholes thought doesn't wash.  Hoddle should be put out to pasture.  Lallana is wasteful I'd have Vardy or Rashford on for him.  Why is Kane taking corners does he think he's Ronaldo?

Are you serious? Rooney and Lallana best two players on pitch by country mile.

Agree completely with this. I think Rooney has been excellent.