Euro 2016 thread

[arbboy]

If someone had said Roy would have made 6 changes for last night and not dropped Hart most punters would have struggled to name the 6 players he would have changed and who they would have been replaced by. I would be amazed if anyone in England apart from Roy would have played the 11 he did last night.

[DungBeetle]

99.9% of managers do that though ?

I don't think I've ever seen a manager describe a poor/average performance as strong as much as Hodgson does for England.  Wenger often concedes below par performances when his team mess up a winnable game?

[DungBeetle]

Extremely poor. At least Hodgson won't now have his contract renewed.

He's only one game away from being England's most successful manager since Euro 96.

I don't understand this comment.  We made 2012, 2006, 2004, 2002 Quarter Finals of various tournaments (although I agree Roy's squad isn't as good as some of those so it counts for more)?

[mondatoo]

I totally agree that it was ott and too risky. I'd never have rested Rooney unless he requested it which I highly doubt, same with Alli. I would just rather support them when they're giving 100% as I've already said, maybe I just set the bar so low after the disappointment of the last few tournaments that have just been dire. Just think people could and should be a bit more positive.

[nirvana]

I'm fully behind d our boys, proper jingoistic like, but Roy is tewwible

[DungBeetle]

I totally agree that it was ott and too risky. I'd never have rested Rooney unless he requested it which I highly doubt, same with Alli. I would just rather support them when they're giving 100% as I've already said, maybe I just set the bar so low after the disappointment of the last few tournaments that have just been dire. Just think people could and should be a bit more positive.

I probably agree with you in that I think we've looked pretty good in the matches and I still think we've got a shot here.  I just have a gripe with Hodgson taking a completely needless risk and now we are in the wrong half of the draw.  I just don't understand it.  I understand little of what he says or does to be honest.  I think he's a negative to our hopes but the FA love him so hey-ho.

edit: and to be fair most of the flak I see is directed at Hodgson's thought processes, rather than the players themselves.

[mondatoo]

99.9% of managers do that though ?

I don't think I've ever seen a manager describe a poor/average performance as strong as much as Hodgson does for England.  Wenger often concedes below par performances when his team mess up a winnable game?

I guess we see different Wenger interviews post match then

I agree that he's not the best public speaker, but these days think very few actually excel in this department, big fan of Klopp for this.

[nirvana]

I totally agree that it was ott and too risky. I'd never have rested Rooney unless he requested it which I highly doubt, same with Alli. I would just rather support them when they're giving 100% as I've already said, maybe I just set the bar so low after the disappointment of the last few tournaments that have just been dire. Just think people could and should be a bit more positive.

We are, no doubt, playing better than in the recent past but it doesn't feel like part of a cohesive strategy. O  the other hand..Roy has chucked in a lot of good young players and form players despite the blunders with wilshere, henderson, Barklay (probably). Deserves a bit of credit compared with the turgidity of the play when we kept picking the same old players from the lolden generation a few years back

[mondatoo]

I think the Portugal game was so bad he realised playing Rooney as a no10 was a terrible plan. I think better late then never he also realised our defence is not good enough so created this system to support them as much as possible whilst also trying to play everyone in correct positions. Most people on here, myself included, said Rooney either shouldn't go or shouldn't be in the team yet most would now agree he's been our best player. Everyone will have differing opinions on some decisions and would do things different, overall I think he's doing a decent job of it.

Ofc there's a difference between positivity and stupidity and once France tear us a new one in the quarters I'll be more than happy to jump on the Roy is a twat and there all useless wankers bandwagon, may as well enjoy it for now though.

[DungBeetle]

"I think the Portugal game was so bad he realised playing Rooney as a no10 was a terrible plan."

Maybe he did Mondatoo, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't talk gibberish afterwards in that case:

"I'm not prepared to accept that we didn't play well,” Hodgson said. “We looked good, we had composure throughout the game"

[nirvana]

Yep. Have had to do a complete about face with Rooney..didn't think he could play that role from the evidence at man u

[jakally]

"I think the Portugal game was so bad he realised playing Rooney as a no10 was a terrible plan."

Maybe he did Mondatoo, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't talk gibberish afterwards in that case:

"I'm not prepared to accept that we didn't play well,” Hodgson said. “We looked good, we had composure throughout the game"

If his worst crime is refusing to criticise his side straight after a game, then he can't be that bad. Some excellent managers have been masters of that art.

[DungBeetle]

"I think the Portugal game was so bad he realised playing Rooney as a no10 was a terrible plan."

Maybe he did Mondatoo, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't talk gibberish afterwards in that case:

"I'm not prepared to accept that we didn't play well,” Hodgson said. “We looked good, we had composure throughout the game"

If his worst crime is refusing to criticise his side straight after a game, then he can't be that bad. Some excellent managers have been masters of that art.

It's something that winds me up in the extreme.  I am already cringing at the thought of what he will come out with if we lose to France and he is trying to spin it for a new contract.

It's not his worse failing of course.  His team selection last night and an unfit Wilshire being in the squad are worse in the grand scheme of things.

[jakally]

"I think the Portugal game was so bad he realised playing Rooney as a no10 was a terrible plan."

Maybe he did Mondatoo, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't talk gibberish afterwards in that case:

"I'm not prepared to accept that we didn't play well,” Hodgson said. “We looked good, we had composure throughout the game"

If his worst crime is refusing to criticise his side straight after a game, then he can't be that bad. Some excellent managers have been masters of that art.

It's something that winds me up in the extreme.  I am already cringing at the thought of what he will come out with if we lose to France and he is trying to spin it for a new contract.

It's not his worse failing of course.  His team selection last night and an unfit Wilshire being in the squad are worse in the grand scheme of things.

I think I'm ok mostly with last night. Generally played ok, and wouldn't end up scoreless very often if we repeated that game a number of times.
Wilshere? Think he's auto in the squad at his best, therefore it's probably a reasonable risk to take him.

Of the opinion that not taking Townsend is an error though. Shape of the team is much better with Sterling, and we are short of options if he doesn't feel that he can put him in.

[TightEnd]

this is an interesting perspective

"England arrived in France with Leicester in mind but look more like Arsenal "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/21/england-arrived-at-euro-2016-with-leicester-in-mind-but-have-loo/