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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2018, 12:07:37 AM »

Lingard has had some very good moments this season in a United team which seems to stifle creativity. Certainly deserves his place in the squad. I do wonder why you need Welbeck when you also have Rashford? Don't really see the need to have them both. Lallana is a different kind of player to all three. He's the victim of the decision to select the squad now instead of after the two friendlies as he could have played his way in.

Ox is a big miss for his versatility if nothing else.

Presumably planning to play Delph in midfield as he already has Rose and Young. On the right side we have Trippier, TAA so Walker will be in the back three?
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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2018, 07:02:44 AM »

Not to late for Mike Williamson surely ? Wink
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2018, 07:29:58 AM »

With the squad we have last 16 would be expected finish and quarter final would be an good run.  Our midfield is really substandard.
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« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2018, 09:44:13 AM »

Lingard has had some very good moments this season in a United team which seems to stifle creativity. Certainly deserves his place in the squad. I do wonder why you need Welbeck when you also have Rashford? Don't really see the need to have them both. Lallana is a different kind of player to all three. He's the victim of the decision to select the squad now instead of after the two friendlies as he could have played his way in.

Ox is a big miss for his versatility if nothing else.

Presumably planning to play Delph in midfield as he already has Rose and Young. On the right side we have Trippier, TAA so Walker will be in the back three?

Welbeck is a defensive forward, completely different to Rashford. If we're winning 1-0 vs France he will track back a lot better and hold the ball up a lot better than Rashford/Sterling etc, he offers something they all don't.

Mike Williamson 4 years ago was bette than Cahill now, the guy is an absolute disaster. In reality Mike Williamson was same as Tarkowski, Ben Mee etc. Starting English defender in an over achieving team challenging for European spots, because he played for Newcastle he won't get a shout same as Shelvey and Lascelles who are both pretty clearly deserving of a place in the squad.

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« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2018, 09:52:39 AM »

So how are we actually likely to set up? I see a lot of people saying Henderson/Dier will play together but I doubt that tbh.

I think it will be


  --------Pickford----------

----walker stones Harry m----

Trippier      Henderson             Rose

           Lingard        Delph

                     Sterling

                      Kane

Would he really play Alli in Delph role? Harry M replaced by Dier maybe??
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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2018, 10:26:26 AM »

He won't but i would love to see him play Kane in behind Vardy for games where we know we won't have possession and will be on the counter (Belgium, any of the big boys in the knockout stages)

If he sticks with 3 centre backs its

3-4-2-1 yes?

two holding midfielders..Henderson and Dier

two wing backs

and Alli/Sterling supporting Kane


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                Pickford

        Walker Stones Maguire

    Trippier Henderson Dier Rose

                Alli Sterling

                  Kane
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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2018, 10:49:38 AM »

Not sure I agree that the midfield is weak

Henderson has been one of the best players in the champions league knockout stages this season, Ali would get into most starting teams here and Dier is a rare breed an intelligent thinker who doesn't hide and can adapt for himself in game
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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2018, 10:54:49 AM »

Brilliant interview with Chalobah on the latest Totally Football Italian.

Talks about how much he learnt being at Napoli, learnt more than playing full seasons in the champ. First time he was introduced to set piece routines when to press and any tactical work in his career which shows how valuable these young players going abroad can be.

Watching Hamsik and Jorginho every day following how they moved on the pitch, shows in Dier the way he plays after his Sporting spell and hopefully will show in Sancho, Lookman et al when they breakthrough.

Also he mentioned how the training ground and facilities were worse than every Champ side he went on loan to and miles away from Chelsea.
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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »

Ashley Young is the first player called Young to be the oldest player in a World Cup squad since Choi Young-il in 1998
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2018, 04:58:04 PM »

He won't but i would love to see him play Kane in behind Vardy for games where we know we won't have possession and will be on the counter (Belgium, any of the big boys in the knockout stages)

If he sticks with 3 centre backs its

3-4-2-1 yes?

two holding midfielders..Henderson and Dier

two wing backs

and Alli/Sterling supporting Kane


eg


                Pickford

        Walker Stones Maguire

    Trippier Henderson Dier Rose

                Alli Sterling

                  Kane

He played one pivot DM and then two box to box midfielders (Lingard and Ox) I don't think he will play Dier/Henderson together, its pointless.
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« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2018, 06:50:17 PM »

Imagine watching this cup final and telling someone Cahill isnt good enough for England anymore and/or good enough on the ball

no chance
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« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2018, 08:59:59 PM »

Was a dire final.

Both teams are a million miles behind the best club teams in the world.
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« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2018, 09:51:58 PM »

Couldn't see a thread for the world cup.

Haven't watched much so far, a half a match here and there.

Enjoyed England's performance tonight even though I started to get a familiar sinking feeling with 15 mins to go.

Thought Maguire looked the part and there was a lot of positive performances (if fairly average, given the opposition). Still, average performances by England are so much better than the turgid crap delivered by so many past England sides which had a lot more experienced and notionally world class players.

Feel like Jordan Henderson is overrated although I like his effort and his demeanour - I guess if he didn't play then Dire would be in so it's a bonus he starts. Feels like we're perhaps just short of a top class midfielder to have any lasting impact but pleased for Southgate and good to enjoy an England game
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« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2018, 07:02:58 AM »

I’m biased but each time I saw Henderson on the ball I just wished it was Shelvey.
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« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2018, 08:52:55 PM »

Commentator in the French game made a great point as the game entered the 76th minute.

He'd been looking at all the results so far and worked out that 17% of goals so far had come in the last 15 mins of games.

Pretty interesting and glad he shared
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