COVID19

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

It’s time to revisit the ICU capacity as the sole measure of success idea. Best projections say we must be over a thousand deaths (it must be lots more but it’s an ok conservative estimation) now of people who didn’t even make it to hospital. Crowing about spare ICU capacity doesn’t seem right in the situation.

I don't think anyone said it was the sole measure of success did they? (Happy to be corrected on this, some of you guys are following the detail of this a lot more closely than I)

It's a hugely important measure of how the country is up-scaling ICU capacity and reducing the demand on it?

It's very sad that people are dying before making it to hospital but that should be another separate measure.

Do you think the deaths/infections are flattening Kush? If we achieve a similar curve to Italy without the harsh lock down would that not be a success?

For what its worth I agree that things should have been done earlier, the lack of control at airports and now lack of PPE for NHS are two of the things I just don't get.

Good morning

We’ll know a lot more about the curve on Wednesday/Thursday of this week (based on reporting patterns). For sure it seems to be levelling out/accelerating less quickly.

I know it might not look like it from some of my posts but I’m keen that lay people (like me) don’t try and be wise after the event. It was March 6th that my colleagues were involved in the London LRF and I was really surprised that we (both them and as a nation) still seemed to be non-believers at that time.

I don’t think we can measure success/failure easily against any other nation. It does seem incredible that with earlier warning than most comparable nations we have found ourselves with both one of the steepest curves and one of the two curves on an ‘every day more deaths than the last (on the seven day rolling average) trajectory amongst comparable nations. I think every country should focus (including collaboratively) on what could be done better and the time for it is now, not afterwards.

The ICU capacity was/is an approved measure and JMW brought it to our attention at an early stage as being a critical measure(from the IC model I believe?). We now have a situation though where we hear regularly that there is ICU capacity, whilst at the same time people are dying outside of hospital, not because they couldn’t get to hospital but because they don’t meet the criteria for treatment. I understand why but it is brutal and should be acknowledged, rather than swept under the carpet. The daily briefings should be about owning it, (think Cuomo and to a lesser extent Sturgeon) and not trying to spin it in to a positive.

I hope all is well with the new baby and you’re all getting some sleep.

On the 5ht march the deaths in Italy were still less than 200. It looked like Italy was a massive outlier in Europe, most were very old and they had just announced school closures for a period of just 2 weeks. No one really knew much at all. Its just over a month ago and so it's not surprising that people here didn't appreciate the seriousness and were more or less business as usual.

So I'm pretty confident that 99% of critical stuff written is being wise after the event. Over the last 3 weeks or so, that's just 3 weeks,  there are many legitimate logistical and mobilisation questions for govt about response, ppe, rate of testing amongst other things once the die was cast. On the severity of lockdown there is no right answer, only opinions.

Morning,

We could get my friends/colleagues to come and give testimony to the forum >jokes<. I foolishly (given my own medical situation) went for lunch with them after the LRF meeting and no doubt I would have been a dissenting voice if I had been present at the forum. They were pretty much giving me grief for scaremongering. Once it was established in Italy, there was no reason why we would be different.

Then you can put yourself in the 1%.

From the 5th March. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1235501769007992832

This one should have been a loud alarm bell:

https://twitter.com/dhscgovuk/status/1235207174407802880?s=21

[nirvana]

Also totally ridiculous to measure our response as the worst in the world and it's why your opinions look silly.

There's a few broad categories in response

Theres good Asian response. Say Singapore Taiwan.
There's liars - say Iran, china
There's 'good' western response, say Germany Austria Denmark.
The rest in Europe, Italy France UK etc.

There is no consistency across any 2 nations in terms of reporting and most of the world isn't tracking this the way the open Western democracies are. Saying ours is the worst response in this tiny snapshot period of the whole crisis is meaningless and purely politically driven whether the reader is a tory fan boy or not.

It surely makes more sense to limit the analysis of our response to comparable nations, acknowledging that even this is of limited value. Even the people trying to make the U.K. look bad have generously not pointed out that Germany and France are very much the most comparable nations across a range of metrics. The things that have compromised our response relative to those two nations are political. It was a political choice to have the smallest ICU capacity of any large European nation, it was a political choice to have our National Health Service understaffed by 100,000 FTE. It’s a political choice to have enfeebled our economy with Brexit, it’s also enfeebled our nation in terms of political leadership. It’s a political choice to have cut funding to Local Authorities by 40/60% over ~10 years.

Your post seems quite angry, to be clear, I wasn’t putting you in the Tory fanboy category. I understand if it’s the general premise of my posts that has annoyed you. I’m a bit surprised if you think my opinions look silly but good to have feedback.

Ha. Didnt think I was classed in the fan boy category although I'm pretty close. Your posts don't annoy me and I like seeing different opinions but I think like 60% of twitter they are aftertimey and I reserve the right to think they're silly.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

It’s time to revisit the ICU capacity as the sole measure of success idea. Best projections say we must be over a thousand deaths (it must be lots more but it’s an ok conservative estimation) now of people who didn’t even make it to hospital. Crowing about spare ICU capacity doesn’t seem right in the situation.

I don't think anyone said it was the sole measure of success did they? (Happy to be corrected on this, some of you guys are following the detail of this a lot more closely than I)

It's a hugely important measure of how the country is up-scaling ICU capacity and reducing the demand on it?

It's very sad that people are dying before making it to hospital but that should be another separate measure.

Do you think the deaths/infections are flattening Kush? If we achieve a similar curve to Italy without the harsh lock down would that not be a success?

For what its worth I agree that things should have been done earlier, the lack of control at airports and now lack of PPE for NHS are two of the things I just don't get.

I think it’s released from the paywall as it’s Coronavirus, a bit more detail on the fact that it isn’t that people can’t get to hospital, they don’t meet the criteria for treatment, while we’re told about spare ICU capacity daily:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-elderly-abandoned-to-worst-the-virus-can-do-charities-and-providers-warn-chglhj792

[kukushkin88]

Just to clear up possible confusion, as I said ‘forum’ both when I meant London Resilience Forum and when I meant Blonde Poker Forum, hopefully it is clear which one I am talking about in each instance.

[Doobs]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

It’s time to revisit the ICU capacity as the sole measure of success idea. Best projections say we must be over a thousand deaths (it must be lots more but it’s an ok conservative estimation) now of people who didn’t even make it to hospital. Crowing about spare ICU capacity doesn’t seem right in the situation.

I don't think anyone said it was the sole measure of success did they? (Happy to be corrected on this, some of you guys are following the detail of this a lot more closely than I)

It's a hugely important measure of how the country is up-scaling ICU capacity and reducing the demand on it?

It's very sad that people are dying before making it to hospital but that should be another separate measure.

Do you think the deaths/infections are flattening Kush? If we achieve a similar curve to Italy without the harsh lock down would that not be a success?

For what its worth I agree that things should have been done earlier, the lack of control at airports and now lack of PPE for NHS are two of the things I just don't get.

Good morning

We’ll know a lot more about the curve on Wednesday/Thursday of this week (based on reporting patterns). For sure it seems to be levelling out/accelerating less quickly.

I know it might not look like it from some of my posts but I’m keen that lay people (like me) don’t try and be wise after the event. It was March 6th that my colleagues were involved in the London LRF and I was really surprised that we (both them and as a nation) still seemed to be non-believers at that time.

I don’t think we can measure success/failure easily against any other nation. It does seem incredible that with earlier warning than most comparable nations we have found ourselves with both one of the steepest curves and one of the two curves on an ‘every day more deaths than the last (on the seven day rolling average) trajectory amongst comparable nations. I think every country should focus (including collaboratively) on what could be done better and the time for it is now, not afterwards.

The ICU capacity was/is an approved measure and JMW brought it to our attention at an early stage as being a critical measure(from the IC model I believe?). We now have a situation though where we hear regularly that there is ICU capacity, whilst at the same time people are dying outside of hospital, not because they couldn’t get to hospital but because they don’t meet the criteria for treatment. I understand why but it is brutal and should be acknowledged, rather than swept under the carpet. The daily briefings should be about owning it, (think Cuomo and to a lesser extent Sturgeon) and not trying to spin it in to a positive.

I hope all is well with the new baby and you’re all getting some sleep.

On the 5ht march the deaths in Italy were still less than 200. It looked like Italy was a massive outlier in Europe, most were very old and they had just announced school closures for a period of just 2 weeks. No one really knew much at all. Its just over a month ago and so it's not surprising that people here didn't appreciate the seriousness and were more or less business as usual.

So I'm pretty confident that 99% of critical stuff written is being wise after the event. Over the last 3 weeks or so, that's just 3 weeks,  there are many legitimate logistical and mobilisation questions for govt about response, ppe, rate of testing amongst other things once the die was cast. On the severity of lockdown there is no right answer, only opinions.

I don't think that is right.  I posted something on the 6th March about a million cases a week by May.   It is pretty clear that the Government was getting briefings about the potential seriousness before this date.   They have released papers from several weeks prior to this date.

I don't think it is easy though.   Many people moaned about the measures imposed here when they happened, so I think we can guess what the backlash would have been if we moved to total shutdown after a couple of deaths.  

This highlights a key part of the problem, with Boris and Trump, policy will be driven by populism first. What is best for the nation will always be given a lower priority. Thankfully every now and then, what’s best for the country and what’s popular will be the same thing but the US and U.K. are doing well by most measures under populist leaders atm.

Isn't that just general politics? You can't do stuff that is too unpopular with the general public and your backers.  If you do it, having a big majority at the start of a five year term is the time to do it.   It was never going to happen though; I think Boris was still shaking hands and Corbyn was not social isolating beyond that date.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

It’s time to revisit the ICU capacity as the sole measure of success idea. Best projections say we must be over a thousand deaths (it must be lots more but it’s an ok conservative estimation) now of people who didn’t even make it to hospital. Crowing about spare ICU capacity doesn’t seem right in the situation.

I don't think anyone said it was the sole measure of success did they? (Happy to be corrected on this, some of you guys are following the detail of this a lot more closely than I)

It's a hugely important measure of how the country is up-scaling ICU capacity and reducing the demand on it?

It's very sad that people are dying before making it to hospital but that should be another separate measure.

Do you think the deaths/infections are flattening Kush? If we achieve a similar curve to Italy without the harsh lock down would that not be a success?

For what its worth I agree that things should have been done earlier, the lack of control at airports and now lack of PPE for NHS are two of the things I just don't get.

Good morning

We’ll know a lot more about the curve on Wednesday/Thursday of this week (based on reporting patterns). For sure it seems to be levelling out/accelerating less quickly.

I know it might not look like it from some of my posts but I’m keen that lay people (like me) don’t try and be wise after the event. It was March 6th that my colleagues were involved in the London LRF and I was really surprised that we (both them and as a nation) still seemed to be non-believers at that time.

I don’t think we can measure success/failure easily against any other nation. It does seem incredible that with earlier warning than most comparable nations we have found ourselves with both one of the steepest curves and one of the two curves on an ‘every day more deaths than the last (on the seven day rolling average) trajectory amongst comparable nations. I think every country should focus (including collaboratively) on what could be done better and the time for it is now, not afterwards.

The ICU capacity was/is an approved measure and JMW brought it to our attention at an early stage as being a critical measure(from the IC model I believe?). We now have a situation though where we hear regularly that there is ICU capacity, whilst at the same time people are dying outside of hospital, not because they couldn’t get to hospital but because they don’t meet the criteria for treatment. I understand why but it is brutal and should be acknowledged, rather than swept under the carpet. The daily briefings should be about owning it, (think Cuomo and to a lesser extent Sturgeon) and not trying to spin it in to a positive.

I hope all is well with the new baby and you’re all getting some sleep.

On the 5ht march the deaths in Italy were still less than 200. It looked like Italy was a massive outlier in Europe, most were very old and they had just announced school closures for a period of just 2 weeks. No one really knew much at all. Its just over a month ago and so it's not surprising that people here didn't appreciate the seriousness and were more or less business as usual.

So I'm pretty confident that 99% of critical stuff written is being wise after the event. Over the last 3 weeks or so, that's just 3 weeks,  there are many legitimate logistical and mobilisation questions for govt about response, ppe, rate of testing amongst other things once the die was cast. On the severity of lockdown there is no right answer, only opinions.

I don't think that is right.  I posted something on the 6th March about a million cases a week by May.   It is pretty clear that the Government was getting briefings about the potential seriousness before this date.   They have released papers from several weeks prior to this date.

I don't think it is easy though.   Many people moaned about the measures imposed here when they happened, so I think we can guess what the backlash would have been if we moved to total shutdown after a couple of deaths.  

This highlights a key part of the problem, with Boris and Trump, policy will be driven by populism first. What is best for the nation will always be given a lower priority. Thankfully every now and then, what’s best for the country and what’s popular will be the same thing but the US and U.K. are doing well by most measures under populist leaders atm.

Isn't that just general politics? You can't do stuff that is too unpopular with the general public and your backers.  If you do it, having a big majority at the start of a five year term is the time to do it.   It was never going to happen though; I think Boris was still shaking hands and Corbyn was not social isolating beyond that date.

It is an inherent flaw in democracy (better than the alternatives o/c).  Would you acknowledge that the U.K. and US have a bigger problem with populism now than any western democracy (that we’re aware of) has had in our lifetimes? It’s very much a post truth world for swathes of the electorate on both side of the Atlantic atm.

While Boris made an outstanding bid for a Darwin Award, I don’t think we should hold mistakes made as an individual too much against him, talking  about it at the PC for introducing social distancing was a mistake. I didn’t hear about it at the time but I’d assume JC was playing the key worker card. I would reckon his understanding of the threat at that stage would be fairly poor, that’s just a guess but if I’m right, o/c he should  be doing better than that.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

It’s time to revisit the ICU capacity as the sole measure of success idea. Best projections say we must be over a thousand deaths (it must be lots more but it’s an ok conservative estimation) now of people who didn’t even make it to hospital. Crowing about spare ICU capacity doesn’t seem right in the situation.

I don't think anyone said it was the sole measure of success did they? (Happy to be corrected on this, some of you guys are following the detail of this a lot more closely than I)

It's a hugely important measure of how the country is up-scaling ICU capacity and reducing the demand on it?

It's very sad that people are dying before making it to hospital but that should be another separate measure.

Do you think the deaths/infections are flattening Kush? If we achieve a similar curve to Italy without the harsh lock down would that not be a success?

For what its worth I agree that things should have been done earlier, the lack of control at airports and now lack of PPE for NHS are two of the things I just don't get.

Good morning

We’ll know a lot more about the curve on Wednesday/Thursday of this week (based on reporting patterns). For sure it seems to be levelling out/accelerating less quickly.

I know it might not look like it from some of my posts but I’m keen that lay people (like me) don’t try and be wise after the event. It was March 6th that my colleagues were involved in the London LRF and I was really surprised that we (both them and as a nation) still seemed to be non-believers at that time.

I don’t think we can measure success/failure easily against any other nation. It does seem incredible that with earlier warning than most comparable nations we have found ourselves with both one of the steepest curves and one of the two curves on an ‘every day more deaths than the last (on the seven day rolling average) trajectory amongst comparable nations. I think every country should focus (including collaboratively) on what could be done better and the time for it is now, not afterwards.

The ICU capacity was/is an approved measure and JMW brought it to our attention at an early stage as being a critical measure(from the IC model I believe?). We now have a situation though where we hear regularly that there is ICU capacity, whilst at the same time people are dying outside of hospital, not because they couldn’t get to hospital but because they don’t meet the criteria for treatment. I understand why but it is brutal and should be acknowledged, rather than swept under the carpet. The daily briefings should be about owning it, (think Cuomo and to a lesser extent Sturgeon) and not trying to spin it in to a positive.

I hope all is well with the new baby and you’re all getting some sleep.

On the 5ht march the deaths in Italy were still less than 200. It looked like Italy was a massive outlier in Europe, most were very old and they had just announced school closures for a period of just 2 weeks. No one really knew much at all. Its just over a month ago and so it's not surprising that people here didn't appreciate the seriousness and were more or less business as usual.

So I'm pretty confident that 99% of critical stuff written is being wise after the event. Over the last 3 weeks or so, that's just 3 weeks,  there are many legitimate logistical and mobilisation questions for govt about response, ppe, rate of testing amongst other things once the die was cast. On the severity of lockdown there is no right answer, only opinions.

I don't think that is right.  I posted something on the 6th March about a million cases a week by May.   It is pretty clear that the Government was getting briefings about the potential seriousness before this date.   They have released papers from several weeks prior to this date.

I don't think it is easy though.   Many people moaned about the measures imposed here when they happened, so I think we can guess what the backlash would have been if we moved to total shutdown after a couple of deaths.  

This highlights a key part of the problem, with Boris and Trump, policy will be driven by populism first. What is best for the nation will always be given a lower priority. Thankfully every now and then, what’s best for the country and what’s popular will be the same thing but the US and U.K. are doing well by most measures under populist leaders atm.

Isn't that just general politics? You can't do stuff that is too unpopular with the general public and your backers.  If you do it, having a big majority at the start of a five year term is the time to do it.   It was never going to happen though; I think Boris was still shaking hands and Corbyn was not social isolating beyond that date.

It is an inherent flaw in democracy (better than the alternatives o/c).  Would you acknowledge that the U.K. and US have a bigger problem with populism now than any western democracy (that we’re aware of) has had in our lifetimes? It’s very much a post truth world for swathes of the electorate on both side of the Atlantic atm.

While Boris made an outstanding bid for a Darwin Award, I don’t think we should hold mistakes made as an individual too much against him, talking  about it at the PC for introducing social distancing was a mistake. I didn’t hear about it at the time but I’d assume JC was playing the key worker card. I would reckon his understanding of the threat at that stage would be fairly poor, that’s just a guess but if I’m right, o/c he should  be doing better than that.

It might be an odd way to look at it but are we perhaps fortunate to have the ‘balance’ of having post truthers on both side of the political divide? In the US, they really do seem to be loaded to the right, less so in the U.K.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Pokerpops]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

[Woodsey]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

‘The figures were gleefully seized upon by the Left-wing press and emblazoned over front pages as evidence that the Government’s strategy has failed’. That’s Kuku all over........

[Pokerpops]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

‘The figures were gleefully seized upon by the Left-wing press and emblazoned over front pages as evidence that the Government’s strategy has failed’. That’s Kuku all over........

Thought you’d appreciate that

[Pokerpops]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

So your Junior Dr is blaming Boris Johnson for 5,500 deaths over a 10 year period for much of which he wasn’t even an MP?

[Doobs]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

‘The figures were gleefully seized upon by the Left-wing press and emblazoned over front pages as evidence that the Government’s strategy has failed’. That’s Kuku all over........

Those UK forecasts were clearly wrong and ridiculed at the time on this very board.   It isn't a left wing/right wing thing, it is a science thing.   Mad that it was a little over a week ago they were bandied around.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-ferguson/uk-coronavirus-deaths-could-reach-7000-to-20000-ferguson-idUSKBN21N0BN

Clearly 20k is very much at the low end of possible outcomes and not the high end.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

This is literally the thing that is brought up on here regularly and ridiculed for looking more ridiculous every day than it did the last. Maybe try again.

[kukushkin88]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

This is literally the thing that is brought up on here regularly and ridiculed for looking more ridiculous every day than it did the last. Maybe try again.

ScIence doesn’t have politics, thankfully but if it did, I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t read The Telegraph.

edit: trying to give my niece and nephew a FaceTime English Lit lesson and respond at the same time didn’t go well 😊.