COVID19

[RickBFA]

France gets added to the quarantine list for 4am Saturday

The great race to the ports begins, tents will be collapsed in the dark as  000’s of of families with open ferry / tunnel tickets race to be over the channel in time. Like the Beaujolais run but less posh

Nigel Farage will be there finding an angle to get himself on tv.

Interesting to watch people on holiday moaning about the Government decision.

They act too slowly and get criticised.

They act too quickly and get criticised.

Everyone knows we are in the middle of a global pandemic - if people choose to go abroad then accept the risks in the current climate or don’t go.

They will want compensation next ffs.

[MintTrav]

France gets added to the quarantine list for 4am Saturday

The great race to the ports begins, tents will be collapsed in the dark as  000’s of of families with open ferry / tunnel tickets race to be over the channel in time. Like the Beaujolais run but less posh

Nigel Farage will be there finding an angle to get himself on tv.

Interesting to watch people on holiday moaning about the Government decision.

They act too slowly and get criticised.

They act too quickly and get criticised.

Everyone knows we are in the middle of a global pandemic - if people choose to go abroad then accept the risks in the current climate or don’t go.

They will want compensation next ffs.

Don't disagree with any of that but, if the quarantine is necessary, why didn't they make it immediate? Now we've got all these people scrambling to get back today, as if they are somehow less infectious if they beat the deadline.

Scott and Tracy Cuthbert, from the village of Bloxham in Oxfordshire, say cutting their holiday in the Loire Valley short by six days was an "easy decision to make for us because we both need to work".

I wonder if the people who work with Scott and Tracy will be saying 'Well done' for getting back before the requirement to isolate comes in.

[Doobs]

France gets added to the quarantine list for 4am Saturday

The great race to the ports begins, tents will be collapsed in the dark as  000’s of of families with open ferry / tunnel tickets race to be over the channel in time. Like the Beaujolais run but less posh

Nigel Farage will be there finding an angle to get himself on tv.

Interesting to watch people on holiday moaning about the Government decision.

They act too slowly and get criticised.

They act too quickly and get criticised.

Everyone knows we are in the middle of a global pandemic - if people choose to go abroad then accept the risks in the current climate or don’t go.

They will want compensation next ffs.

Don't disagree with any of that but, if the quarantine is necessary, why didn't they make it immediate? Now we've got all these people scrambling to get back today, as if they are somehow less infectious if they beat the deadline.

Scott and Tracy Cuthbert, from the village of Bloxham in Oxfordshire, say cutting their holiday in the Loire Valley short by six days was an "easy decision to make for us because we both need to work".

I wonder if the people who work with Scott and Tracy will be saying 'Well done' for getting back before the requirement to isolate comes in.

They have to draw a line and people complain if they give no notice.  Does seem a bit like they can't win.  Seems if there is an increasing risk we want people back sooner rather than later?

I don't think Scott and Tracy's workmates need to be too concerned, it is only twice the rate of here, and isn't the Loire Valley going to be safer than in a big city or in a crowded coastal resort?  I really have never been to the Loire Valley, but it doesn't strike me as a crowded place, though maybe all the French have flocked there to avoid all the other French (I know Paris empties in August in a normal year, so maybe my logic is way off?).  If they have been practicing good Covid avoiding principles then they are going to be lower risk than someone who has been staycationing down the pub.

[Doobs]

In no time at all France is now reporting nearly 5,000 cases a day.  Pretty sure it was only around 2,000 when I replied to the post above.   I saw we were back above 1,000 the other day, how long before we are at 2,000?  FWIW Covid death numbers are currrently pretty low.

Anyway this is interesting.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/07/24/coronavirus-restrictions

Flu cases are down in the Southern hemisphere in their winter, very significantly in some countries.  Though flu varies by the season, there seems likely to be a link to school closures, social distancing and mask wearing etc.  Given flu can easily kill 10,000+ in a bad year here, this could be very good news.   Presumably deaths from a few other infectious diseases could fall too? 

I am sure any resulting lower deaths over this winter are ripe for misinterpretation by the Toby Young crew. 

[Marky147]

Saw something on 2p2 from a guy that works in the NHS, and a surgeon/dr he works with said they thought that it looked like the virus was becoming weaker, so whilst many still getting it, not as many suffering from the full blown symptoms.

Sources, obv... However, would that fit in with how things seem to be progressing across most of Europe?

Also gives the tinfoil brigade a bigger drum to beat, on the it's all about making your obey the NWO and reptilian shape-shifters that will take over soon.

[teddybloat]

would like to give an insight into the hell happening in care homes atm

public health england consider an outbreak to be two symptomatic residents or staff. once a home has that it enters into outbreak measures.

our home looks after people living with dementia. for these people family are not just visitors but a part of their care - an anchor for their identity and memories. and they have not been allowed access since march. after heavy campaigning by a number of dementia charities our government followed scotland in allowing garden visitation.  we waited many weeks after scotland, but ok we were moving.

our home has been weekly testing all staff and residents for covid as well as taking residents temps twice daily.

a week before we were due to start garden visits an aysmptomatic staff member had a test comeback positive - she had not been on duty for a week due to annual leave

that week a resident had a high tempreture

so we are now in lockdown. all access the upper floors had to the garden stop, socialising in groups stops and importantly the planned visits stop

we are on a 28 day clock. no more symptoms and we can start visits and come out of outbreak measure/

this is necessary.

Public Health England now take over our testing regime and send couriers for our next two weekly tests. everyone is negative. the residents temp was normal the next day, and the staff member after isolation and 2 negative tests returns to work

the families are devastated but undertsanding. the third week of the 28 days public health england deny us testing and tell us they will test just before the 28 days are up

4 days before we are due to come out of measures on one of the hottest days of the year we have a resident with a high tempreture.

public health england say we now have to restart the 28 day clock and residents are to be isolated for another 4 weeks without visitors.

had this temp spike occured 4 says later it would have had zero consequences. worse PHE now say we will not be tested until the end of the new 28 days. the staff member is back at work and the other residnt who had a temp is completely fine with two negative tests. the whole staff and resident group has two weeks of neagtive testing behind them.

so we went from a home with weekly tests and a system that caught an asymptomatic staff member and prevented an actual outbreak to a home that will have had nobody tested for near seven weeks, whilst a single high temprteture in a community of 40 elderly people means that some of the most vulnerable people in the country are denied the lifeline of human contact with the only people who they love. this apparrently is done to protect people.

it makes no rational sense and trying to get to talk to someone who has the authority to make a decision is impossible. we spent 3 solid days getting passed from switchboard to switchboard at various acronyms to no avail

we go from no ppe and being sent untested hospital patients to this.

its inhumane.

[Marky147]

That really seems ridiculous, and can't imagine how tough it is for all concerned.

I would think you guys take a disgusting amount of misdirected anger from rightfully aggrieved family members.

[nirvana]

would like to give an insight into the hell happening in care homes atm

public health england consider an outbreak to be two symptomatic residents or staff. once a home has that it enters into outbreak measures.

our home looks after people living with dementia. for these people family are not just visitors but a part of their care - an anchor for their identity and memories. and they have not been allowed access since march. after heavy campaigning by a number of dementia charities our government followed scotland in allowing garden visitation.  we waited many weeks after scotland, but ok we were moving.

our home has been weekly testing all staff and residents for covid as well as taking residents temps twice daily.

a week before we were due to start garden visits an aysmptomatic staff member had a test comeback positive - she had not been on duty for a week due to annual leave

that week a resident had a high tempreture

so we are now in lockdown. all access the upper floors had to the garden stop, socialising in groups stops and importantly the planned visits stop

we are on a 28 day clock. no more symptoms and we can start visits and come out of outbreak measure/

this is necessary.

Public Health England now take over our testing regime and send couriers for our next two weekly tests. everyone is negative. the residents temp was normal the next day, and the staff member after isolation and 2 negative tests returns to work

the families are devastated but undertsanding. the third week of the 28 days public health england deny us testing and tell us they will test just before the 28 days are up

4 days before we are due to come out of measures on one of the hottest days of the year we have a resident with a high tempreture.

public health england say we now have to restart the 28 day clock and residents are to be isolated for another 4 weeks without visitors.

had this temp spike occured 4 says later it would have had zero consequences. worse PHE now say we will not be tested until the end of the new 28 days. the staff member is back at work and the other residnt who had a temp is completely fine with two negative tests. the whole staff and resident group has two weeks of neagtive testing behind them.

so we went from a home with weekly tests and a system that caught an asymptomatic staff member and prevented an actual outbreak to a home that will have had nobody tested for near seven weeks, whilst a single high temprteture in a community of 40 elderly people means that some of the most vulnerable people in the country are denied the lifeline of human contact with the only people who they love. this apparrently is done to protect people.

it makes no rational sense and trying to get to talk to someone who has the authority to make a decision is impossible. we spent 3 solid days getting passed from switchboard to switchboard at various acronyms to no avail

we go from no ppe and being sent untested hospital patients to this.

its inhumane.

Very disheartening to hear about this impact on you and the people you care for. Beggars belief that something like this still doesn't get handled appropriately after all this time.  These things need to be handled in a more decentralised way. Ridiculous that it needs to go to a national body for guidance and decisions

[teddybloat]

utterly ridiculous.

we had submitted detailed risk assessments and plans for visits well in advance of government guidance yet no one was willing to make a judgement. we could have gone rogue but had we an outbreak after being told to wait by pretty much every authority with the power to sanction us we felt it we could not do that.

in the meantime, the scottish government had produced reams of materials that we ended up cribbing as it was so detailed and useful

would have been much better to give care providers the freedom to make decisions and react to local conditions with the provisio that any place that was being lax in either planning or delivery would be harshly dealt with.

this isnt a situation where any party has an interest in introducing risk, yet we are almost treating families as viral loads and will have to act as prison guards incase a person with dementia has the temerity to hug a son.

some families have one parent they can take to the pub to have a meal with no mask and surrounded by untested strangers and the other parent with us who they cannot visit whilst socially distanced with full PPE in a stting where everybody is tested weekly.

[MintTrav]

I'm surprised that you've managed to avoid it in a care home. In my mother's home, I think they've mostly all had it. A half-dozen died of it in May/June and the rest recovered (including her). Several of the staff have had time off with it too. It's probably the safest place to go to avoid getting it now. The place was on complete lock-down for ages, and window visits have been allowed for the last several weeks, which means that the resident is wheeled to sit inside an open window and the family-member must stand outside (with a mask). No touching. One visit a week per resident on a fixed day, and only one family-member per visit.

[Marky147]

Surely they can push that up the chain, and get it looked into soon?

Are they just overcompensating because of early mistakes?

[teddybloat]

I'm surprised that you've managed to avoid it in a care home. In my mother's home, I think they've mostly all had it. A half-dozen died of it in May/June and the rest recovered (including her). Several of the staff have had time off with it too. It's probably the safest place to go to avoid getting it now. The place was on complete lock-down for ages, and window visits have been allowed for the last several weeks, which means that the resident is wheeled to sit inside an open window and the family-member must stand outside (with a mask). No touching. One visit a week per resident on a fixed day, and only one family-member per visit.

Early on we had it after we were compelled to take in NHS patients whilst we had little ppe and testing was a pipe dream. Early may was our peak.

The hospital that we took residents from was actually the hospital that UK expats from Wuhan were sent to. Which was nice.

About 70% of resident affected and a good portion of staff.

Hard to say as most, including residents, were without symptoms. Only when testing became available did we find out it was so widespread.

I was an aysmpotmatic positive myself.

[Marky147]

Jon back in the mix.

[StuartHopkin]

Couple of updates from me......

The PPE dream is almost over. Final shipments being collected by the UK Government in China this coming weekend.

That brings the total to 5 jumbo jets to NY and 120 40' containers to the UK!

Unfortunately my speculative purchase hasn't been so easy to shift so if anyone is after some hand sanitiser or Type IIR face masks let me know!

In other news..

Got back from a week in a villa in Zante on Sunday, flying out and back with Jet2.

If anyone has even mild concerns about the virus situation then I would strongly advise against flying at the moment.
Everyone wore masks throughout the flight apart from when eating or drinking, but social distancing in both the airport and on the plane was none existent!

[Marky147]

Take them to Vegas, and flog them to one of the hotels!