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An awkward Post, to put it mildly, so I choose my words with some care, & I'd ask you to read them with the same care.

I take full personal responsibility for this Post.

As you know, Poker Trillion Sponsored our Internet Board for 2008. That arrangement has now concluded, & we did not seek to renew it, because Poker Trillion have failed to pay us some of the monies due. Their Debt to us now is just over £7,000.

They have never disputed any of the Invoices, or amounts due. The Contract was fulfilled enthuistically & wholeheartedly by blonde. The Invoices were sent monthly, on time, & correctly constructed, and a Statement was sent regularly.

We chased them for this money relentlessly. They explained that things were tough, they hoped to have additional financial backing soon, & would pay us as soon as they did. Scores of e-Mails to that effect are on record.

Recently, I got involved, as Rich (our CEO) & Curtis (our Accountant) could make no progress.

I spoke to the Staff at Poker Trillion, on numerous occasions, & started an almightly long e-Mail string with them. They sympathised - they are in the same boat as us, I think - so it's all a bit awkward. They continued to tell us that they were hopeful of an injection of funds, which would enable our Debt, & others, to be satisfied.

As I understand it, blonde are not alone in having this problem with Poker Trillion, not by any means. It's suggested there are a whole bunch of Trade Creditors.  These include - allegedly - Poker Magazines, Websites, Staff, Forums, and their Cardroom Network.

Eventually, I rang Achilleas Kalakkis, an old friend, who has always treated me well, & has been a gracioius & generous Host to me in the past. It was always rumoured that Achilleas was behind Poker Trillion. He told me, unequivically, that he severed ties with Poker Trrllion "many months ago". (September, I think). I have no reason to doubt this. Asked who was responsible for Poker Trillion now, Achilleas did not know. I asked him what advice he could give me, as to how we move this forward. He gave me helpful advice, but it's not worked.

I went back to Poker Trillion & asked point blank who was responsible for the Company. They said they did not know. I repeated the question, adding "but you must know who you work for, who you report to?".  Same reply. This is not tenable, & I said so. The suggestion was that they were under instruction not to divulge who was behind the Company.

The Staff at Poker Trillion are, (or, perhaps, were, as the situation is developing rapidly), Colin Hawker, & Andy Pyrah. Andy has been a good friend of many years standing, right back to his days at Matchroom. I have no personal issues with him, we get along fine, but this is business. I have always seen him as an honest, straight, guy.

We, & I, tried to contact Andy repeatedly, he never replied, or took our Calls. Eventually, we got him, he explained the cash-flow problems, & said he was doing his best to sort it. Then, overnight, Andy's regular Mobile Number became unavailable, "no longer in use". We have never heard from him since, but Colin informed me that Andy Pyrah remains CEO at Poker Trillion.

This is all pretty galling, especially when I see, even now, full page advertisements in the Poker media promoting Poker Trillion, $100,000 of guaranteed Tourneys every month, huge Deposit & Reload Bonuses, etc. I said this. They replied that the advertisements were pre-booked in 6 month "blocks", but had not been paid for yet.

blonde need that £7,000, to help pay our wage bill, & we are struggling without it. The money in question is not disputed by Poker Trillion, & never has been. They just cannot pay it. So, seeing those advertisements sort of strikes a bit of a nerve with Rich & myself.

Poker Trillion are registered in Malta, & we are evaluating our legal options. Legally, it's a nightmare, but I can't say more about that right now, as you'll understand.

We told them recently that this has to be resolved by today, failing which we would review our options. These include legal redress, & our Duty of Care to our Members who we actively & enthusiastically co-erced into Depositing with Poker Trillion. They did not reply.

We repeated it, & asked for their Registered Company Details. I also said, please ensure your backers are aware, we mean it, please resolve it now. They simply passed on their Registered Address in Malta, & left it at that. I tried again yesterday. No joy.

It's well documented that Poker Trillion moved from Boss, to Everleaf, amid much acrimony. Poker Trillion are a very significant proportion of the liquidity on Everleaf. I believe - & I dont hold that belief lightly, without some evidence - that there has been massive overlay on the $100k a month of Guaranteed Tourneys, & this overlay becomes a debt from Poker Trillion to Everleaf, which grows monthly. This allegedly owed sum is well into 6 figures. In short, Everleaf cannot allow Poker Trillion to disappear, & could, if they so wished, I would think, seize the Poker Trillion Database by way of guarantee. So Eveleaf hold all the aces.

So, thats where we are.

Next, our Duty of Care to blondes who, encouraged by us, Deposited cash with Poker Trillion.....

So, how safe is your money, in Poker Trillion?

Rich & I discuss & debate this endlessly, because we need to consider our Duty of Care to the blondes. We have, literally, agonized over it, time after time. If we went public, say, 3 months back, any chance of blonde getting paid went down the swanee - it's true, we were aware & considered that. But we genuinely, & honestly, believed that the Ring-Fenced arrangement is as good a guarantee as you can get.

It's always been the case, without exception, that the money on Deposit at Poker Trillion is actually held in an Everleaf "Cage", & is, as such, completely ring-fenced from Poker Trillion. That's what they told us, & tell us, & we accept it at face value, 100%. So far as I know, this is an industry-wide standard practice for almost all Skins.

So the money held on Deposit is not at risk from Poker Trillion's fate. It's as sound & secure, presumably, as Everleaf.

So should we advise you to withdraw, or not, given the problems we & others have had?

I am not going to advise you either way, but I have presented you with the facts as I understand them, You can work these things out as well as I can.

"Be aware", that's all.

For most small "rooms", blonde included, life is tough right now.

My own view is that I do not believe there is a risk to Depositors money, as it's held by Everleaf, not Poker Trillion. (Or so I'm told, & I assume this is correct).

So as to our Duty of Care, I don't believe we've let anyone down.

But now you know as much as we do, so there you go, decide for yourselves.

I make no recommedation to withdraw.

We (blonde) have been turned over by Poker Trillion, big time. To be honest, we think our chances of recovering this Debt are slim.

I'm entirely sympathetic to failed business ventures, they happen, especially in this climate. But I'm not overly pleased with being dicked around like this.

Would I Deposit money in Poker Trillion? I don't think I really need to answer that.

I've had a heavy conscience over this Duty of Care thing a good while now. Well, I've discharged my Duty of Care now, And blonde are still owed that £7,000+.

I guess it will all kick off now, & I'm in for a heap of grief. So be it. Folks should pay their bills, or if they cannot, at least be open & honest. There's no excuse.

Good luck with this Tikay.

Its pretty disgraceful for a company to behave the way they are though!

Their behaviour is similar to that of a degenerate gambler who owes money and wants to constantly fob you off or not answer calls and hope the problem will just solve itself.

Maybe they should arrange another forum challenge, so we all can help blonde out, oh wait.......................................


No, seriously this sucks Tikay and is pretty bad form the way they have dealt with this.

A big website I write for booted PT off their affiliate partners list for this very reason, I understand for a sum even bigger than this. I didn't say anything at all on Blonde simply because I wasn't (and still am not) aware of all the facts on that one and didnt want to stir anything incorrectly and scare people off if I was wrong.

But they have always seemed very dodgy to me, any poker room that blatantly violates a networks rakeback policy then tries to sue the network for booting them off is probably, as Greekstein rightly put it, degenerate.

I hope it all works out as best as possible, I myself am owed a similar amount of money from a supposedly reputable gambling institution that I know I will never get back, I know how frustrating it is and how powerless you feel.

Just want to congratulate Punters Lounge again on winning the Forum Challenge and hope they enjoy the Freeroll.....

Now there's a point!!

I am not sure of the specific arrangmeents, but I would imagine Everleaf will fund it and add it to the slate.

We sought assurances on this, months ago. We were assured, 100%, that the Freeroll would be honoured, & go ahead, & I'm sure it will, & as it's "cage money", everything will be fine.

I had very mixed feelings about that Forum Challenge, like you would not belueve. I was lambasted by many for not playing it, but I had my reasons.

In truth, when we narrowly lost it, I was almost relieved, as it was a worry out of the way. A horrible thing to say, but true.

It'll be OK, I'm quite certain, & I wish the Punters Lounge guys the very best, well done to them.

Laughing here, gone off to Punters Lounge Website and see a browser called "Eck"... great minds huh?

In my experience, Malta are much stricter with regards to regulation of internet gaming companies than other jurisdictions *cough*Kahnawake*cough*.

Part VIII, 40 (1) of the Remote Gaming Regulations 2004 requires licensees to keep player funds separately from the licensee's own funds with a financial institution approved by the authority.

Thanks Barry - that's EXACTLY confirms what I was told. I know the Company, & I know the amount owed. Staggering. They were not alone, though.

You should not have a guilt trip about not mentioning it on blonde - it's a very awkward situation.

I'm still a bit wobbly that I've gone public, but sometimes, there comes a time when you just have to draw a line.

this applies to me too. By November, I was promoting the challenge the minimum I could, almost afraid to win it. Not that it happened!

I am not sure I made totally correct decisions (albeit those I made were in good faith) at times over this matter, with respect to continuing the challenge/or not and balancing blonde's need to recover its debt and a duty of care to our members.

Its been a strain for all of us involved at this end, and still we're no closer to recovering our money with ongoing consequences 

yeah see it is scheduled for Sunday so hopefully they don't have any issues, met a load of them last year and there a good bunch.


Except Morlspin obv... ::)

I can honestly say, hand on heart, I don't think Depositors have a worry. I'm not sure, but I think it's OK. We're not, but they are!

Rich, you have nothing to regret. You & I debated this endlessly, we were in a really tough corner.

Your strength was awesome, you are a big man. We have nothing to regret as to how we handled it. We debated, decided, & acted as we saw right.

got a few $s left on Trillion, just off to spin it down.

And now, the PM's are flying in, with Trillion anecdotes & scare stories.

There is such an irony here. I'm always arguing "argue & flame in private, keep these things off-Forum", but it's the other way round here!

To those who have already sent PM's, thank you, & really, I don't blame you for doing it via PM.

I have never trusted anyone who called the child Maxamilion, the same goes for something called Trillion. I for one, have only ever played there once to support blonde and never after that.

I really hope you get your money but all they will be doing now is using any money they do get in to pay to keep themselves going, they wont be interested in paying past debts which don't benefit them at all. If you had some leverage you may be able to persuade them....

Online Poker, in the last 18 months, has had a real cloud over it and I think it all comes down to one word, Trust.

2 years ago I would laugh at the tin foil hat brigade that suggested that your money wasn't safe online, that cheating was rife and said 'what's to stop an online poker room nicking your money?'. I firmly believed online poker didn't have the same shady reputation that a sleazy casino full of nippers sometimes had.

Now I have been let down, shocked, scared and shafted by the online and more 'corporate' side of the poker industry. It started with Superusers and UIGEAs, then moved onto things like those microgaming tusk network skins closing down and a shit load of scandals since it. I've signed up to poker rooms via affliates who promised me the world in rakeback deals and gave me sod all, I've taken months out of my life working for a Euro poker magazine that never paid me and even (though I must say I enjoyed every minute of it) got grimmed by Fergus.

Yet, this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

Trust. Many people I trust, trust him, so until he grims us so shall I.

The fact is until this industry is regulated tightly, I think we all have to take much more time before jumping into any poker agreement, whether its staking someone, working for someone or even just signing up to an online poker room. These days I am very quick to reject all these offers of '65% rakeback $$$$!' or any promises of easy money in poker, because they are often complete bullshit. Nowadays I wont enter any agreement without some sort of recommendation from a trusted friend or at least if the company behind them can be held accountable in some way (Like Sky Poker, they're on the telly n that). I only really play on poker skins where I know or can contact the card room manager easily, more often than not ones where I know them personally. Even then, I never keep more than a few grand in any one card room nowadays, it just is too big a gamble in the current economic climate and the unregulated poker landscape.

I trust Pokerstars (even though I'm banned), I sort of trust Full Tilt but they are starting to become real megalomaniacs with peoples accounts, I think I trust Party, Ladbrokes, Will hill and all the other UK based bookies and if I ever decided to go back to iPoker it would be with Blonde, because of posts like this from Tikay, which keep you informed even if the news aint good.

I think we all need to take much more time, more research and consideration when entering any online poker deal until the industry is regulated (if it ever is) and realise that we are always taking a bit of a gamble before the first card is dealt.

(Or, Poker Trillion, what a bunch of nob-poos, if you want a shorter version of the above post)

Wow that last post was nearly an article, I might flog that

It won't get the money back but arming Bolt with a Molotov will bring a lot of satisfaction!

this an old story? How come you're banned from stars Barry?

I already have. Renamed it, changed a few words. Sent it off

Sorry.

fyp

Tried that.  Ended UP money.  Sigh.

Thanks Trace.

I must stress, that it's my understanding, & belief, that the Poker Trillion Cardroom is quite profitable at the Gross Profit Level. But not at the Net Level.

Gross Profit is amount earned before operating costs, staff, running costs, Network Obligations (Overlays, guarantees), Advertising, etc. Net Profit is what's left. (Yes, you know all this, but others may not).

There is an accounting oddity here, too. By definition, Everleaf are, in effect, whilst not a preferential creditor, they are first in the queue, because they have to pay Poker Trilion the Net Rake (Gross Rake less Network Charges) every month. So if there are Overlays to be paid for, they would simply deduct them at source, so Triliion would not get that Net Rake figure at all. In fact, they'd get nothing, if the Overlay sum was big enough. Well that's my guess - informed guess - anyway.

Some leverage? Lol, no. I've said, I know a lot of the individuals, & believe them to be straight guys. I wish they'd tell me who the "mystery backers" are, but they won't, so that's that. I don't have any "leverage material", & I'd not use it if I did, it's just not my style.

We asked them, again & again, give us some tangible news, tell us when you'll pay, give us some re-scheduled repayment plans. All to no avail. We tried again, & warned them we would seek redress "by all means possible", they just said "here's our Registered Address in Malta". Which we took to mean "sue if you like". It was a bit sad that Andy would not chat to me. He's in a tough spot, I know that, but I assured him, time & again, "this is not personal, it's business".

We al react to problems such as this in different ways. Andy hid, & I feel for him. Not as much as I feel for bonde though, as we have wages to pay, & we have to worry about our own first.

We'll sort it, we'll pay our Team, in full, & blonde will be OK, though changes are becoming more inevitable by the day. £7k would be kinda handy right now, though.

Its about time someone did it to me to be fair, Ive gotten away with it for years.

great line. sounds like the intro to a dave gorman book

Me and a team of players got together and won the sunday million by sharing accounts.

Or, the more boring answer is http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=35010.0

I must say, I think Pokerstars are the greatest Customer Service provider in all of poker, but I think they got this one wrong and I've seen a bunch of threads on 2+2 with the same problem. I'm not paying the amount off in principle.

Echoing exactly I comment I made elsewhere, minutes ago, though I suggested bolty & a Baseball Bat would be more cost-effective.*

* Joke, for the avoidance of doubt. Legal peeps are lurking. ;)

Shoelace has it all tied up with this purler......

These days I am very quick to reject all these offers of '65% rakeback $$$$!' or any promises of easy money in poker, because they are often complete bullshit.

It's all stuff & air. Nobody can afford these ridic numbers. These outfits offering the earth come & go, year after year, as sure as night follows day. I can recall several off the top of my head.

Stick, as Barry says, to Sites who have integrity, visibility, & profile. PLC's & the like cannot pull these stunts.

All the biggies are fine.

FML doubled up

Love to know if we'll cash out successfully.   rotflmfao

Cheers James :D

You'll be OK Dawn. Everleaf could not allow otherwise, otherwise they themselves would be imperilled.

They would be if Dawn got on the phone to them...

Leave it with me.  Contacting the feckers now.   ;)

Marketing opportunity, selling earplugs to Everleaf peeps.

There you go, there's our leverage. Dawn, on her high horse.

God help them.

Sorted, next case.

Poker Trillion = Shady

That whole thing about "hijacking Boss servers" .... It's shame Blonde now has to suffer :(

Send in the repo men Tikay!

Kate: Welcome to Live help, my name is Kate.

Kate: Hi dawn

Dawn: Hi Kate

Kate: How may I help you?

Dawn: some news has come to light that has me concerned regarding Poker Trillion

Dawn: is this live support for just them or a number of sites?

Kate: We offer support for Everleafgaming network, so for all sites that belong to this network, including Poker Trillion

Dawn: well, this has just come up regarding Poker Trillion and many of their customers would like a formal reply based on the information we've received in the following forum post: http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=39725.0

Kate: Let me check this link

Kate: One moment please.

Dawn: OK, thank you

Kate: and i will pass it on to the management

Dawn: Good woman

Kate: :)

Dawn: have told them you're on the case for us

Dawn: cheers

Kate: Yes, Dawn, unfortunately it's not something I can help you with but I will forward this to the management

Kate: You're welcome.

Dawn: fair enough. would be nice to know where we stand

Kate: may i have your email address please?

Kate: or nickname?

Dawn: Laxie1 is my nickname

Kate: thank you

Dawn: not sure which email addy I have registered with you, but I can find it if you like

Kate: on your account it's ********@*****.co.uk

Dawn: that's the one

Dawn: someone will be in touch then, yes?

Kate: yes Dawn

Kate: thank you

Dawn: great stuff, thanks very much for your help

Got to admire the Punters Lounge care of their members. I drew their attention to this thread, they are owed a freeroll.

They lock their thread and then this:

"You have been banned for the following reason:
You speak to me before you start posting crap like that.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

Paul Ross, I miss you already x

Thanks for the information Tikay :(

My balance on Trillion is a lot more than a nitty microstakes freerolling whore would care to admit - so I confess I read your posts from an entirely selfish perspective. I've now requested a withdrawal and waiting with crossed fingers. Unfortunately, I guess with it being Friday Evening, there's not a lot of chance of hearing anthing before early next week (even in "ordinary" circumstances)

Whilst it's comforting to hear that players funds are ringfenced, I keep thinking back to the Microgaming/Tusk situation - I haven't kept up to date with the latest, but so far as I know the players lost their balances when Tusk went under and microgaming wouldn't get involved ...... If microgaming can not sort out Tusk players, then my gut feel is that Everleaf would have far more difficulty sorting out Trillion players (if Maltese regulation is tougher and players funds are ring fenced, that's a relief)

Robert's been banned form a forum?! 

*Giggles

PS  I'm betting they're owed money too.  Just a hunch.

This is all very sad Robert.

I, we, have no issues with Punters Lounge, & never have.

We, in blonde, procrastinated for an age as to our Duty of Care.

It was a very tough call for us. Going public was never intended as a means to pressurise PT into paying - that kite would never fly, in fact it makes recovery harder - we ain't that daft, we know that. But how long, knowing what we know, should we, or other Creditors, keep schtum, while they continue to advertise, &, presumably, sign up new Members, parallel with racking up what I understand to be significant, & mounting, debts?

I suspect they & we are in the same, tough, spot. We decided, eventually, to go the route we did, because we thought the Members (those we encouraged to sign up tp PT) needed to know.

It's possible we chose the wrong road. But PT have not paid, or answered the questions we asked of them. We advised them, again & again, we would seek redress, & inform our Members. They never responded.

I've said it many times. I have no issue with Punters Lounge, & wish them all well. They run their business their way, we ours. That's as it should be.

A cash out question...I have $11 on PT (I left  $11 and withdrew the rest in November 2008, but didn't play the last Forum Challenge event). Anyone want it transferring to them if Im unable to cash out? Just off to PT to see if such a small sum can be cashed. If not anyone who wants it can have it :)

I understand your worry, but, as I've repeatedly said, I think everyone (Players, not creditors) will be just fine.

I'm sorry, but I don't give a toss about the few bucks I have on there as much as I do the amount they've stuffed ye for. 

I believe there is a minimum cashout value of $20.

I Deposited for one of the Forum Challenge Heats, after getting some stick for not supporting the Promotion, & I seem to recall the $20 minimum T & C.

"......A totally unacceptable and needless post has been made about PT on another forum. They then felt the need to post that on here without asking my permission, hence that person is now banned.

The most important thing here is that players funds are not in danger whatsoever.

Whether PT owe PL money is my business as the owner of PL and nobody needs to know anything about, bar me - it's certainly got nothing to do with the members.

I am in contact with PT and we'll see what comes out of that, but I am absolutely adamant, that players funds are not in danger here, so please do not stop playing because of what has been said.

The PL freeroll has also been guaranteed by the network and will go ahead as planned.

I will know more regarding PT in the next week to 10 days.

Please respect the fact I am not allowing replies to this announcement, as it will only serve to escalate a situation that does not involve poker players - it involves website owners......"


It's a matter of opinion if the Posts are "unacceptable & needless". It's unacceptable that they refuse to pay their creditors though.

And "they", being blonde as a Company, did not Post on Punters Lounge about the matter. Individual Members did, which is entirely a matter for them.

I have said on countless occasions, I believe Players money is safe. But under the circumstances, I belive Duty of Care to our Members required us to make them aware.

This would never have been an issue if they had paid us. They did not, so it's all got a bit messy, & unpleasant. We are a Ltd Company, with Shareholders, & we have a fiduciary duty to behave in a responsible manner as to these debts.

".....I will know more regarding PT in the next week to 10 days......"

Us, too. But that week to 10 days has lasted 7 months now.

It is a great line...that's why I hacked into Dave's account and posted it :)

I had a joke $3 left in the account, wanted to dump it and erase the software. $10 now FML.

Do you want my $11 then? You can cash out 20?

Question - do they ever send players to the wsop? If so do any of their suits go out? If so I suggest that Blonde take legal action against them for the money owed and, when it's not paid after the court case, advise immigration and the powers that be that they have a judgement against them and see if they are less happy to let them in the country.

Or something similar along those lines....just a thought. If you can't get paid get mad and even.

Forum does deal with poker site - encourages members to play there then, when there are legitimate concerns about the financial stability of the company, it's 'got nothing to do with the members'...

I would suggest that the PL forum members may take a different view - I certainly prefer the Blonde way of doing things.

is Robert Cooper not one of the owners?

God Bless you Andrew. That sums up the dilemma Rich & I have been wrestling with for months.

In truth, we messed up - we should have pulled the plug months ago. But that was well awkward, because the blondes were part way through a Freeroll with a Value of $5,000 to them. So we were in a bit of a corner, really, &, on reflection, we got it wrong. If only we'd known we would lose the Forum Challenge!

I take full responsibility for not fessing up earlier. It was a tricky one, & I dithered.

But earlier, later, it comes to the same thing. They should have honoured their debts, then all this would have been avoided.

You can't go round in life deliberately knocking people for money, eventually it all comes out on top. We spoke first. Others will follow.

It was my understanding that, pre-September, Achilleas & Robert were joint investors/backers.

Achilleas told me he was no longer involved or connected, since 5 or 6 months back, & I assume Robert - another good friend to me down the years - would act in concert with Achilleas. So if Achilleas is not involved now - & he he is not, because he told me so, in a 'phone call, then ditto Robert. 

God, this is all so uncomforatble, talking about friends in this manner. What a mess.

IMO if they were good friends they would roll up their sleeves and see what they can do to get you more information. Try and help you, get their hands dirty to see what they can find out for you. It's what any good friend would do.

Sorry but I would.

$10 sng? Winner gets to cash out lol


(my $3 is $14+ now, can't get rid of money!)

i would have thought that Achilleas being a billionaire an all would have preferred to dig some pocket change out the back of the sofa rather than let his name be dragged into all this. Cooper is very wealthy as well isn't he?

must be the credit crunch

Simon, I tried to send you my $14.56 so I could close down without giving them more rake, you staked me in the league once so you deserve it lol. However you need $21 to initiate a transfer so neither of us can do it yet, going to spin it up a bit more lol. The daft thing is I never deposited, all the league fees were from their freerolls except for your stake.

I have to disappear for the evening now, I'll answer the ppsts by Byron, & Ding, & any others, after I've finished, just after midnight.

Both those two ask & make very reasonable points, it's actully quite relevant, but I don't have time to answer properly now.

Later.

Promise not to cause any trouble whilst you're away

i have my own business and i think tikay has acted in the proper manner. If i thought a company i dealt with was iffy i would give a heads up to anyone i thought was exposed to a loss of any amount. I always give people the the benefit of the doubt, but once you get messed around as trillion have done to blonde, its time to warn others.

it would be unlucky to get banned from 2 forums in one night admittedly..... ::)

I'm off out, by the time I get back I'd like plans made, maps copied, tunnels dug, and conclusions drawn as to how to get Trillion to pay their debts. Have fun! 

Distributed my $11 to 10/20 cent PLO table, some odd hands.... made second nut str8 and bet pot and nut st8 no flush possible or FH, called after dwell and then slowrolled me, players are welcome to the site..

I would like to say I hope Blonde manage to recover money owed, i haven't deposited or played for money on ANY site for over 2 years now (finances/situations dictate), but Blonde and it's members have been like family to me during my time in Asia and on my return and I don't appreciate people crapping on them.

Good Luck Tony, Rich and everyone else involved.

Classy players on the site, will miss them:


BrieflyPT: wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
peppe821: U ARE A *****
BrieflyPT: and i love you xx
peppe821: *****
peppe821: F U
BrieflyPT: lol
peppe821: T ATRI E NA PULLA
peppe821: PUTTANA
peppe821: CAPISCI
peppe821: QUANNU
peppe821: PARRU
peppe821: FIGGHI
peppe821: I TROIA
BrieflyPT: English please
peppe821: ********
peppe821: CAINO
peppe821: *****
BrieflyPT: I like to read the tilt
peppe821: MAIAL
peppe821: E PORCO
BrieflyPT: shhh counting your chips

Going well then?   rotflmfao

Rob, are you going to stop once you've raked £7k, or are you going for £7k in rakeback?

I've given up, dumped the lot and uninstalled.

I spun mine up and requested cash out.  Will let ya know once I have it.

Holding Breath?

Laxie ... Holding breath ??


You have never met her then ?

What does Spacefrog think about all this? That's what I want to know.

lol

hmmm

players money safe

i feking hope so

Hugh

ShockABS ON BLONDE
AND FOR NOW ShockABS on TRILLION

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Live support aren't going to know anything about all this.

Always this drama on Blonde.

I like this. With women also, same thing evryday is no good. Breakfast as well no?



Some mec no pay Spacefrog, I make his name dirty. Business is busines, Spacefrog take care of business.

Wow what  a bunch of shysters,fecking w@nkers,

I can fully understand blondes position in this especially as the last couple of months of the sponsorship had to run,its a bit like when i was working for a company that was on the way down which already owed me 1000's Dilemma time did i just stop working for them to which i knew I'd never get the monies owed or did i carry on in the hope that it would all get resolved but increasing the debt,very awkward choice dammed if you do damned if you don't and as Blonde encouraged their members to join in this and play it really must have been tough decision,not to pull it b4 the deadline.

 financially you might not have done the right thing but morally you can hold your heads up high.....

off to check now how much i left on there......

Can you all wait untill i ve got my money out please

gl Tikay, Tighty and all in your ongoing negotiations.

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

And one feels not being honest with their members either.

Geo

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Tikay chairs the Trillion financial remuneration meeting..........................

lol - gotta be allowed in as a late entry!

Thankyou sir. ;hattip;

either the money is ringfenced and its safe, or the money is already in a bunch of caribbean accounts whereby you wont ever see it again. It doesn't matter what happens from here. Your fate is already determined. Your account has travelled 22 years to get here. And now it's here. And it's either heads or tails

Right, I'm gonna try & pick up a few of the points everyone has raised, starting here.

It depends on the definition of "good friends". Achilleas has aways been very kind & generous to me, & there is a story about him I will Post on my diary shortly, as it's not really appropriate for this thread. But he acted, on that occasion, in an exceedingly honourable manner, in a betting/gambling debt matter that he was not responsible for.

I suppose I'd be classed as a casual, or social,  friend of his, rather than a true friend. Real friends - it depends on how you define it - but I have about 3 in the world. I would expect those three to sort it. He is not one of those three.  This is business, money, & you know how it is, they don't generally mix well. Achilleas is a stunningly successful businessman, & a very personable individual. He's not involved any more, so that's that really.

I rang him, no reply, I left a message, he called back within minutes. He was, it seemed, open & helpful, up to a point. He said he was not involved any more, so I never pressed him further.

I have no issues, or problems, with Achilleas, or Robert, so far as I am aware.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

Byron, you do ask the most interesting & thoughtful questions. Because that is EXACTLy how & why I came to ring him.

Someone "in the loop" suggested exactly what you said - he'd rather settle it from loose change, than have his name smeared.

But he told me he was not involved any more, had not been for many months, so he had no reason to stump up. Why should he? I was kinda hoping he might, actually, I do confess, but I cannot argue with the facts he gave me, & I have no complaints with him. None at all.

Credit Crunch affecting him? It's affecting everybody, & it's all relatuve. He deals in whopping numbers, so yes, I expect he's wincing a bit. We discussed this, in general terms, but that's not for here really. He'll get by, I fancy. ;)

With things like this emotion is bound to come into peoples thinking as that's what life is all about... I think many of us here value the community spirit so wnen I read elsewhere that the OP on this thread was "totally unacceptable and needless" it winds me up, as I disagree, and it feels like an attack against someone we all know works so hard for this forum and poker in general. So if he's not looking for a war of words as you state why throw such accusations?

Good luck with whatever you need to do before allowing your members to discuss this topic.

I am afraid you have whooshed me completely there. Can you, or anyone else, expand on what that means, please?

Lol, there's no need, in my view, to withdraw. I've voiced that view, & a justificaton for it, many times.

errm, he's saying that he hopes his money is safe

shockabs is his username if that's the bit that's whooshing you

I can pick up this one with the earlier the eariler posts made by BigFella & Geo the Sarge.

We don't have ny issues with Punters Lounge, never have. We respect other Poker Forums, & have a policy of geting along with them all, no cross-spamming, etc. That includes Punters Lounge.

They were, arguably,  rather brusque with Robert today, which I'm sad about, but that was Robert, not blonde. Robert can handle that. PL can do as they wish, it's their Forum.

".....Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months......"

Well no, that's disingenous. I never said that. I said the debt stretched back 7 months. People often pay a month or two late, three even, so it's 3 months down the line before alarm bells start ringing.

We became uneasy in, I guess, October or so. And we started probing, & debating, how to handle it then. A process I hope PL do not have to go through - I really do.

Some weeks ago, I made some subtle enquiries about Trillion's other alleged creditors, including, but not only, Punters Lounge. I got the message back, via an intermediary, "PL are not aware of any payment issues". Fair enough, that was the message I got. I was just compiling my dossier - it's a hefty one - & trying to fit all the evidence together.

I reiterate, we have no issues with Punters Lounge at all. I hope they escape unscathed.

Oh, I see. I thought it was an abbreviation for "shock absorber", and a reference to a bumpy ride ahead.

Part of my brain is almost genius like (a very little part of it...), the rest is Premium Grade Donkey. There is no in-between bit, that's empty.

Thanks Tony

Ive spoken to Rob tonight and im going to address the issues asap

I agree, it seemed a little harsh to me. But we all see things different, because we stand in different places.

Rich did have some MSN chat with a PL Suit today. To be honest, it never went terribly well. They think we are out of line. Fair enough, that's their right to think that. Time may tell they are right. Or wrong.

You too, Mr Morl Sir, & it's all very sad, this friend v friend thing. It's what happens when the wheels fall off.

I hope you are well, & in good heart.  I have a whole bunch of friends at PL, & nothing has changed this end.

Credit to morlspin for posting. I also hope PL get this sorted out to their satisfaction.

Your spot on mate, not nice seeing things like this happen to anyone let alone friends.

Im doing great thanks, will probably bump into you at one of the sky poker events coming up or at the virgin festival in newcastle if your there. Hope your well yourself too, last time i saw you, we were in Caesars Palace and you were a little worse for wear before the 11.30pm tourney lol

In fact, if you wind the clock back 24 hours, our positions were identical.

The difference is this. We began to smell a rat, & agonised over whether "Duty of Care" v our Debt meant we should fess up to our members as to the problem. With hindsight, I wish we had done so earlier. I accept responsibility for that. Luckily, no harm came to anyone except the Company. (blonde).

It would seem to me, reading between the lines today, that either PL do not have any payment problems from Trillio (http://www.pokertrillion.com/?bonus=blonde)n (http://www.pokertrillion.com/?bonus=blonde), or they do, & are not as up to speed with the severity of the situation as we are.

It matters not, really, though it would be kinda useful if we could work together, as a Team, to collate info & move the thing forward to a successful settlement for everybody. I had hoped that would be the case, but PL have batted that away, on the front foot, so that's that. It changes nothing.

Agreed, 100%. Graeme is trying to be constructive, not obstructive.

Worse for wear? I'm teetotal!

Though you may mean literally, tired & dishevelled, which may be true. I had a ball out there, but I spent 18 hours a day working, 4 hours a day sleeping, & 6 hours a day playing poker. Somehow, it never worked out right.

All i can remember from that night was you running back into the cardroom for your tournament slip,saying you were bloody nackered and never got one off them and then some bad play from a fat american kid who destroyed my trip aces on the fllop with his all in move with nothing....only to hit runner runner 4 card flush in the 3rd hand to send me to the rail.

All the best Tony, see ya soon, im off to kip!

"Business is business, its seldom clean and always dirty, thats why we all love it"

Richard M Hare Nov 2007

he was also saying before how justice had been done in this situation.......

gtfo, WHO the hell r u!

Every1s just trying to put it in my eye obv.

Stop typing and win the 75f imo

DONE, weeeeeeeeeeee.

Did you receive a confirmation email for your cash out? I didn't. Usually do! <-- Obv Brag LOL

Nope.  Just checked and not received an email.  Also checked Neteller and it's not there either.  I'm sure we'll get it...after a week or two of red tape and hassle.

I've no doubt the money is safe with Everleaf, but I have a problem with donating another red cent to Trillion in rake.  They don't deserve it.  Suppose that's my choice and that's why I want the money out. 

Havent read the thread, got a rough idea of what's going on

pay up or im coming round to fuck everyone up.

From what I remember cash out requests always took a day or so until you got confirmation email - plus it's now weekend, so best wait for Mon or Tues. And YES, I did cash out a few times, amazingly ;-)

This is exactly what I was thinking judging by the speed of response, and severity of response, to Roberts post.   

In the past my cash out confirmation emails have arrived promptly, even at the weekend!

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Why do you think your money is safe with everleaf ?

for info i tried to chash max per day $500 dollars this transaction was cancelled
 
was told i needed to send proof of id needed (passport / credit card )
these documents have now been verified

so put new tranaction for $500 through on wedmesday 21 st

it still shows as pending !

fortunately / unfortunately i have more than $500 on there and am waiting for first transaction to go through before gettiing rest of roll off

so today i dont share the idea the players money is safe   

You forgot to highlight where I expect them to give us a week or two of red tape and hassle before we get it.   ;)

   Oh dear oh dear,well i sent a cashout request for my remaining funds(appox $800) so fingers crossed, did get a little heads up about this from a fellow forummer a whille back so had cashedout out a fair bit previously.(ty you know i'am grateful).
   Anyway from a inital deposit of $200 i've withdrawn around 8k over the past few months(blatant brag imo) so i am really disappointed if trillion goes tits up,anyone know of any "safe" everleaf platform to keep playing on?
Col.

Don't beat yourself up about the delayed announcement Tikay. I imagine going public was the last resort option.

Last resort - refers to an action that is used only when no other option remains

So there's no sense in saying you fired your last bullet late in the day...cos if it wasn't late in the day it wouldn't have been a last resort would it?

As poker players we make a big fuss when people get grimmed, and rightly so. Obv I appreciate the duty of care mentality, but it's also good to know who's doing the grimming, and consequently who lacks class. PT is nothing more than Fergus in a tie. Am I wrong?

According to this quote from Mr Ross at Punters Lounge

Please respect the fact I am not allowing replies to this announcement, as it will only serve to escalate a situation that does not involve poker players - it involves website owners.

It doesnt involve poker players !!


Ps I have opened a book

What colour is the sky on Mr Ross' planet

4/6 pink
10/11 green
6/4 lemon

PT$20 on lemon pls

Thats a really generous book you have got there Kev, 150%+ overround ftw.

LOL ... A bit like blonde, I aint a fkin charity ;)

    Well i got to this thread late due to friday drinking patterns so i immediately attempted to cash out.The withdrawal page looked different to normal,however i have received the usual everleaf email saying my transaction was in process so maybe a glimmer of hope for the likes of me and SHOCKabs.Anyone in deeper than $793?I'am assuming my rakeback/points are are gone so thats another hundred odd bucks aswell.
    BTW i have no ill feelings towards Blonde in this matter,i only hope you can somehow get what your owed,if the forum was damaged by these missing payments i'd be gutted.

so maybe a glimmer of hope

No no no! You should not speak like that. Please.

As has been carefully explained, the money you have "on Deposit" sits with Everleaf, or "The Cage", but certainly not Trillio (http://www.pokertrillion.com/?bonus=blonde)n (http://www.pokertrillion.com/?bonus=blonde).

if the forum was damaged by these missing payments I'd be gutted

Permission to be gutted granted. We are £7k adrift, & Trillion don't seem to be able, or willing, to pay us a penny. Bit naughty, really.

I just checked and I didnt get am email either.

I had $4 in played a $3.30 turbo for a $25 seat in the $4k Guaranteed had no rebuy or add on option so played like a donkey finished 9th for $140 job done cashed out.  Thank you to Lord Jasper whom I believe is a member here for recognising that fact that I am a donkey lol ;-)

I dont think/almost sure Lordjasper is not a blonde but if you want to give him/her some stick I can point you in the right direction of the forum he /she does post on ;-)

25/01/2009  08:33:20  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  hello, im here now

25/01/2009  08:33:30  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  why r u having a 5000$ freerol

25/01/2009  08:33:36  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  when ur company owes 10,000$ out

25/01/2009  08:35:44  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr

25/01/2009  08:35:46  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  wrong

25/01/2009  08:36:28  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  poker trillion = busto?

25/01/2009  08:36:51  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  dom  can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?

25/01/2009  08:37:05  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  I play on PT

25/01/2009  08:37:16  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  and im a member of blond forum

25/01/2009  08:37:21  dom  Colin - www.pokertrillion.com  blonde*

Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....

How is this kind of conversation useful to anyone?

It's helped with my Grammar

Hi all,

I was hoping to keep quiet until I know exactly what the score is next week, but as Dom has partially quoted me from an MSN chat, I think I need to say something now. The full chat is posted beneath....

But to re-iterate.....

Yes the financial future of Trillion Ltd is questionable.

No, Players will not lose out in any way. The players are part of the ELG network which is in a sound financial position and is a EU gaming licenese holder (Malta LGA)

Also, I have been told by the network that players offers including points, league points (and potential prizes) and any live events they are saving for will be honoured. You have to remember if the PT players go, then the network would be a potential big loser.

This will not happen.

I am meeting with the network owners next week when it should become a lot clearer. I have also offered my time to ELG to work with them to ensure some continuity for the PT players.

As for the money which is owed to Blonde..... I have spoken with Tikay and said I will help Blonde in every way I can to ensure they can recover what they are owed. If Trillion Ltd did fold (and this is not certain) then I also am a creditor.

I am not speaking in an official capacity. I am not a director or any official officer of Trillion Ltd, just employed as marketing and operations manager.

So, please, if you are happy with PT currently (in the poker room sense) then there is no reason to withdrawal or stop playing.

Your money, deposits, withdrawals, poker points, potential future live event tickets and league prizes are 100% safe.

I don't think there is anything else I can add at this stage, and as soon as there is some more news, I will let you know.

Thanks

Col

dom says:
u there
dom says:
u there
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
hello, im here  now
dom says:
why r u having a 5000$ freerol
dom says:
when ur company owes 10,000$ out
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
I am hoping to find out exactly what is happening next week, however the freeroll is being paid for by the network, not PT, and it was won by the players. Whilst we overcome our current financial problems, we will work with the network to ensure that none of our players lsoe out in any way - if the freeroll was cancelled, then the players who won it would have lost out, and that would have been wr
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
wrong
dom says:
poker trillion = busto?
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
can i ask who you are, are you a creditor of PT?
dom says:
I play on PT
dom says:
and im a member of blinds forum
dom says:
blonde*
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
righty, the finacnial future of PT (the company) is uncertain, but should become clear next week. If the company did fold (and this is not certain) then the players would be accomadated by the ELG network, who have already said the current offers would be honoured, including any accumulated poker points and of course their actual balances
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
I have also told the network I would be willing to work with them if this was the case..... I too am a credtior of PT....
dom says:
ok
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
thanks, am here if you have any more questions, but above all, players funds / points and offers are 100% safe.....
dom says:
can i pass this info on
Colin - www.pokertrillion.com says:
it has been passed on already, nothing new here. Some of the forum owners are selective with the info they publish...... Nothing like a scare story about players loosing funds to get visitors
dom says:
ok
dom says:
interesting

A+ btw

YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkWSvT8-ZI

No, Players will not lose out in any way

Clearly lots of PT players also use the Blonde forum to improve their skills and enhance their enjoyment of the game. If Blonde were to fold because of the money you owe them how will PT players not lose out in any way?

Hi Col,

I have business to attend to today, on the South Coast, so I'm pushed for time right now. But I'd like to clarify a few things.

 Some of the forum owners are selective with the info they publish...... Nothing like a scare story about players loosing funds to get visitors

I hope that does not refer to blonde - we have stressed, again & again, that in our view, Players Funds are not at risk. We have published facts - that PT owe us £7,000, not scare-stories.

So I'm curious what Forums you were referring to, though. Punters Lounge have not allowed the matter to be debated, & I have yet to see it anywhere else.

So what Forums are publishing "scare stories", please?

Colin thank you for posting
i wish you and all other trillion staff well and can understand these must be difficult times for you
Tikay and others have said playes money should be safe and you have repeated the same
however i have no knowledge of the present financial situation of everleaf and cannot understand why everyone assumes players money is safe
eu license bla bla bla
i am sure those involved in northern rock received the same assurances  more recently zavvi were selling gift vouchers up to the end
these same vouchers are not now  useable

i guess what i am trying to say is in present circumstances it would be prudent for all players on all sites to hold as little as possible in there accounts
after all the banks are safe Lol

If and when you are speaking to everleaf an assure from an official of that company on players funds would be more useful

Requested a cash out a few days ago and as yet have not even received an email confirmation of same, let alone my money.

Funds safe or not, I refuse to play there until they pay blonde what they owe them.

Valued comments.

I representative of ELG I understand has or will attempt to contact Tikay soon. I have also made them aware of this thread.

Regarding withdrawal payments at ELG, and completely unrelated.....

ELG have been changing their payment processors this week, which has resulted in a small delay to some deposits and withdrawals. The changes are for security reasons as the new platform will now incorporate 3D security (this is when you are diverted to your banks website and you are asked to enter a private code).

This change also means ELG will be able to accept UK Maestro cards direct.

I have been told that all outstanding transactions will be dealt with Monday.

Can't argue with anyone who's advice is not to leave too much money in one place these days, however PT's continuation or failure has no bearing on player's funds. They have never been held by PT, either now or in the past and like any responsible site, players funds are completely seperate from running costs.

Col

So, please, if you are happy with PT currently (in the poker room sense) then there is no reason to withdrawal or stop playing

pls tell me any poker player that is going to be happy with grimming? The culture of grimming is not something poker players enjoy hearing about and will deffo affect how they view PT in a poker sense. Telling another business you can't pay because times are tough cos of a recession is no defence for grimming, that other business is in the same boat. And it's probably a much smaller boat than the one you're in.

YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_AJ0SkbPxAk

Tony,

Not directed at you at all.

I was under the kosh at the time as I was being fired questions on MSN. On my mind for some reason was the 'Tusk' situation. This was not said in public, and I only posted the whole conversation, as I didn't want any wrong conclusions to be drawn after I was 'partially' quoted.

Your clarification of your confidence is players funds is both accurate and appreciated, and it really was not meant as a dig at you guys at all.

Col

I thought that comment was disingenuous.  If it wasn't in reference to blonde, that should have been stated - if it was in reference to blonde then it's at best churlish.  The suggestion is that the blonde owners decided to post the situation between blonde and PT in order to garner more visitors to the site.

Like I said, if it's not directed at the blonde poker forum, then it really should be explicitly stated.  Otherwise what are people supposed to infer from your comment?

YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MFbd8KORzc4

Further to the Post by Col, aka blonde Member "Poker Trilllion", I'd comment further.

I am assuming that Col will acknowledges that I have been extremely discrete hitherto. He & I have exchanged reams of e-Mails & spoken on the 'phone for an age.

I'd like to ask a few questions of Colin. They are, perhaps, a little impertinent, but under the circumstances, I think they are fine.

1) The Staff of Poker Trillion are yourself, & Andy Pyrah. How many months is it since either of you received wages - 3, 4, 5?

2) Is it true that the Poker Trilion Trade Creditors include (I'll not specifically name them) the Poker Print Media (3 magazines at least), Poker Websites (more than one....),  Staff, & Everleaf?

3) Who are the financial backers, &/or Directors, of Poker Trillion? I understand the spot you are in, but it's not credible to suggest you do not know who you work for.

I'm very grateful that you have been, I think, & up to a point, open & honest with me. But I think you need to go a little further.

I'm here, busily reassuring Players that their money is safe on Poker Trillion, as Everleaf, in effect, hold it, & guarantee it.

But I believe Poker Trillion may

....have run up debtors to Trade Creditors in the last 5 months in that run into 6 figures.

.....have not received a cent of income during that period, it having been withheld at source by Everleaf to satisfy Network Charges, Guarantees, Reload Bonuses, & Overlay.

Can you comment on those scenarios, please?

Finally, I'd be interested in your views on the ethicacy of running a business which is accumulating debts to trade creditors, parallel with having zero income.

I sort of regret putting you in a spot here Col. But there is a mountain of debt at stake here, the £7k owed to blonde is but a fraction of the total. This is a very serious matter.

I do think that the Poker Community - who, blonde apart, seem wholly relaxed about this Poker Trillion debacle - need to be aware of the enormity of this affair. You are running a business that has no income, unless I am mistaken. And businesses like blonde are paying for that.

Thanks Col, I appreciate that clarification, & I understand the pressure you were under during that MSN Convo.

I gotta go now, have a good day!

The comment about scare stories and who's to blame for them is interesting. Does anyone need to be told Fergus can't be trusted...or has he simply demonstrated that himself? The uncertainty about whether Fergus can be trusted is down to nobody but Fergus and the way he conducted himself...not what someone said about him. As soon as you know the facts of the matter it makes "scare stories" irrelevant...because as rational adults you can see the reality is the fact of grimming is the scare story, not any comment about the grimming. If PT grim people then any assurance that money is safe with PT is ridic lip-service imo. Fergus may have only grimmed once or twice and could be backed by Richard Branson for all I care...but I still wouldn't lend the kid any money, depite his assurances.

Tony,

In short, I do not mind you asking these questions. The real truth is I do not know the answers. I have some hunches, but that's all they are, and more speculation is not whats needed.

What I can tell you is this:

I have not received a wage for 4 months. The reason I am still here is because I wrongly beleived it was 'on it's way' I also love my job and feel a duty of service to the players.

I tendered my resignation to Trillion last week and will be here for the next week.

I have offered to work with ELG in the future and am meeting with them next week to discuss a route forward.

I do not know what is owed or to who. I only found out what was owed to Blonde after Tony told me the other day.

I am not a director, shareholder or officer of PT, just a mere employee and I was not privvy to such information. I never had access to the bank accounts and never dealt with invoicing in any way shape or form. I am trying to find out answers to many of the same questions.

There has already been speculation as to who Trillions backers were. I can confirm (to the best of my knowledge) that Trillion has not had any financial backing in any way shape or form for some months, hence the current situation.

The company is a Maltese LTD company and I understand the director/s names are on public records, although I have not looked as to who they are. I might get more answers here after my meeting with the network, as there must have been some contract.

Andrew Pyrah is the CEO of Trillion Ltd.

Despite me having little/any reason to continue to talk up PT, I am sure players funds are safe and have every confidence in the network, which itself has seen excellent growth recently, as well as a host of improvements to the poker clients.  Once I have had my meeting with the network next week I will report back.

Col

Talking up PT would be a difficult job I imagine cos poker players have this thing about +EV decisions. Grimming creditors is a -EV decision. Grimming employees is a -EV decision. Allowing this to go public and it costing PT much more than the 7k owed to Blonde is a -EV decision. PT letting the marketing & operations manager stagger on in a blind haze about marketing & operational issues e.g. non-payment of debts, is a -EV decision. So difficult to suggest financial dealings with PT is a +EV decision nomatter who you are. Should we think PT management is +1 and would have ring-fenced players funds in a water-tight manner. That would be +EV thinking...and there's no evidence of that here. Saying some monies are safe when other monies eg debts and wages are not is unconvincing. Paying the 7k would be convincing.

[  ] Editing this MSN didn't make you look like a tool
[  ] It is helpful when random people start string the pot
[X] This Collin guy is the only point of contact anyone seems to have with Trillion, it might not be a good idea to start harassing him.

Are they having me on?!  Well, finally heard back from them regarding my withdrawal request to my Neteller account.  They'll make the transfer once I send them a copy of photo ID...ok, no problem.  But they also want a copy of the front and back of my credit card!!!  Ummmm, I don't think so.  Don't expect to see that money now.  GG Trillion.   

Laxie,

Could you forward that email to colin@pokertrillion.com please. There is no way support should need card details for a NETeller transaction.

When card details are required, we do suggest that all apart from the last 4 numbers are hidden.

Hope you can give me the opportunity to resolve this for you.

Col

They said the first 4 and last 4 numbers had to been seen and never mentioned hiding the special security numbers on the back.  That's far more information than I'm willing to part with.  Sending it on to you now.  Cheers Colin.

Thanks,

Leave it with me. I will get back to you on Monday once I have reslolved.

Col

lol, this is genius.

just a small pointer, the next time you edit a convo make all the lines look the same, at least give people a chance to believe it. deleting the time stamp off the last line when you cut out the middle of the conversation is just a schoolboy error

rotflmfao..See Flushy spotted the editted MSN convo as well... also see he's cleared up his own typo (blinds)..and replaced it with another typo (blond).

Class.

[ ] Faked MSN convos are impressive.
[ ] I noticed it was eddited.

[ ] boldie can spell

http://london.floodlight.co.uk/london/course-details-reviews/croydon-adult-learning-and-training-(calat)/efl-english-as-a-foriegn-language-level-1-upper-intermediate/16180339/28913824/course-info.html

No need for thanks Herr boldie


(as long as he can read form I don't care)

Thank you, kind Sir.

Form is all I can read. :)

I think perhaps a few blonde members should get off Colins back, none of this is his fault, and a bit of common courtesy and respect should not be too much to ask.

Send him a pm, he will answer and he will help.

+1 he's helping despite not being paid for months and unlikely to ever see any of his unpaid wages from PT

please send my password :)

agreed its kevs job to be got at

here goes

wheres my t shirt

Cant afford any til that bloody Colin bloke coughs up £7k !! ;)


Seriously though, apart from attention seeking reasons, why would anyone be screaming about their accounts and their withdrawals on this thread  when Colin has a 100% record for helping all forum members who have had problems with their accounts and withdrawals before via Pm.

Password please me nickname is IloveYou1

IloveYou2 but there are no passwords to give, read the whole thread.

are u after the fee roll password

   
What conversation? I played 4 games in the top year and would like to receive a password and this tournament

password for what ?

Your just jealous imo  ;)

I haven't posted on here since all of what i would say has already been said,but i agree though it's good of the guy to try and help when he hasn't got much reason to since he's owed money to.Hope blonde manage to recoup some/all of the money.

Just recieved this PM from a new guy.

Don't they teach them pesky kids spelling anymore?

Obv, reffered him to Kev for the PW.

Tried PL forum?

and here's me thinking I was special and got the only one.................... brb (looks for ban stick)

seriously kev i totally agree i have thanked Colin for responding on this thread

my perspective is this

Blonde have a trade debt of £7k owed by trillion
i assume funds are needed therefore there are potential future issues for blonde if debt not payed
on a serious scale this is an 8 in my book cant rate it higher as i don't know enough about blondes finances and therefore what impact could be
i as previously stated have been fortunate to run good on trillion for a month or so have a balance over $1 k
i have requested a cash out and will wait to see if i get it

how serious do i consider this maybe a 5

poker is not my living the money is mostly winnings if i didn't get it ha ho mortgage will still be payed food will still be provided
life will go on

i do appreciate Colin is about to lose his job and under the circumstances admire the fact that he comes on here at all and having not been paid is still
trying to resolve issues so i wish him well
For him on the serious scale this must be 9.99 only not a ten because no one is dead

that leaves the small matter of a blonde t shirt

serious scale  0.1 i think i will not go cold without it
and what u never had u cant miss
and finally i trust u kev so am sure it will turn up one day

There are NOT potential issues for blonde, we don't owe anyone a brass farthing. that's why it stings when other companies etc, don't pay us on time ..or in some case at all ;)

We grind on, as ever but with a clear conscience.

Ive had to do the 'front and back thing' on a couple of websites for withdrawal, not uncommon...  Although they did say I could black out the numbers, apart from the last 4...

what happens if you dont have a card and thats why your using neteller?

asking for a cardnumber when withdrawing to Neteller is idiotic.

yep for a minute i thought they had employed you

it would explain why they are going busto.

Apart from yourselves obv - and that matters. None of you are a charity and it's lovely that you put yoursleves last but you all deserve to be paid too. x

For what it's worth I feel that the apparent head in the sand approach by PL appaling. I would like to think that had another forum been disadvantaged in the way we have, that we would have something to say about it and voice our views to the site involved.

Any voice however small can grow to become heard by the people that matter, or at least lead to an affect on their pockets that makes them face their responsibilities. Disgruntled views from PL would add fuel to the fire and by not allowing their members to even enter into a debate about it is staggering.

[ ] GG PL

[ ] Thanks for your concern

PL are only trying to protect their interest. They are taking the course of action that they think is most likely to get them their money. Their way of dealing with this is different from Blonde, but no less valid.

I echo what many have already noted - all things considered, it's great credit to Colin for coming on here & explaining what he can.

Sadly, he appears to have only limited knowledge.

Andy Pyrah, normally the most efficient & business-like individual, & a good pal for years, has gone AWOL, & won't talk to us or me.

So PT sail on merrily, ignoring their creditors, & continuing to take Player Deposits.

Meanwhile, I iwas idly leafing through a poker mag today, & in a January Issue was a huge, full-page advertisement for Poker Trillion. $100k of Guaranteed Tourneys this month, huge reload bonuses. Marvellous.

None of this is Colin's responsibility though. What a tough spot he is in.

Just read the post and really sorry to see what has happened

Will add the link to our forum so that other poeple can see this, seeing as we start a league there next month!

Hope you get it sorted and the funds you are owed

BurnleyJoe

Hi Joe,

Who, if I may ask, are "we", as in "we start a League there next month".

And, a League with whom - Poker Trillion?

Did not want to spam

Im one of the mods on Poker Utd and we have a weekly league that runs for 10 weeks starting on the 5th Feb and it will be run on Poker Trillion

Good grief. Fortune favours the brave.

Good Luck Joe.

Having though about it a bit more I could possibly see PL's point about keeping schtum before their $5k freeroll - they might not want to rock the boat until their players have been able to play in it, win some money, and cash out.

Also, full credit to Colin for continuing to try and help players this week, even though he knows he's working for free. I have to say I would have been out the door the first time the wages went missing (once bitten, twice shy with employers going bust).

One presume's also that if they're owed money too they might think that to rock the boat might prejudice their chances of getting paid.

If Col doesn't come on here to try and help, the peanut gallery all chirp "where is trillion when the going gets tough".. when they DO come and answer Q's, the very same gallery start taking the piss and making "hilarious" comments.

as for this:


if theres one thing you can g'tee, its that people on here will have someting to say about it.

What a mess...I likeTrillion and play there regular but I simply will not play there again until blonde has been paid what is owed.

Just a quick follow up on withdrawals.......

A credit card proof would not be required for a NETeller withdrawal if the deposit was via NETeller. However, if the deposit was via a card and the withdrawal was via NETeller then it needs to be seen.

Once ELG's new payment platform with 3D security is up and running, then such proofs will not be necessary as the 3D security process double verifies the owner.

Col

What's a peanut gallery?

So its just a matter of time before PT goes busto officially and blonde get screwed. All of a sudden they panic where people are alerted to the fact they owe everyone money? so lame.

(http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/peanuts_gang.png)

I think only Snoopy posts on here.

For the record, my withdrawal has been processed and I can see it in Neteller (with no bureaucracy or problem) - pretty impressive/quick, especially given the circumstances.

Mine came though as well. Though I forgot that I hate Neteller (who want to charge £5 for a £15 withdrawal).

Genuinely gutted for you Colin - it seems that you're probably one of the biggest losers (as an individual) in all this - massive kudos to you for coming in here and facing the hordes. I hope it works out for you, either with ELG or elsewhere :)

It was I who made the comparison with Tusk, (though I am not a "forum owner", nor indeed even a moderator any more) however with withdrawals continuing to be processed, the comparison doesn't appear valid, and with hindsight I perhaps shouldnt have made such a comparison - apologies if it caused upset. It perhaps says more about Microgaming and their regulation (Gibralter?) than PokerTrillion and ELG.

I'm a member of Punters Lounge. I'm not going to comment on PL's stance, that's a decision made by the Owner and it is for him to defend or not as he so wishes.

What I do want to comment on is Colin of Poker Trillion. I am amazed by your posts Colin. I'm pretty damn certain that 99.9% of poker room employees would slink away and say nothing if they were faced with similar circumstances. You are a man of integrity, sir, and I wish you the very best for the future.

+1

To recognise a man of integrity I think you really have to be one so ColU_FC perhaps you can raise this issue again with PL. Anyone who runs a business has the final say but surely they should listen to their members and run a democratic forum? Why is he so frightened of reasoned debate?

If your employer hasn't paid you in a number of months, and you've got a meeting scheduled with said employer about your future career/monies owed then I would say diplomacy with regard to your employer is probably a +EV strat for you to take. Colin's employers have been linked to this thread so what sense would it make for Colin to be anti-PT within it? I'm not knocking the man cos I don't know him but it's not like he doesn't have a vested interest in being diplomatic. So I would put the PT Mother Theresa award on ice for now.

Don't get me started on Mother Theresa...

for info my cash out was sucessfull

Mine as well via moneybookers.

Can I ask when did you guys request the moneybookers withdrawl and when did it go through?  I requested a withdrawl on Sunday and keep getting different stories from live help about when it will go through.

Friday afternoon and it arrived this afternoon.

Thanks Dino.

mine arrived this afternoon aswell
although i had requested it on 21 st

Just received this from Trillion - I've never heard of Rockem Poker.

hey col. i rites good. u pay me, i rerite you're stuff innit.

have to be an upfront payment tho LDO

Perhaps Colin could give us a brief rundown of what's happened here, as he's described himself as 'staying on' at Rockem Poker, rather than joining it. Also, www.rockempoker.com doesn't seem to be up yet, suggesting it's brand new, rather than Poker Trillion being bought out/taken over by someone else.

A cynical person may see this move as an attempt to keep the player database and poker operations ongoing under a different name, whilst letting the debts die with the Poker Trillion name. I think maybe Colin should clarify what the score is.

Are you calling me cynical??

He means continuing under the ELG umbrella, if you look back at previous posts from Colin it seems he felt this had been the intention ever since Trillions financial difficulties came to light. If nothing else at least it seems consistent with the idea that players funds will be secure under the ELG umbrella, not sure where that leaves blonde with regard to 7k debt though.    

Andy's daddy seems to have a few quid as well, amazing that with all these rich friends and relatives Andy seems happy to screw a friend out of 7K

http://www.insidepokermag.co.uk/othersports/features/44/wally_pyrah.html

PT Mother Theresa award still on ice imo

Odds on this Andy working for the 'new' company?

don't you mean Owning? this is standard business practice now apparently


http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=11375787&sort=whole

In addition to the Newsletter AndrewT reproduced above, we have had several communications this morning, including this one below......




“Poker Trillion becomes Rockem Poker

 

With immediate effect, Everleaf Gaming LTD ( The ELG Network) has assumed full responsibility for the PLAYERS of Poker Trillion.

 

On Monday February 2nd these players will access the network through ‘Rockem Poker’.

 

Rockem Poker will continue to offer all the benefits and rewards the players enjoyed at Poker Trillion, but in addition, Rockem Poker will also be offering 25% Rakeback to all their players. This additional bonus is paid weekly.

 

The former Operations Manager at Poker Trillion, Colin Hawker will continue to service both players and affiliates at Rockem Poker and can be contacted at colin@rockempoker.com

 

Rockem Poker also welcome new players where in addition to the ongoing benefits, 1st time depositors will also be offered a $100 Instant Bonus with their 1st deposit and a ticket to the monthly $500 New Depositors Freeroll.

 

To celebrate the change, there will also be a $1000 Freeroll on Saturday February 7th which is open to all, however will be limited to 1500 players.

 

For more information or to open a new account, please visit www.rockempoker.com

 

END.”

It fails to mention the debts which Poiker Trillion have left behind. The £7 owed to blonde is but a tiny proportion.

I am genuinely pleased for Colin, presumably he's been squared up, & has kept his job.

As to the rest of Poker Trillion's creditors, including blonde. presumably we can go whistle.

Presumably, everyone can now go & play on Rock 'Em Poker as if nothing had happened. I think I'll pass on that kind offer.

Me too...

i'll pass

Surely they could at least have come up with a better name...


?

One of the departing staff from Poker Trillion had the last laugh though. Swapping over the  R and O buttons for F and U on the keyboards.

rockempoker.com is registered to an Austrian consortium called Cyrom. email for rockempoker.com is delivered to a Cyrom server.

One of the Cyrom businesses is Executive Jet Charter Hire.

"Hello, I'd like seven grand's worth of Cessna to take me to the next blonde bash please. On account"

Tikay,

I did send you and Rich (and also spoken to Rich) an email explaining this in a little more detail.

For the record I was not paid off, like Blonde and many others I am still owed a load. I have accepted a position, for which I am very grateful in the current climate.

Not playing at Rockem as Trillion didnt pay will only harm the good guys who have taken responsibility for the offers and players.

We all have a common interest in doing what we can to secure monies owed by Trillion.

On another note, I have been very humbled by the notes of personal support on this board. Your right, it is a very difficult situation, and whilst these messages are pleasant reading, I do fully understand the reason why this thread is here, and that is because Blonde have not been paid what they are rightly due. Regardless of my own sitution, having personally set up the deal and the challenge series, I do feel responsible.  I have been in pretty much an impossible situation now for a few months, and if I can do the right thing by Blonde, PL or any of the others in the future, then rest assured I will

Col

Col, what's happening with regard to player withdrawls?  Thanks.

I think it's fairly obvious what they are implying by that part of their statement.

I understood all players withdrawal were up to date after the change to the payment processor last week.

Send me an email to colin@pokertrillion.com including your nickname and I will sort for you right away.

Col

So its a completely independant body that have just essentially bought out the Trillion player base, none of the old faces involved except for Colin?

Incidently, Colin might want to change his blonde name, may I suggest Rockem Tommy?

Love this!

Emailed.  Thanks for looking into it.

Yeah me too - don't think Poker Trillion are really in a position to lay guilt trips on players for not sticking with them.

Just read this thread, sorry to hear what's happened, but dealing the wide boy spiv was dangerous to start with.

Doesn't anyone remember how he stitched up punters over the number of players at the first wsope?

You're being well sharp sorting players probs out on this thread Col. That's because you want these players to continue with RockEm. So in reality you're doing stuff that ultimately benefits YOU. Can you tell us exactly what you've done to do the right thing by Blonde and what the result is. By showing how you are pursuiting this debt in a vigorous manner would be the best way to pacify players imo and be a great PR exercise for you. Ultimately the debt is a marketing one and you were responsible for marketing. Your post only tells us you've sorted yourself and you are confused as to who the good guys are imo.

By all accounts, the message seems to be that ELG are protecting the players' interests, their money appears to be safe. What does not appear to be safe is the money owed by Trillion to various companies.

I don't really play on Trillion myself, however it looks like those with Trillion accounts should have nothing to fear by continuing to play on Rockem.

Maybe I'm just too trusting??

Geo

Sorry mate,

I personally think you're being a bit hard on the guy. Ok, with Trillion he may well have been involved in marketing, however never neccessarily held the purse strings.

I think posts by Tikay and Colin himself clearly show that he himself is owed monies by the former owners of Trillion.

I for one applaud him for not hiding his head in the sand and offering the support to players as he has.

Geo

My read is this:

Player's accounts were always OK - Maltese gaming licencing regulations saw to that.

The company debts of Poker Trillion will die with the company - Blonde/Punters Lounge/whoever aren't going to get anything.

It is as yet unclear who is behind Rockem Poker. From a moral point of view, I'm sure many players would be wary of playing with them if it turned out that Rockem Poker was just PT under a different name. I hope that, after his unfortunate circumstances with Trillion, Colin remembered to ask his new employers exactly who he was working for at interview, and perhaps he could pass that info onto the players he is trying to convince to migrate across with him?

Dude, sorting the players personal monies is +1 for RockEm having bought the PT database. Saying those personal monies are honoured only pacifies those players interested in themselves. I'm saying if you are a player who derives benefit from a free Blonde service you should only be truly pacified if this debt is honoured along with your own. Anything else is lip-service to entice you to continue playing on this new skin imo.

Players and their money is paramount. Regardless what site, players are only interested in that their money is safe. It maters little to players whether sites have problems with debts which do not effect their money.

Does it annoy me that blonde are due £7k? of course it does, however my main priority would be to ensure that my own monies were safe.

Many have posted asking that very question and have been re-assured by Colin and others that it is, and postings of withdrawals received seem to support this.

Colin had mentioned that there were to be meetings etc over the last week or so and may well have known that another company were taking over the site, he did say he wasn't in a position to elaborate and may well have offered the assistance to players that he did to assist his possible employment with the new owners and to attempt to maintain the player base on the new site, nothing wrong with that IMO.

One thing we can say is that by having this thread the players have had an immediate point of contact which could only be a good thing.

Oh, and I luv the idea of being a dude as a grandfather.

Geo

"It maters little to players whether sites have problems with debts which do not effect their money."

Marvellous. As we are about to find out, instances like this affect what we as a site can do, big time

I also like this forum, the updates, the blonde bashes, the results service, the articles, the blonde leagues, etc.

I'm sorry Geo, but this time I have to STRONGLY disagree with you!    

They still owe me money.  I deposited via credit card and since I want to withdraw (via neteller) they want a scanned copy of my credit card first.  I have yet to so, but will.  With all but the last 4 numbers blanked out as was agreed by Colin via e-mail.  

I have every intention of taking the money out and NO intention of playing on the new site.  If this means I won't get my money, so be it.  I'm ok with that.  Won't make or break me.  But what they've done to blonde, at a time when they needed it most, is just appalling.  PT owes blonde a decent wee chunk of change.  PT thinks doing a runner and starting up under a new name is going to fix things?!  Afraid that isn't the case.  

I'm aware of this Rich, however the reality is that players look after their own money first. it's been posted by many all over the forum that there are many of us that would be willing to contribute to ensure that blonde do not suffer.

The line you have highlighted relates to when a site does find itself in trouble.

Geo

Dawn,

I refer to my reply to Tighty.

Yes, they owe you money but once you provide them with the details requested I'm sure they will pay you, again it was clearly posted the reasons why they have requested the details.

Lol, looks like Geo's the next one to be getting it in the neck for not going with the flow.

Geo

And???????

I obviously didn't make my point very clear.  Whilst it is true I am owed, at the end of the day I don't give a toss if they pay me back or not.  I DON'T CARE!!! 

What I do care about is the money they owe the forum.  I've had a great time here and when meeting fellow blondes in person.  Until they have paid BLONDE'S money back, I haven't a notion of playing with PT...or anyone who picks up PT's pieces.

"It maters little to players whether sites have problems with debts which do not effect their money."

You see grandfather dude Geo how you say people are only self-interested....and then say fair play to Col for having a pure heart and not being self-interested...why it doesn't really sit well with me. I don't really believe or trust anyone I don't know...because generally people are indeed out for themselves...unless they prove otherwise. Col telling us how he is getting this 7k squared-up will prove it. Col telling us he will do all he can is lip-service. Yes, I am a cynic but I also support Blonde. If Col understands that RockEm poker will lose a lot more than 7k if all Blonde players boycot the new skin then maybe that 7k will miraculously be forthcoming. Until it is I will suspect Col has a similar mindset to the players you mention above.

which would you like to see disappear? you choose

One thing we can say is that by having this thread the players have had an immediate point of contact which could only be a good thing.

Point of contact of sombody no longer works for PT... Great  

Colin Not paid for 4 months and still beating the company drum  ;whistle; to believe that you must be on Glue.

Colin will still be in the same office answering the same phone reporting to the same managers.

I emailed colin asking if Blonde havea chance of getting there money.

I personally think Colin is Pissing up your legs when you not looking imho.


 Hi Jonathan,

 

I am in constant contact with Tony Kendall, and I too, along with the network are owed a considerable sum of money by Trillion.

 

The network has done the honorable thing and stepped in to preserve player interests.

 

I am now employed by a difference company, and am also just a creditor to PT. Currently we are all trying to learn the process and find out what chance we have of recovering some money.

 

Although I am happy to comment further on my own situation, future enquires regarding the money owed to Blonde should be directed to them.

 

Best Regards

Colin


Regards

M

how much?

It's small and irrelevant... BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!!

It's harsh for Geo to take criticism for what is quite an accurate observation. I am certain that in the majority of cases if you asked any random sample of players what their major concern would be if an online site hit serious financial trouble, it would be that their funds are secure, so far we aren't aware of anyone who has a substantial amount of money on PT.
I think it's great that everyone thinks so much of BP as an organisation and lets hope that they recover their debt, Geo's comments would be accurate in the vast majority of cases though.

That's an easy one

There is a vast difference between the money owed to Blonde and the money in player's accounts.

The money owed to Blonde is a commercial debt. When the administrators arrive Blonde will get sweet FA as will all of the other debtors.

Player's money is presumably in some kind of holding account. It belongs to the player's and if it goes missing will be theft.

The Trillion people will be more than happy to go bankrupt as that carries no real consequences. Theft/fraud on the other hand would be a much bigger issue and I'm sure they won't fancy getting locked up.

They are not in a cash business where transactions can be hidden. Everything is recorded somewhere so there is no way they would get away with it. Therefore I would guess that player's money is perfectly safe whilst Blonde's has gone forever.

I have been in this type of situation personally through work and I can assure anyone it is not pleasant no matter how much money is involved. £7k may not sound like a hell of a lot of money but at some point there comes a final straw that breaks the camel's back and in a small company £7k can easily be that straw.

I hope blonde manage to fight through this and can continue to trade in the same manner which they have done since I first joined. If things change then unfortunately it will probably be for the worse so we all lose out.

I wish the Blonde team the best of luck dealing with next few dfficult months.

So have Rockem 'bought' out Poker Trillion?   If it has then they are entitled to keep the player database and also take on PT debts do they not?

If they haven't bought out Poker Trillion then under the data protection act I thought they were not automatically entitled to the player database (based on knowledge that is about 5 years old now granted so it may have changed).   If it transpires that they are not automatically entitled to the  player database (except for the people that clicked on the 'third party' option) then anyone that is contacted by Rockem Poker would have grounds to contact them asking where their name was acquired and ask for removal from the list.

As long as they do NOT play on the new software, if they are contacted again by Rockem then the player would have grounds to report Rocken who in turn could be fined.  (If they download the new software it may automatical be seen as acceptence of transferrence though, I am not sure)

Like I said, this was based on rules about 5 years ago when i worked with MGN's database - and from what I remember it was very strict back then and companies did get fined for data missuse (via selling on names etc).   

Laxie, you and others have to understand that you are not owed anything. You haven't lent anybody anything and have not provided a service which has incurred a debt therefore they can't owe you anything.

Your money is being held on your behalf by a third party for use on a poker site whether it be Trillion or Rockem or whoever. It is very difficult for them to keep your money as they would have to steal it and face criminal charges.

Blonde are owed money. They will not get it back as it is a commercial debt. It is completely different.

Sorry guys, let me clarify.....

As PT could not fullfill their debt to Everleaf (the network) and did not respond to numerous requests for payment, Everleaf rightfully terminated their contract.

The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

The fact that Everleaf have assumed control of the player base, does not mean that the debt PT owe them is written off. It is up to Everleaf how they choose to persue this, but with people on the ground in Malta (where Trillion Ltd is registered) they they might find info easier to come by. I have passed on contact details between Blonde and Everleaf and I am naturally interested in this outcome.

Rockem Poker is currently owned by Everleaf. The Rockem skin was built some time ago for another client who did not complete, so was instantly available as a solution for the PT player base. I am not working for the same people in any way shape or form. The Trillion office was in London, I am currently working from home and have been since the end of November. I have had no contact with those who were supposedly behind Trillion for some time.

Also, the main reason why the Trillion name was not kept is that ELG cannot get hold of the URL. It does not belong to Trillion Ltd. Whois shows a 3rd party reseller and its not know what contract Trillion had with this reseller, so the safe option was to use the new name.  

Laxie. I did email you only 1h before you posted to see if you needed any more assistance, as you didn't reply to my previous email earlier this week. Please don't suggest you won't get the funds. It is more than reasonable to ask to see proof you own the card, as in days gone by, the oldest trick in the book was to make a deposit with a stolen card, only to withdrawal to a legit one. Fortunately due to the 3D security now online, such checks will not be necessary in the future.

Col

Goodbye, all those nice things. Frankly, I'm outraged, and I don't think it's entirely down to a piddling £7k from Poker Trillion.

disagree - the debt between PT and blonde is a business debt and has zilch to do with the players. This chap has accepted a position with a company who are going to guarantee him a paycheck - he is now doing his job which is to attract new/existing players to the new skin. Of course if it were possible for him to pull 7 grand from a hat and pay back blonde he would probably find attracting players a great deal easier, but I suspect this isnt possible. What do you expect him to do in the meantime, tell people to avoid playing at the new room ?

Of course whatever changes have to be made are not entirely down to this debt alone. There have been multiple other issues, but this debt is a large contributory factor.

A bit petty IMO Rich,

You know damn well I do not wish blonde to lose any of this. Was merely stating what most players initial thoughts would probably be, wasn't intended to be a "if blonde goes down the pan and my money is safe I don't give a toss" post.

Geo

1. I don't expect the guy to say he will do the right thing by Blonde if there's nothing he can do. I would prefer him to say there's nothing he can do and just go about his business.

2. The debt to Blonde has everything to do with players. When there's no update from GUKPT Walsall next month please tell me the debt has nothing to do with us because I will contest that.

3. Colin, do you think Everleaf should/can/will pay Blonde the 7k?

How wrong you were (apart from blondes chances of getting their money back.)

Geo

"Changes" seems a rather weak word to use. I think that with the "changes" that have been made, blonde can expect its entire web visibility to drop off pretty sharpish, and with the poor Google-ability that comes with that, as well as eroding all of the aspects that made blonde good to begin with, you will see less traffic on the site all round, which has to translate into lower revenue for blonde.

There is very little link between traffic and revenue in this environment, nor do I accept your contention that it erodes all of the aspects that made blonde good. Some of them, certainly. I sincerely hope that in due course once the position has improved all blonde services can be restored to normal, but the status quo was untenable financially, sadly.

As Mr Kinboshi said, what do people like about blonde? They like the live updates, the results service, the articles and so on. Yes, they also like the sense of community, but how far can blonde go on that alone? I wish blonde the best of luck, but in my opinion the blonde management have probably just made a disastrous decision. I hope I can be proved wrong.

Dana, this is my last public comment on this

It was sadly unavoidable financially. Decisions not taken without a lot of soul searching and exploration of all alternatives, over many months.

I sincerely hope in due course once we're on an even keel that financial improvement can lead to restoration of all the added value blonde services.

Am I being stupid in asking what decision this was?

Has Dana just noticed than Kinboshi was made a mod?

Blimey, there's grief everywhere.......

I've been Offline a few hours on other matters, so bear with me while I get everyone up to date on what's happening, both as to Poker Trillion, & Dana's comments. They are unrelated matters, & I'll start a seperate thread for the latter. Until then, please bear with me.

I am working tonight, from 7pm, but I'm here until then, & all will become clearer by then.

Please see my Post, & await my further comments.

Thanks Colin - that makes things a lot clearer. The Poker Trillion players and database have essentially been repossessed by the network due to PT not paying the bills.

no more updates?

This is not entirely down to the Poker Trillion problems, although it seems a natural progression on this thread what with the themes being the shortage of money and problems recovering debts.

It does look like keeping any staff on is not tenable, and therefore Snoopy, Chris, updaters etc. have had to (temporarily) be removed from office.  If people can't be paid what they are owed, there is no other alternative.

This does mean that content generation will drop, and all the other things Dana mentioned - which is undoubtedly a sad thing as they were done, mainly by Snoopy, behind the scenes for years with good visibility.  If as has been mentioned, visibility doesn't mean revenue, then blonde won't suffer any more for the lack of updates/results etc., but as a viable competitor in the poker forum/info market it will disappear altogether. 

I told 'em all it'll be downhill once they let a bloody girl with that blonde bash thingy, i knew it, just knew it...  ;)

Sorry, while typing that I missed a bunch of messages... no harm intended - I genuinely believe all decisions have been and will continue to be made with the best interests of the community in mind, but it may be a different sort of thing than previously.  I suggest everyone wait for tikay to elucidate in a more elegant fashion, although I don't think it's a 'secret' - blonde has always been straight with its members.

Yes.  My first actions upon obtaining the Presidency were to:

a) Spend the entire update budget on a novelty license plate for my car reading B4SH W1N

b) Get Snoopy to sign a contract for Indentured Personal Servant to Me Alone (he thought he was giving an autograph)

c) Send spam emails with a picture of me on it to all members of other forums saying "Sign Up to Blonde or I'll Get a Hit Put out on You."

I don't think, on reflection, that was a good financial move.

OK, as to Poker Trillion & blonde.

We've lost the £7k. Fact. We came to that view weeks ago, it's no great shock, nobody died, & we'll get over it. I'm not even mad about it. In the greater scheme of things, it's no big deal. I am pretty miffed that there are shysters & fraudsters about, I live my life in a different world to people with that morality, & be in no doubt, Poker Trillion have defrauded many Creditors. They have not paid anyone, for months, they have no replied to any e-Mails, 'phone calls, letters, anything. They just cocked a deaf 'un, & carried on growing the debt month on month, knowing they would never pay it. Nice peeps......

The players? Their money was always safe, & it remains safe, so far as I can tell. That's just my read, but I trust it 100%.

Everleaf? We have no quarrel with them. Their promised e-Mail to me (see Col's comments last weekend) never arrived, & I never expected it to. They were Trillion's largest creditor, by some way.

That debt accrued because Trillion were offering something that was transparently not offerable - $100k a month of Guaranteed Tourneys, plus huge Reload Bonuses, Rakeback, Buy-Ins, etc, on a thin player-base. It was never going to cover the Guarantee, ever ever ever. So there was a huge monthly overlay. That overlay fed the Debt from Trillion to Everleaf.

Trillion netted some $25k a month in (Net, after regular Network Charges) revenue, but as Everleaf were owed over (I estimate) $60k a month in overlay, they never paid Trllion - rightly - & the unpaid balance formed the ever increasing monthly debt. So Trillion never got any income, & at the same time, their debt to Everleaf grew monthly.

So Everleaf decided to take control of/sequester/seize/steal Trillions player Database.

That Player Database is/was Trillion's biggest Asset. It has considerable value. Each player on the Database has a "per player head value" to a Buyer.

As an asset of Trllion, who are now, presumably failed/in administration/in liquidation, that Asset belongs to the Creditors as  a whole, I'd have thought, &, excepting "Preferential Creditors" (a legal term), all of them are eqully entitled to x pence in the pound in repayment from the realisation of assets.

So Everleaf got in first, & in a way, that's just & fair, as they were owed the most. If the Authorities deemed this improper (it may not be improper, but I suspect it is), Everleaf could just say "oops, sorry, you can have it back then, here it is". Having first extracted all the names & data they needed.......

To be honest, I don't blame Everleaf - they were owed the most, they recovered Trillion's prime asset to satisfy the debt. It's "sharp", I'd say, but hey, there's no point getting steamed up about it, or trying to get it back via Legal means, it ain't gonna happen. The money's gone, end of, & I'm not going to run around with a bag on for the rest of my life about it.

Would I ever Deposit money with Rock Em Poker? I'll let you work that out.

Now, to individuals.....

Continued.......

Thank you Jen, yes, please do. I won't be long. Luckily, I type at the speed of finger. One finger.

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.


If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

It wouldn't surprise me if Poker Trillion had signed a contract without a lawyer, but with a bunch of bouncers, in invisible ink on the back of a bus ticket.

It's not the contract between those two that matters, it's the overriding law on the administration of debts that will count.

Is it not Andy Pyrah on the Sky poker adverts talking about poker should be a game for gentlemen and good manners etc? :P lol...I bet hes laughing.

Yep, nearly as bad as that nasty man in the adverts with a moustache that slowrolls, rubs down and bullies everyone.

Oh by the way ...


blonde game tonight at 8.30pm .... Register early :)

That's what I meant by, 'if it's a legal contract' - my apologies if I offended your legal mind by not wording that correctly.

Trillion, & the Individuals concerned.

Colin.

I genuinely feel for him. He's marked our card, up to a point, for some weeks. He's not been paid for months. I suggested this morning he's probably got himself paid up, as part of the arrangement for him to move to Rock Em Poker. It seems I was wrong, & I apologise for suggesting otherwise. But, if he has not been paid up, well, he's missed a trick - in his spot, I think I'd have said to Everleaf/Rock Em - "yes, I'll come across I'll give you continuity of Management, but settle me up first, please". But that's between them & him.

Has Colin been straight with us? Yes. Mostly........He has been most helpful, he has. But he told us he never knew who his financial backers or owners in Trillion were........ Hmm, that kite takes some flying. But it matters not now, & I empthise with the tough spot he was in. There's no bad feelings twixt him & blonde, or myself, none at all.

Andy Pyrah.

Everyone seems to be on Andy's case. He's been a good friend to me for years, & I am not fickle, I don't disown pals easily, & until I have proof they have turned me over. I have no such proof, & absolutely nil evidence suggesting malpractice by him. I had one person tell me Andy was a piece of shit. Well he might be, but not to my knowledge, he's always been right by me, up until this last few months, when he suddenly became un-contactable. I did get hold of him about 2 months back, told him it was not personal, & we'd remain OK personally whatever happened. Right now, that's stilll the case.

It's my understanding that even now, Andy is the CEO of Poker Trillion. Some poor bugger had to be. The only thing he tweaked my tail on was as to the identity of Trllion's Financial backers, after Achillas severed ties in August or September. He claimed not to know. I don't believe that for a second. But put yourself n Andy's spot - it's difficult. He's not been paid for months, either, or so I'm led to believe. And I do believe that.

So many of us have become entangled in this mess, all because Trillon's backers ran a scam, & we all got turned over. Thankfully, not the players.

Rich & myself.

I cannot begin to tell you how much time we've wasted on Trillion. Costed up, in hourly terms, it's way more than £7k. Too bad. But it's time wasted, time I'll never get back, & at my age, I resent that deeply.

Achilleas.

I was informed this morning, by a very good source, that Achilleas & Robert Cooper remain in contril of Trillion, "behind the scenes".

Well, I asked Achilleas that very question, two weeks ago. He utterly, 100%, denied it. He's never wronged me, to my knowledge, ever. (Quite the opposite, he saved me £3,000 once by simply being honourable). He's a pal. What am I supposed to believe? I hold the view that he told me the truth. If I'm wrong, so be it. It does not matter, really, because the money has gone.

The money does not matter THAT much, & if small-minded lowlifes really wanna steal £200k or £300k from Poker Trillions Trade Creditors that much, well, so be it.

I sleep as sound as sound can be at night. I regret many things, but I don't scam anyone, ever. Trillion cannot say the same, they've lifted a good few legs & got away with it.

I'm not gonna waste the rest of my life, or this year, month, or week even, chasing these folks. It's done, next case.

But I would say to anyone thinking of Depositing with Rock Em Poker - be careful.  Plenty will though.

"IF" being the key word. You only have someone's word that it is so. I have not seen that Contract.

In any event, Common Law over-rides commercial contracts. Common Law says all Creditors shall be treated equally. Except Preferential Creditors, who have to be pre-determined.

I need to tell you about some other stuff now, unrelated to Poker Trilllion, so bear with me while I type that up on a new Thread.

The Trillion money has gone, end of story. I just want peeps to be aware of what happened, & how, so that if they are tempted to sign up & Deposit to Rock Em Poker, they know the background to what Rock Em Poker really is - it's Trillion by another name, minus the debts. Almost like Magic.

Thanks Colin.

With due respect, who are "the good guys"?. Fair play to Everleaf for stepping in, but do you think that did that for......

a) The Players?

or....

b) To alleviate the debt they are owed by Trillion?

I fail to see how playing on Rock Em Poker will help Trillion Trade Creditors. Can you enlighten us, please? I exempt, of course, the Creditor "Eveleaf", clearly it WILL help them.

The PT site went tits up because it offered gtd tournies, rakeback, bonuses etc....yet isn't rockem offering the same things (according to the Feb newsletter from Colin?)...not going to touch them with a bargepole

+1

Exactly my thoughts - the same business plan (that failed) but under a different name. Where is the sense in that? Changing the name and running the business as before - which has already been proved not be financially viable. I wonder which of the publications will take their adverts only to find themselves not paid again in a few months. If I were them I'd ask for payment in advance before publishing, and I hope that someone will alert them to the previous problems and suggest this to them.

There will be those that will love the overlay and play anyway but shame on you. I for one will not be playing, let Rockem go the same way as PT, they don't deserve to survive after leaving thousands of pound worth of debt behind them without one ounce of remorse or guilt.

I assume that the directors/owners of PT have still not managed to pick up the phone and apologise to Blonde?

Debt owed; £7K
Apology; priceless.

Poker really is a gentlemans game.....

Bear in mind that PT was a skin on the network, so Everleaf would take their cut. As Rockem Poker is in-house, Everleaf get the whole of the rake.

I've just been reading the PL thread on this which is only about 2 pages long, am I right in understanding that when a player clicks onto the PT icon it will update and use all the same information for them to acess their 'new' account with Rockem?

Surely thats a violation of data protection having information transferred from one company to another??   

Most of these companies are headquartered abroad i.e. Malta for Trillion. Not sure UK laws apply?

I think that's a way some companies get round the Telephone Preference Scheme. They get some geezer in India to phone you.

also I suspect that in the very long terms and conditions that you agreed to when you signed up, but probably never read, that there will have been a section which covered the use/sale/transfer of your personal data.

please remember that the data protection act isnt some all-encompassing law which protects your identity, but merely a framework in which the law can operate.

as everleaf always handled the banking they always had the details of all players, there's no info being passed to a new company

Rock Em Poker is a new Company.......

subsiduary of everleaf is it not?

no problem with a subsid using data from a parent

I consulted with a more experienced data protection expert - i.e. I asked my boss

He said, "hmmm, interesting".

Apparently there is precedent for this kind of case but he couldn't remember the outcome and he's a bit busy to go looking for it.

But the suggestion is that this is a pretty 'grey' area of data protection.

As Laz said, the T&Cs are the key here.  Everleaf will be acting within the law and the T&Cs here.  Also, is there a data protection act in Malta? 

It matters not really. I don't really want to have to deal with these shysters again.

Just a thought...and maybe a stupid one but if you cant get your money back from them directly how about a staking thread for the Sunday $10k which still has an overlay and all winnings (minus buyin) donated to Blonde?

I know its not ideal as Trillion/Rockem would still be getting rake but they wouldnt be getting a MINT ;-)

I am not good enough at Maths to work it out but maybe 5/10? of our best players in a field of 150ish would stand a good chance of profiting?

If I can reach a final table in this then i am sure the good players on blonde will kill it.

PS can you all please not play again when Blonde has its £7k back x

Will wait for you to put up the staking thread.

Ok I dont have the cash that you have but I will stake 2 players as thats all I can afford and Im more than willing to stake you if you will play?

even with blondes best players involved it doesnt guarantee profit. why give these schiesters any more money

Yup, that was it for me, got my money out of there after that. Sad that it has come to this though.

you could always collude - that might give the blondes a better chance

I have read this thread through with a sense of deja-vu. I'm just a newbie on here but have been an admirer and fan of Tikay since I first watched him on sky poker. No doubt when you shuffle off this mortal coil you will ascend straight into sainthood!

I'm not sure that I could be as detached as you are in this if my mates stitched me up (defending their honour as individuals, whilst highlighting their failings in the corporate sense) whilst they were able to treat you and blonde in the way they have.

I believe you when you tell folks that their dosh is safe, I wish mine had been when Tusk went belly up. Like with Poker Trillion a brand new room appeared with my details (tho' sadly not my dosh) offering wonderful sign ups etc even before the roof had finished falling in.Needless to say, I didn't take them up on their 'generous offer' and I suppose not too many of your members will be beating down the door to join up with Rockem either......

As for your £7k, lesson learned. I don't suppose you'll (blonde) be in too much of a hurry to be affiliated with them either.

Open letter to Trillion

I hate to bring this up again but it's bugging me. I think the integrity of Kallakis (sp?) is questionable, as he is, no doubt, still the main shareholder of this business. 

Tikay will always defend friends until proved otherwise and he has done so here. However as an outsider I'm looking at this and asking how can a man who earns millions and millions a year (and that's not Tikay btw!) just laugh and let the debt stand? He appears to be happy to go through life treading on people and laughing as he does so.

With tales of large yaughts, pretty girls and suitcases of money I suppose the angst of a small poker forum and a debt of a mere £7k is so small that it pales into insignificance. It's pocket change to a 'man' like you and you probably fail to realise the significance this 'pocket change' can cause to others. 

This 'fred' is kallakis right hand man, so he knows who is in charge. This whole thing stinks and off you go without a care in the world. To you £7k is one hand of poker yet you let the debt lie there.

A swift cheque or payment to blonde would clear this debt. I can't believe you try constantly to wriggle out of it, the effort spent doing that, and lying to people, could be spent much more effectively elsewhere. You are entitled to enjoy the wealth you have created and I don't begrudge you a penny of it, but a debt is a debt and a bully is a bully, and in my opinion this is one bully playing a game, refusing to pay and hiding behind a company structure because he doesn't want to admit he is trying to avoid paying such a small debt.

Shame on you, I'm sure you were not brought up to behave in that way, and if you were, shame on you and your family. I may not mean anything to you, and neither may my opinion, but no matter. I've had my say.

google says he's been hoovering up london property since '03. he'll probably be busto soon.

can we not get this thread to come up when you google his name?

Offer him a free treatment Trace, then while you are hoovering out his shitter ... nick his wallet.


No need to thank me.

maybe he'll put a blonde logo on an F1 car?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/11012009/23/property-magnate-kallakis-serious-honda-f1-bid.html

Kev.

You are my new hero. Thankyou.

Perhaps a joint venture with Branson?

Who's for the ultimate commentary line... "Oh my God, Hamilton has just taken the Blonde Virgin up the backside"

Thank you Sir Pork, though I'd go low on Sainthood & high on Sinhood if I were you, judging by how many folks toes I seem to have trod on in the last few weeks.

As to Trillion, well yes, I can & will remain detached & calm about it, but that should not be confused with acceptance of the situation, because I remain very much, 100%, on the case. Getting angry about it will solve nothing, getting even will.

I'b been prodding & probing around, have unearthed a few pertinent facts, & have had some "interesting" communications from the most unlikely & surprising of quarters.

I'll Update everyone on these matters as soon as I can.

The sentiment behind this Post is understood, & I'm extremly grateful to you Tracey for your passionate care in the matter.

For now, I need to say.......

1) This is your personal opinion, to which you are are perfecly entitled. It is not to be confused with blonde's, or my, view. And yes, I stick by those I think are my friends, until I know otherwise.

2) You have singled out one man for the blame, which is your honestly held personal view. I just need to say that I stand by everything I have said about everything Trillion-related in this Thread. I have not accused anyone of anything which I would now wish to retract. I have not said anything improper against any individual. In particular, I have not accused Achilleas of any improper actions, nor have I implied as such. The Thread can & should be re-read if anyone doubts that. (And it's clear some do). But it's clear the Thread is being closely monitored by those involved. Judging by some incoming e-Mails on the matter, some folks are extremely sensitive about the Thread, & know a great deal more than is currently in the domain.

3) New information continues to come in as to this wholly improper behaviour by Poker Trillion, & the people associated with it, & I'll report on it as soon as time permits.

You sir, are a tease of the highest order.

Just spil it.

A friend of mine went way of his way to do a favour for Mr Kallakis and this favour ended up costing my friend about 5k.. not a penny of which the jovial Greek Billionaire repaid.

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Can we assume you throw like a girl?

A girl who couldn't even pick up a shot put let alone launch it.

any girl then

sigh.  reminds me of first time I did shot put at middle school.  I get up to take my turn and PE teacher says 'you should be good at this - just get all your weight behind it' :(

Hat's off.  ;hattip;

Not many women would recount that story about themselves.

Anyway back to the fact that I think kallakis is an unhonourable member of the poker community and we should all give him a nasty stare next time we see him......and if you are a bloke (or Claw) follow him into the loo and pee on his new very expensive croc shoes please.

Keep doing the peeing on the shoe thing until we've notched up £7k of shoe debt. Petty I know but so is the fact he won't pay or acknowledge his debt to Blonde. Tnx.

For claritys sake (whoever she is) this is my post and my opinion and I am not representing any official emotion, thought or wanton desire of blonde or any of its officials. Neither am I genuinely intending to incite any group or individiual to carry out any act of physical violence or cause a breach of the peace. I may however organise a mobile phone rick roll where we all surround kallakis at a forthcoming poker tourney and sing a Rick Astley tune. Please get in touch for further information.....

I think you'll find the word is "dishonourable".

Well, I think we need to be careful here.

Earlier in this Thread, I positioned all the characters in this sordid tale. In doing so, I explained that I rung Achilleas Kalakkis & asked him point-blank if he was still involved in Poker Trillion. He said he was not - quite emphatically.

So unless it's being suggested that Achilleas was telling fibs - surely not? - we cannot assume he has any involvement.

Should evidence arise to the contrary, that's different - but none has, so far as I am aware.

If anyone knows different, please tell me. Until then, I have to accept Achilleas at his word.

As I stated yesterday, things have moved on a little, & some information has come to hand - nothing positive, sadly - but the scale of the scam would appear to be wider than first supposed. It's not just "Trade Creditors" (in the normal sense of the expression) who have had their legs lifted, it's players, too.

The weird thing is the conspiracy of silence on the whole matter. It's almost as if peeps have been advised to keep schtum - you will recall that Punters Lounge got very cross with us for exposing Trllion - & now it seems several other parties would prefer this Thread did not exist.

Oh ffs Tony stop being secret squirrel.

Just spill the beans!

Damn. Beat me to it.

Look guys - & Ladies - if you keep this up, this Thread will run & run. And that would never do, now would it?

I really appreciate the outrage that folks feel about Trillion's antics, but we need to progress carefully, & without falling foul of libel laws.

Kallakis sold out to Allen Stanford?

All in good time Keith.

Please take on board that I have received an e-Mail from "an interested Party" suggesting it would be "very unwise" for me to continue to make a noise about Trillion. Whichever way you look at it, that was a threat.

So I need to get all my little soldiers properly lined up first.

For those unaware of the libel laws of the UK, here's a brief (haha) over-view in layman's terms:

http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html

(I have no idea how accurate it is, as I'm not a lawyer)

fuck em  imo

Oh yes - most certainly!

Bear in mind that if you disappear from the forum for a week again, we're all going to assume you've become part of a motorway flyover.

Does anyone remember a while back quite a few Blondes were saying that they'd had emails from random sources which quoted their full names and addresses in the subject content?

Seeing all this talk of dishonourable online companies makes it clear how this sort of personal information gets sold on.

I have to wonder who might've sold my information???

I can remember it was round about the time I signed up to Trillion.

If only I could remember any other sites I signed up to maybe I could figure out the mystery.

Sorry to be argumentative but it comes naturally to me - it is not libellous to pee on someones shoes. I've checked. Carry on.

Please. Railway bridge, minimum.

The old wives & villains tale about bodies being buried in concrete is, by the way, a complete nonsense. The steel reinforcement within the shutters would prohibit a body being dumped therein. Especially a significantly plump one.

They'd stick you in a flyover as a final insult, in the same way the Mafia would kill snitches and dump their body in a black neighbourhood.

what if you were cut up - which you would be a bit if you were dead - it would piss me off.

The old wives & villains tale about bodies being buried in concrete is, by the way, a complete nonsense. The steel reinforcement within the shutters would prohibit a body being dumped therein. Especially a significantly plump one.


A smelter on the other hand, copes admirably. (Allegedly)

I got that email and don't have a trillion account.

So in summation Tikay is on the hit list of Allen Stanford and therefore can be indirectly blamed for Andrew Flintoff getting injured as the stress of not having future earnings from Stanfords $$$$'s caused him to do a muscle in his hip.

FFS Tikay we are never going to win the Ashes now.

As do pigs

Bricktop agrees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAQ3pNHwj4

I learn soo much on this forum.

Any Online Poker Site has the ability to "sell on" it's Player Database, but it would not be in their best interests, obviously. Unless, of course, the Online Site was planning to go busto.

It appears that the Database of players held by Trillion - & that includes your details - is now in the possession of, & being exploited by, Rock Em Poker. It's not known how much - if anything - they paid for the Database, which would have been the prime, & most valuable asset, of Poker Trillion, & thus of considerable interest to all Trade Creditors.

I had hoped to get an Update, as promised by Colin, from Everleaf Gaming, but it never came. Everleaf Gaming own Rock Em Poker, & thus, now, the Poker Trillion Player Database.

I was told the week before last, by a usually impeccable source, that Andy Pyrah is now back working with Achilleas Kalakkis, but that would be unlikely, given the circumstances, I would think. Andy was employed by Poker Trillion as CEO, or whatever, originally, but after Achillas severed connections with Poker Trillion, Andy told me he was no longer being paid, & was therefore looking for a new job. I could ask Andy Pyrah to clarify this, but he no longer takes my calls, or replies to my e-Mails. I did ask him, when we last communicated, who his paymasters at Poker Trillion were. He said did not know.

I also heard last week that several very prominent players - household names in the poker world - have been turned over by Poker Trillion. They were paid - or supposed to be paid - to wear Trillion apparel in Televised & Main Events, & were promised large payments for making the TV Screen, or Final Table. None of which were paid. I said, last week, to one very well-known player, "so why don't you go public about it, make a bit of noise, why all the hush-hush?". He said he would, on his Blog, very soon. I said "go ahead, do it, & if you do, I'll C & P it onto the blonde Thread - the one that the FOPT (Friends Of Poker Trillion) are monitoring, on blonde".

I was also informed - I have no idea if it's true - that Poker News, & Poker Europa, both got stung, too.

I would be interested to now how Punters Lounge got on, but it seems they are not best pleased with blonde right now, for blowing the gaff.

Curioser & curioser.

To date, Poker Trillion have not replied to a single e-Mail from me. Nor have they ever disputed a single invoice from blonde. They just blanked us, totally.

El Blondie himself was decked out in Trillion clothing at one stage...........was he paid for this?

I recall Tikay saying that he'd got the email and that he ONLY has poker accounts online. I may be wrong here, please correct me if so.

Maybe we could all get together and try to figure out who it could be? A simple process of elimination should sort it.

Your revelation that you didn't sign up to Trillion and support Blonde (shame on you!  ;)) suggests that it might not have been them obviously.

Maybe there's a pattern somewhere though that could uncover another a dodgy online poker company selling our personal info.

think bongo knows the answer

I use unique email address's for every signup and the only mail from the trillion one is rockem .I get a shedload of spam from the one I use for paypal though.

bongo knows the answer but i cant post it only he can

u will be shocked

was it trillion logos that catgirl was painted in for one of those matchroom things?

;popcorn;

I had hoped to get an Update, as promised by Colin, from Everleaf Gaming, but it never came.

No shit

please dont use the "S" word !!


http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=40356.0

No Byron, not that I'm aware of.

We really must be careful as to what we allege.

I would urge Bongo to be extremely cautious in his "revelation", as it looks like a bum steer, or misunderstanding, to me. It may have arisen via  Payment Processor, too. If it were true, hundreds of us would have made the connection by now.

I hope Bongo does not publish his idea, as I don't think it adds up, & will cause a lot of unnecessary problems. We have enough problems without making enemies out of friends.