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Marc Wright aka dean23price scammed me for 4850€  (6077$/£3898 - xe.com 05/07/2012).

In March/April 2012 I won a seat into EPT Berlin Main Event which I had planned to goto alone.

On 13th April 2012 I got a message from Marc Wright asking if I would be willing to room share. I agreed to this free of charge with the condition that he gets a couple of room service meals/dinners in and we'd both be happy. I'd never met him previously but am a generous guy and thought I would try help out a fellow poker professional.

Marc arrived the night before the tournament and we decided to grind some mtts online. After the session we talked about swapping for EPT Berlin.

He wanted to do a deal where we would give the other person their buyin back if they reached the final table. I didn't really want to do this as I would prefer a FT sweat if either of us got there.

I asked if we could swap 5% instead which he agreed upon.

I busted in the last couple levels of the day. Marc went on to final table the event.

My brother came over to visit so on the day of the final table I railed the first 30 minutes then went to do some sight seeing. As I was on my way back to the rail I read on pokernews that he'd busted. I sent him a few messages saying unlucky etc and asking if he wanted to meet up. No response.

Instantly I'm feeling bad vibes but I hoped he was all good and he just wanted to get home as fast as possible - understandable.

I get home and message Marc, he says we did not swap a full 5%:

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He offers to send me the money tomorrow (how much I don't know?) on the 29th April:

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Marc then goes on to say he can't send the money in one lump sum and that he has to send in installments, offering only 3000€ instead of the full 4850€ owe:

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Marc suggests getting a neutral to 'referee' the situation, surely its black and white?

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Marc offers me 2000$ as payment for our swap:

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19th June, I ask Marc to pay me, he agrees.

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22nd and 25th June, I try to contact Marc again to ask for payment, agrees once more.

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There are more instances of Marc offering to make payment, but I thought these were enough screenshots.


As of 10th July 2012 I am still waiting for any funds to be paid to myself, despite Marc making multiple offers to pay less than the full 5%.


It's a shame because the guy is a top bloke, I stupidly trusted him thinking he'd put these scams behind him, but this obviously is not the case.


Please don't deal with this guy.


Cliffs

 - I swapped 5% with Marc Wright aka dean23price in the EPT Berlin Main Event.
 - Marc goes on to final table which is good for 97,000€
 - Marc leaves after busting back for the UK without speaking or messaging me.
 - Marc claims he does not have 100% of himself and is therefore unwilling to pay me the full 5% which we agreed to swap.
 - I am offered 3000€ instead of the full 4850€ he is owe me.
 - Marc repeatedly says he will transfer the money to me and fails to do so.
 - Marc offers to make smaller payment (2000$ = 32.9% of what we agreed to swap) multiple times and as yet has still failed to do so.

so so sigh.

Only mistake you made is seemingly agreeing to take less than the 5% he clearly owes.

I knew something wasn't right with Marc lately.

I have a lot of time for Marc and I am very good friends with Lewis (op) I helped them get in touch and basically get Marc a free room, so aplogies to Lewis for putting him through this.

I have spoke to Marc a lot over the last 6 months or so and have had a lot of time for him and he has done very well with the blonde staking things.

I would say that it is very similar to the last case where it was a "il pay you later mate" kind of thing. Its such a shame it couldnt be resolved off the forum, but looking at the dates of the screenies it definitely has gone too long and think that Lewis is justified to post.

Would defo have waited until after he busts main event before posting. He sold on here after winning a sat so obv has the rest himself, was a massive out for you!

My first thought!

Weird timing of this. I find much of it weird but have no intention of commenting on something I know nothing about.

Guy, this is the internet. I think you're in the wrong place.

Andrew u come out with some classics.... Props

why does it matter?

I don't think the timings wierd at all, I've spoken to Lewis a lot the last couple of months and whilst I don't know him well, he's sound. He's waited more than long enough to be paid, pretty sure if it was me I'd have waited much less time for anyone, nevermind someone with Marc's rep. Ofc though there is two sides to every story and look forward to Marc's reply.

Depends on Lewis's motives for posting.

if he wants to get the money he's owed he should have waited for sure.

If he wanted to warn people about railtard, he did the right thing posting.

I think 11 weeks is plenty of time to give someone to pay money they owe.

You go further down the queue if there is one. Unfortunately that's how it works

Wait 11 weeks 2 days and give yourself a chance of drawing surely! I mean can always post after anyway saying lucky escape etc if you wanna go the noble route of warning people

Woulda thought it was the opposite because you would want to keep public rumblings about you quiet.

I guess so, but if I was Lewis, all the bullshit ego posts from Marc would piss me off royally.

Nah because he already posted now, damage is done. Better off keeping everyone else happy, future nipping/backing etc

Was to Cos*

Ok, this is the bit I found weird

Lewis loses all cred in the "warning people stakes" given Marc has sold a bazillion $ worth of action in the last few weeks and some WSOP action

Therefore waiting to see if he has a score and pays is probs his most shrewd option

The timing of this for the sake of a day or 2 is very weird

Lewis doesn't read blonde, he only posted on here as was told to in our group.

As for waiting to see if Marc binks a cash in WSOP, if he doesn't should he wait until the next Super Tuesday, next EPT, etc etc. Obv ME is much bigger payday but still.

It's completely different because he has a load of himself and didn't satellite in on makeup.

Don't matter as if he cashes a decent amount you will most likely get weighed in as don't think there is a massive queue or anything

If Marc didn't pay after copping 100k in the EPT or after all the various successful stakes on here, he's going to have to go bloody deep to pay him after this!

#scammersgonnascam

Maybe Lewis didn't know this ?

unless he doesn't want to pay... then it's no different at all.  Insert new excuse.  Giving bad payers extra time to pay and keeping quiet on the hope that he has a bink and pays up is the main reason that bad payers are able to operate/exist.

And as for the original misunderstanding, that's beyond lol.  "yeah 5%"  Sounds fair to swap 5% of an entry for "5% of myself, but I'm only playing for 0.000001% of myself today, so here's yours.."

Lewis

This is what happens on blonde . Your a newbie, 90% of hero members will stick up for the established Blonde.

Remember Arbboy

I know the form, i've been a member here since week 1 2005

Question everything about you!. Try and drag up this and that about your motive for posting now etc

Hope you get your money.

I think you have been more than patient.

Regards

M  

WTF does Marc do with his winnings if he can't pay this debt or does he just think fcuk it im not paying you!

OP posted two threads on 2 plus 2 as well.  

A bit disappointed in all this, he always paid promptly on the stakes I was involved in.  

Obv he owes the 5% to the OP and I am not going to defend that.  And the OP obviously has every right to post, though I am not sure 3 threads were needed.  It also seems a bit rough to post while he is playing the WSOP and possibly can't defend himself, and this has the potential to cause tilt.  

LOL.

This reminds me of something which happened to me in Amsterdam.

I was at the bar prior to a 300 Euro tournament and said to a so called friend.. "do you want 5%?"

He said yes and off we went.

After about 10 minutes I heard that in a sell out field tickets were going for 750!

I knew my "friend" couldn't resist the fre money, so looked round every table to see if he was playing. He wasn't.

When I confronted him angrily, he said "you asked me if I wanted 5%.. I thought you were giving me 5% of you"!!!

I haven't stuck up for anyone. Just know I'd have waited them extra 2 days if I'd waited 11 weeks for the reasons I stated.

I cant see a single voice sticking up for anyone, nor bashing the OP

Ain't got to be Sherlock Holmes to realise a) Marc is under it and b) he qualified on his own dime- when he is selling main event action after winning a satellite on sky poker. He obviously selling for walk around. Seemed obvious to me but so did the waiting 2 days thing, maybe I just think differently

If someone owed me a few grand I sure would give a shit about whether me outing him after 11 weeks would tilt him, would you really be bothered about that ?

As I say he only posted on here because he was asked to since Marc sells on here a lot.

I'm not Lewis' spokesman btw :P Just I have nothing better to do whereas he's probably doing something productive.

How would Lewis know he sold action though if he doesn't read blonde ?

Thought he spoke to Pleno all the time? And he is in your chat group or whatever?

Anyway we can go round in circles but Marc obv owes the 5% and should pay.

I knew the story but didn't actually know it was Lewis :( It has never been discussed in all the time I've been in the group.

Agree.

If Marc was under it and didn't have a dime...

1) Don't promise to pay when you know you can't, play it straight up.
2) [As just one example of a genuine attempt to pay] Point Lewis toward to the coaching thread he started and promise him every cent he made from that would go to the debt.

Everyone has cash-flow issues where they can feel the pinch from time to time, but even if you have no money, you can still make good decisions for free.

:)  Thought you were going to trot out another story that involved us both, 5% and over-priced tickets...

fwiw Marc was in the group as well and Lewis didn't want to make others aware or cause trouble/wanted it to be all done quietly etc.

Has Marc got a backer atm?

I thought with all the stuff he was selling on here, he was playing everything on his own.

He is backed by Firaldo.

He told Lewis he would pay him after SCOOP if he binked something.

He won a SCOOP after EPT, 2nd in the Supersonic but Lewis didn't receive anything which at the time pissed him off.

I've had a lot of dealings with MW and tbh he has been a pleasure to deal with and according to Eso "owing me money is worse than owing the Chinese.."

When stuff like this happens it just reaffirms that when you swap etc you should make absolutely sure that both parties 1000% know what the deal is. I still give a very good friend of mine rubs saying he grimmed me for £400 due to him getting the wrong end of the stick..

Unfortunately From the screenshots  it does seem like £4k is owed and I can't really see any reason for this not being paid by now.

Hi

Theres no ulterior motive to post this at this particular time. I'd just had enough and have been waiting over 2 months, I really did not want it to come to this.

Lewis

Hope Marc comes on here and at least gives his side of events and then pays up.

What's the point?

It will just be more bullshit excuses.

If ever a man needed to quit gambling, it's Marc Wright.

Some of the schedules he posts are just sheer degenerative lunacy. Also have no time for anyone who will happily say how great they are constantly on a public forum.

At the risk of bringing this slightly back on topic (possibly a bluff) but anyone that routinely plays in tournys where 100k changes hands, buy a decent safe, a small stack of envelopes and presto!  Everyone gets their proper share.  It might be in Rupees, 3 months later, but so what?  It doesn't get mixed up (or used) for any other purpose.  No matter how under it you are, you can always pay your dues on demand.

At the risk of bringing this slightly back on topic (possibly a bluff) but anyone that routinely plays in tournys where 100k changes hands, buy a decent safe, a small stack of envelopes and PRESTO!  Everyone gets their proper share.  It might be in Rupees, 3 months later, but so what?  It doesn't get mixed up (or used) for any other purpose.  No matter how under it you are, you can always pay your dues on demand.  LOL makes it sound like a TOP TIP from VIZ mag                                                                                                                                   

How the hell does Marc Wright manage to juggle being a high stakes pro & his media career?  Was he grinding when out in the jungle?

Seems to me like a blip in an otherwise pretty successful reformation by Marc. His quitting gambling altogether over this would be a pretty bad idea imo given how much money he can expect to make (legitimately) if he continues grinding. Probs feels hard done by cashing for 97k and only getting 5-10k himself or whatever but by the sounds of it he entered into these agreements so should honour them, move on and think twice about it before agreeing swaps in the future.

However totally agree with Simon that the fobbing off is disappointing (although tbh not surprising).



edited after moderation on thread to remove reference

Was refraining from posting; but love Keys, wins thread on every level  - I'd like thread to be locked until Marc responds, all for open healthy debate, however these types of threads often turn into ill informed trolling and that's nt useful until Marc at least has an opportunity to reply - he's a bit otherwise engaged at moment


edited to remove the quote of a previously edited post

Thanks keys. Just seen this. Playing main, so obviously it's tough to reply properly.
We never swapped a full 5%. I wouldn't of because of the amount I had of myself.
There is 100% no way I swapped 5%.
I will post properly when I am back in room and Would like the thread locked untill I can read the allegations properly.

Hi.
The thread is currently blocked so wanted to post here so all is clear.
I went to EPT berlin last minute. Patrick (pleno) reccomended to me lewis hunter had a spare bed and me and lewis got tlking. He defo seemed genuine, nice guy. We met for the first time in germany.
We got on real good straight away, played an online session together and spoke about poker / life / women etc etc.
We briefly discussed a swap that night, but nothing concrete.
The next morrning (the morning before the torny) lewis suggested a 5% swap.
For people that know me well, know that i rarely swap (i often sell, but rarely swap). I neither accepted this swap nor declined it, and we never came to any particular agreement, it was all a bit cloudy tbh (poor communication on both our parts for sure). The fact was that i only had a small piece of myself and was some on MU etc so there is NO WAY i would of swapped 5% with ANYONE, especially someone whom i have never seen play poker and someone whom i know nothing about there game.
We went into the main event with nothing concrete agreed (obviously this was down to poor communication on both parts).
Lewis busted the torny early and i finished day 1 with a really big stack.
Nothing was said about the % untill the end of day 3, where i said he would have 5% of what i made from the torny. This was the only possible swap i would of done.
As i said NO SWAP was agreed, but lewis was genuine and he had in his mind that we had a swap of some kind. I want to make it clear that me and lewis did get on very well and i would of classed him as a mate after knowing him for a very little period of time.

Coming home from germany straight away after busting in 7th was due to f tilt obviously and didnt even think about giving him a "drink" from the score.
We spoke online after germany and i snap sent him some money that i owed towards the room / room sevrice etc (i sent this money on the day he asked for it np, and im sure he will say so). He asked for the % (5% in his mind). I wanted to ask the opinion of some others before agreeing an mount with him, and in the end i asked him if we should get someone to mediate. I spoke to pleno about it and he said in lewis's mind we did have a 5% swap, and i do believe that he thought this, but as i said, i would of NO WAY agreed to a full 5% swap.

Im sorry if people on here wana take sides etc, but this was between me and lewis and i feel he should of just waited untill i finished in vegas then we could of sorted it properly.
putting it on here cant help in anyway.

Will answer any questions that are constructive. Im going to contact lewis away from the public eye in an attempt to resolve this fast.

I have sold MANY packages in blonde over the past 2 years and won alot for blonde members. I have allways paid as fast as possible and im sure regular buyers would vouch for that. I paid out investers alot of money after EPT berlin and have had large online scores too. I am friends with alot of blonde memebers and i feel i have acted honestly and made sure everything has been perfect to the best of my ability.
I am really disapointed by this thread and i could do without it while playing the wsop main.

marc

Threads Merged, & unlocked.

There is some plain stupid responses on here from people like the camel, but im used to it from him.

As i said in my full reply above, i NEVER swap LARGE piece in big tornys i never have in my life, so why would i start in berlin? and especially with someone i have clue about there game and when i didnt have much of myself. People wanting to jump on sides i think its stupid as it can in no way be constructive.

But whatever, as i said i would of done some swap with lewis, but NEVER 5% of me, for 5% of him. We should of made something concrete for sure, and thats both our faults, but going round in circles on here is plain dumb obv.
I tried contacting him on fb, but it looks like he has deleted me, so whatever, im done with it.

finished

I mean if u swapped 5% of what u take home after makeup/% sold etc how do you quantify how much of him you have in the deal, assuming he had the score and not you?

I've swapped whilst on makeup deal with a backer and it gets awkward sometimes/cuts into your own % too much, so while I can sympathise with you not intending on swapping out a full 5% of yourself here, it seems poor communication led to this being the deal agreed. Otherwise you freerolled the guy.

100% agree with miss communication. Post vegas, i am going to ask 5 people (reputable in the game) to mediate and agree on a resoulution to this matter with lewis.

For the time being, is it possible to change the OP as saying "marc wright scammed" is pretty far from the truth IMO

the miscommunication seems entirely your fault though marc. It's a lot of money but from what I've seen in the threads if I was arbitrating I'd say you owe him 5%.

fwiw, i woudlnt of expected 5% from him.

Someone just told me he is on a real big downswing and this is the reason for his posting at this time which makes sense.

but whatever, obv thats irrelevent

I thought Toby Lewis was a good player, well he has all those flags Herbie loves

Also did The Camel ever pay you for going through his hand histories?

"Im going to contact lewis away from the public eye in an attempt to resolve this fast."

29 April You were going to "bank tx u the lot tomorrow"

11 May you were going to transfer in installments on stars

15 May You were going to sort it "asap"

30 May You were going to sort it out "tomorrow"

12 June You were going to ship it later tonight when you were grinding

19 June You were going to ship it in an hour.





Now you are going to resolve this "fast".

I'm sure Lewis is reassured.

These digs against people who question you are really disgusting.

According you, the reason I have a problem with you is because of my size and self image. (I could go and find that pathetic post if I could be bothered)

Now you dig at Lewis because he is "an inferior player" and on "a real big downswing".

He posted because you lied repeatedly about sending the money you owed him.

Just pay the man his money.

The issue is how much I owe him. There is 100% no way I owe him 5%. That's for sure

I never get involved in these threads as a rule, but I do have one question.

You keep saying you would NEVER have swapped 5%, so how did the confusion or miscommunication arise?

When he asked for a swap, why didn't you just say "NO. I NEVER SWAP"

How could it possibly be "Nothing concrete agreed" or "All a bit cloudy"?

Good luck to you both, I hope you get it sorted amicably.

From what I've read you should of paid a long time ago .......
Why would there ever be confusion over an amount of %, I've swapped loads of times with mates it's usually a simple.....
"10s "?
Then either of these answers
Yes
No
Or sometimes let's do 5 because.........

I don't know either of the guys involved so this is a neutral point of view ! It looks from the outside you have just Avoided paying because
Your skint and can't pay
Or
Don't want to pay.

It´s no indication of who´s right or wrong but it seems totally clear how the misunderstanding arose. Lewis thought the agreement was 5% of total cashed for, Marc thought the agreement was 5% of the amount of money he stood to make (with only a small % of himself)

But when somone has asked me for %
And I have answered with no I can't mate cos I've only got 50%
What's the difference ?

This cannot work because Lewis is not in a makeup deal so if he has 5% of Marc then wtf does Marc have in Lewis :D

I personally think Marc cannot say anything regarding the timing and if he hadn't said yeh il send you x v soon and then not send. 6 times or so the. Lewis wouldn't of had to do it.

On the other hand Marc has shown a new, sincere side over the last few months and has handled his staking threads very well and sent back refunds very quIckly. Also sending the rOom service $ is goOd and helps Marc's case unless  he did it so he didn't have to send anything else.

Regarding Lewis posting now when on a downswing. Sunday he had a good 5 figure day and was deep in the super Tuesday last night. Although to anybody 5k euros is a lot of m

PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY
. makes me sick reading your at it again.

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It´s no indication of who´s right or wrong but it seems totally clear how the misunderstanding arose. Lewis thought the agreement was 5% of total cashed for, Marc thought the agreement was 5% of the amount of money he stood to make (with only a small % of himself)
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This cannot work because Lewis is not in a makeup deal so if he has 5% of Marc then wtf does Marc have in Lewis :D

I personally think Marc cannot say anything regarding the timing and if he hadn't said yeh il send you x v soon and then not send. 6 times or so the. Lewis wouldn't of had to do it.

On the other hand Marc has shown a new, sincere side over the last few months and has handled his staking threads very well and sent back refunds very quIckly. Also sending the rOom service $ is goOd and helps Marc's case unless  he did it so he didn't have to send anything else.

Regarding Lewis posting now when on a downswing. Sunday he had a good 5 figure day and was deep in the super Tuesday last night. Although to anybody 5k euros is a lot of mOney.

If I was arbitrating I would make a compromise of around 3.8-4.2 of the overall winnings but I assume that of he asks 5 ppl he will have to pay full bean

Also regarding your post on 2p2...


LOL
There is 100% no way I did, or would have swapped 5% with Lewis in that torny. I didn't have tons of myself, and I wouldn't swap with someone who is a hugely inferior mtt player.
I am playing live at the moment, so will reply properly web in room. Internet is pretty bad here.
Marc
           



It comes across very bad. I genuinely think you are a very nice guy and enjoy talking but talking like this and being semi arrogant so soon after the last incidents will make people just think you're a cock when in reality you are spending alot of time/money into rectifying your image.

Lewis had given you a hotel room after never meeting you before and you had an instant bond/friendship so swapping 5% when you're at your first Ept And moral is high is not totally out of the question, but I don't doubt that is a normal state of mind online or smth that you'd never swap.

good comment buddy, crawl back into the ur cave

 ;popcorn;

pretty tilted with how this has been dealt. Im not gona post on the matter agian untill lewis has spoken to me direclty as nothign will get sorted on here. Its a misunderstanding between myself and him and NO ONE ELSE. I think i owe him 5% of what i made from it, and he thinks otherwise. Im not paying what he thinks i owe him as where does that end? Anyone can go on to a forum and say there owed money from a swap?
This thread is basically about taking sides, which is a shame for blonde imo.
Im not gona post on this matter anymore as i said, untill lewis tlks to me directly

I've been chatting to Marc over the last year or so and can vouch for how much he's tried to reform his character.. However, it seems completely absurd to me how there is any doubt that he owes the full 5% for one simple reason that Marc handily provided himself.


Considering you were staying in the same room this convo was probably face to face right? So when he asked you and you "neither accepted nor declined it" what did you say? What, you just stood there in silence? Come on Marc, you're trying to take us all for mugs now.


What deal have you ever heard of that is x% of profit based on how big a % you have of yourself? There literally is no such deal. You're just trying to wriggle your way out of yet another exhibition of abuse of trust.

Just own up to your own actions and accept responsibility for once in your god damn life.

 Great come back.
 Strange how my cave has AC and your gutter does not.

Its not about taking sides its about doing the right thing.
Once again you have told him Your sending and have failed to deliver.
 11 weeks to sort it out REALLY .
 Its your reputation not mine see if i care .
 if you want to keep it off the forums then DO NOT GRIM /TAKE THE PISS would be my suggestion .

I find it amazing how these guys can snap tell you the exact % of a flush card hitting the turn but when it comes to a swap % in the real world the numbers go all hazy and cloudy.

After busting the comp I would find my 'new buddy' shake him by the hand and say ty for letting me crash and btw here is your dollar. If there was an emergency and I did need to shoot I would leave a note and an envelope in his suitcase. This would be normal mature behaviour. What I wouldn't do is just trap. Doesn't matter how many tears are rolling down my little cheeks after busting out of a poker game. Blaming crass behaviour on tilt is pretty funny to read. Not being clear on a deal you make is your own fault and weeks of excuses is quite an embarrassing way to remedy that mistake. I would just pay the man.

Disappointed by skolsuper opinion providing excuses and any others like it. What's inherently wrong with poker these days is that young kids carry influential opinions but lack the wisdom to use influence constructively. If Railtard wants to ask about PHA skolsuper is the man but I wouldn't ask these kids to arbitrate in disputes or any real world questions as things seem to get hazy and cloudy also.

Can we stop deleting posts and locking threads pls. Anybody asking for a thread to be locked should be told to piss off.

I have heard all the Stories with Toby and past scamms etc but I just take you for what I see on here recently. Trigg ain't a bad judge of character either so have to assume he was staying at yours as a mate and not a debt collector.

I don't know your financial status but you admit that you Owe him a drink but would it not be better for you and your reputation to just flick him the £4k. If Lewis is on a down swing then I'm certain he would appreciate it.

sigh at all this Marc . i mean wtf !

From your convo with the guy you clearly have to pay the full 5%. Your reputation is now going be in tatters, and  after all the hard work you have put in !  ffs its only 4k . That's fk all in the grand scheme of things for your turnover.

 Just pay the man  and use it as a hard lesson about swapping stakes whilst on make up .

If you shortchange this guy now i think you will regret it . And as for repeat claims from randoms .....No one else is going to come on a public forum and tell blatant lies about % you owe. It just wont happen if YOU dont get yourself in these situations . IMO you have to pay, and make it today .

Now get on and concentrate on a deep run the main event .  KARMA  gotta be all good  

Yeah sorry mate any neutral reading facts is gonna make you pay full 5%, as stated before by others I've never heard of a deal where u swap a % of what u win after makeup with anyone, let alone someone who you met for the first time and doesn't have makeup themselves

I'd be grateful for the chance to get into make up

There's nothing worse ( money wise ) than being owed money and getting crap lame excuses as to why you have not yet been weighed in . And if your on hard times as well just makes for a whole lotta sourness . Here i got one for yas..........


People who pay are the ones that stay : )

The general opinion on 2p2 is that the backers should sort it out as when they take somebody on he is their responsibility.

I find this an interesting take on things, but think its really unfair to do something like that. I'm around 90% sure I told Niall in Marbella that my friend had 5% (before the final) but still think there's no way he should be held accountable or have to fund any of the money owed and think 2p2 ool in that regard.

So horrible you describe people as 'hugely inferior player'.

Get some respect for people especially if they 'pay your wages'.

You must be the only person who is amongst the elite of the world who has to be backed for mediocre stars schedules. Get another hobby in life and play less poker. Might make you a better person.

Cant see how this is a fair solution. That would mean if Marc's swap had cashed he would of had to pay Make-Up off with the winnings! I cant see that he was thinking this at the time of swapping.

That really isnt what the thread says!

However it appears his backers are now aware and are going to make sure it gets sorted.

Can we now get back to finding out who Jeeves is please

If you're still awake mate Flush Entity claiming the following on 2+2

"The OP is not the only person who swapped 5% with Marc at EPT Berlin, and he is also not the only person that hasn't yet been paid."

Oh my. Hope that isn't true.

edit: quote from flush entity for transparency on the thread

""The fact was that i only had a small piece of myself and was some on MU etc so there is NO WAY i would of swapped 5% with ANYONE,"

Sorry Marc, but you're just straight up lying at this point. You did swap 5% with someone else, and you haven't paid him either. I'm not one to air out people's dirty laundry, but why do these situations always seem to come up with you? Was your swap with that other person also a "misunderstanding" and only "in his head"?

Get your act together."

Really Patrick, you just sat there and read that post and said or thought " oh my"..... Get some swear words in your vocabulary.

marc swapped 22 5%'s and tried to bust out every hand but they kept folding. DOH

#couldnttakeanymore
#foudnthedeuce

I wonder what "$80 for a that little bit of lfmagic" was all about in OPs 1st msn quote is?

Obviously they bought a small share in lfmagic, Luke Fields- and one owes other for it

Lol. You really feel for that???
What's your take on it Trigg. Should he pay

luke sold a package and marc asked lewis if he wanted a piece. Luke successfully sells packages most nights.

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/lfmagic/

Yeah but he is a fecking cod head and there is no forgiving that

Nice one. Cheers.

It isn't taking sides in a partisan way, I don't know either of the sides, and I'm not saying I qualify as a "reputable" member of the community.  But after the skype chats published (unless you are claiming these are doctored) no reasonable person is going to say anything other than full 5% ~ no matter how many people you ask to mediate.

You may not have meant to trade, but you are liable for your own actions, and you have clearly swapped a full 5% of EPT cash even if you didn't realise it at the time.  Now it is simply a case of paying for your mistake, learning your lesson and in future, check your trades/swaps to ensure there is no ambiguity.

Further, if the skype chats are genuine, and then you come on with a "100% I'm not paying 5%" then maybe you could reflect that isn't ever helping your reputation?  If that was how you felt, you should have been flagging that at the first opportunity, not giving him the runaround with "yea, 2mrw"

Clearly you have a future in gambling, because your decisions at the table are a lot better than your decisions off it.

Someone r not telling the truth here. Just pay the guy if u really
swapped the 5% he mentioned. I don't think someone will come to
this forum and try to create story . I think I believe
he's telling truth. I meant one of them !   Confused

What exactly was 5% of the money you took home Marc? You offered 2 different figures in the op, initially 3000 euros and $2000 at a later date are either of these that number?

I'd just like to add that I've probably done between 30 and 50 financial transactions with Marc over the past 12 months, many of which were 4figures, and I haven't add a single problem or even slight delay in any of them - in fact, were somebody to say "who's the best person to back in terms of reliability and speed of payment?", Marc would be one of the first names that springs to mind.

So all this is surprising to say the least.

Man oh man.

Some of the stuff I've learned about Marc Wright just defies belief.

How he manages to keep such loyal friends is beyond me.

The people who still invest and buy shares in him need their heads examined.

He will scam you. Maybe not this week, this month or even this year.

But it will happen. A leopard does not change his change his spots.

Mr Shoelace posted this in the "other" thread, think it's pretty apt


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

he got mad skillz tho

Looks like you owe the guy 4k Mark.

All my dealings with Mark have been very good tbh, although they have been tiny amounts comparatively and some watching team viewer sessions.

can we link the 2p2 thread?  hate wading about looking for stuff over there.

Doesn't sound like Marc has many outs on this one.

dont know either of them, but from reading all the posts, esp the emails/skypes (if not altered in any way) then marcs side of it has so many changes of lines to be taken/what he agreed to etc that anyone mediating will surely go with the other guy, whos story remains constant.
hope they get it sorted, but things never go back to how they were after something like this happens, imo.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/marc-wright-aka-dean23price-still-scamming-july-2012-a-1220540/

I was reading this last night and was amazed to see how he can attempt to do it again and totally agree with Camel and what he has said.

Looking through the opening post you can see that Lewis has been more than reasonable and to be fair, very lucky that he is reasonable as it seems he is owed £4k. Marc has said in his reply that it's not £4k or whatever, but in the screenshots he says he is going to send £4k, then it ends up being £3k, then $2k, but apparently Marc is not scamming these days, but yet was bargaining with the price.

Then throughout Marc's replies on here it seems to me he is making excuses and trying to point the finger at Lewis mentioning that he is on a downswing, why on earth does that matter? The money is still his, but now he needs it more than ever. Then to add injury to insult he says for Lewis to get in touch to sort this out ASAP, why on earth has it not been sorted yet, you have had 2 months. It's just a joke. Bargaining, then lying. But that is how scamming works, eh?

If I swap % with anyone it's always clear how much we swap and I am sure it's the same with everyone else.

You know what they say, leopards never change their spots.

" Sometimes second chances work out even better than the first........Simply because you've learned from your mistakes     "

I 100% agree that Marc owes £4k here, I know he has previous but I genuinely don't see him as anything near an out and out scammer as some are branding him. He has had to work pretty hard to clear his name and has done a pretty decent job in doing so imo. Obv if it does turn out that another 5% was swapped and not paid then I will have to recind this statement.

On a side note can we plz stop saying "leopards never change their spots", obv leapoards themselves don't, but people do change and anyone who thinks otherwise is either severly naive or just plain stupid.

Don't want to comment on the situation, but OP should surely have waited until after Marc busted the Main Event to open up this shit storm.

Why ?. Think he has waited long enough.

exactley, why should he give a fk what marc is doing atm, waited 2 months for fk all already. would u be happy MC if it was u owed money

Give the person you perceived to have scammed you the good grace of a few more days before telling the world about . That would be a whole lot more considerate than the person in question was to them.

If anything it's exactly the right time to post.

Marc has a track record of pissing money away as soon as he gets his hands on it, so with a high probability he's going to cash in the Main Event Lewis is making sure he gets his money before Marc spunks it.

Gotta disagree  - the EXACT right time to post is when the bubble bursts and he is still in but guaranteed $20k

Really ? If he owed you that money for this long are you really saying you'd think, oh someone with a bad history is constantly fobbing me off but I'll let him finish off in the Main 1st as I don't want to put him on tilt or distract him, that's ludicrous.

Lewis moved house and the proofs were on another computer etc so is the reason why he posted now rather than ME etc. He told Marc numerous times that he was going to post on 2p2 and I think he said something back like. LOLOLOLOL go and do it.

I do hope it doesn't effect Marc though and really do hope he binks in the main. I think even Lewis would be happy for Marc to do well in the main as well as he genuinely thinks he is at heart a nice guy (even if he did call him an inferior player etc)

I hope after all this gets sorted they can meet up (EPT Barca?) have a beer, shake hands and become friends. Lewis said that even in that 2 days they spent together he learned a lot from Marc talking about hands together and has a huge respect for his game (hence buying % in lfmagic who Lewis hadn't ever met before because Marc recommended him)

I presume James means that OP has much more chance of getting paiiid, if Marc cashes the main.

It's with behaviour like this I just do not understand how he keeps such a loyal army of friends.

He is a proven scammer. liar, bad payer and multi accounter.

And he shows a complete lack of basic respect for other people.

Pretty sure I couldn't even defend my best friend if he behaved the way Marc Wright behaves.

Sighhh Marc. From what i can see you owe the man the monies, surely? I mean i don't get it, if this Lewis geezer won the EPT for 800k or whatever it was that 1st got paid, what would you expect back from your 5%, 40k?

I've 'known' Marc for about a a year and reg chat to him online and i cant help but not like the fella, maybe i'm a mug?

I've read all the previous stories about his shady past etc and lots of ppl i spk to both from Blonde and other forums etc tell me to be wary etc and point to threads on 2+2 P5 etc etc. I believe leopards can change their spots and really want/hope this to be the case for Marc.

FWIW, i swapped tons of monies with Marc for the last year and had no problem with him for the last 12 months, whether it be a small ish loan or an online xfer, although he has been a bit sketchy the last month or so he has always paid me up promptly and never knocked me for a dime.

Marc, you said to me on Skype a month or so ago about how it take yrs to build a good rep and just a short amount of time to fk that up and damage it, something your nan said to you or summat werent it? :)

It seems a shame to fk up all the hard work you have put in over the last 12 months in restoring/bettering your rep over this all this shit. Seems like you have to suck this one up?  If you under it or summat atm just grind and pay him X amount per wk? Argh, sighhhh.

well said AMATAY.Good post imo.

Why would you want to go for a beer and be friends with a guy who mugged you off?

Some weird opinions itt like 'I would like to say he paid me on time thou', lol what is the relevance of that? It's like a girl who got slapped by her bf hearing his ex's say 'he never slapped me thou'. So what?

Surely that means the current gf is doing something wrong?

lol most of the stuff posted in here is pure drivel. This is what happens when your kacks are washed in public Marc ! . It's a no brainer pay and be loved or welch and be hated  : )

Surprised the guy hasn't posted to say he's been weighed in yet tbh. sigh sigh Marc

What difference?  Even if he pays now, he has still shown his true colours underneath.  That's where your real rep should be measured.

Would any of his blonde backers consider future backing even given his obvious game talent.

prob , some people will never be able to see past what looks like a easy buck. thats why they keep going to the 'find the lady' people at the races, oh and btw , they seem nice people at the start.

1.01 on Betfair.

Classic work from bad payers.

Flick off thee people that don't matter, pay those you hope will lend/stake you in the future.

TJ Cloutier has rolled this way for 30 years. Lyle Berman is always paid, because Lyle puts him in 10k tournies, Joe Public who he scams for $500 don't matter.

Risk is factored into the price anyway. He is better than people who sell at a lot higher prices so u know risks when u buy

So yeah I'd buy shares in him on stars still at low prices for sure

agree.

 So true , no getting away from it .

In reference to' loved' i meant i still think his staking threads will be popular. By not paying i see no benefits for Marc whatsoever. Is 4k really worth that much to you ? Losing all credibility within a tight-knit community from the last few people that had any time for you.

Such a degen situation to put yourself in.              

Hate to point out the obvious but i can safely bet he hasn't paid because he ain't got it! Its not like he is choosing not to pay at this precise time but has 100k in his pocket, he probably just bang under it like everyone has been at one point

I'd rather buy a share in a weaker but honest player who'll 100% pay me if they cop.

Why all the bs lies though?

Why not just say "I'm skint, I'll pay you when I've got it".

100000 times better than all his "I will bank tx it tomorrow" etc

As has been pointed out itt Dubai, he has had some big scores including a big scoop score and a 2nd in the supersonic.

Anybody who knows Lewis knows he's a really really nice guy and Marc would probably know that Lewis would be fine if Marc said I'm under ti I'll send asap rather than "I'll send tomorrow" which relates back to the initial problems last year.

As far as staking people who are confirmed grimmers, it basically allows any good player to just grim whenever they want then sell at 1.15 because it still represents value. I'm not saying this is the case with Marc but thinking about say EPT Barcelona, lets say I win 1m, grim everybody and then sell for some WSOP $1500 etc, I can then sell to other people on Blonde who didn't have a piece in the EPT because it represents value?

Seems flawed but maybe I'm talking bollocks.

Yeah for sure. But some people too proud etc, when everyone has been there so people do understand if you just honest and say am under it

With any market you have to assume imperfect knowledge exists.  Some won't read this thread (or other threads) and think that 1.15 is amazing value, not aware that there is a risk element priced in.  So, tehy aren't getting the value they thought they were.  Holding on indefinitely believeing its the best chance you have of getting paid actually propagates that situation.

If i didn't buy pieces of MW it would mean buying pieces in a worse player at probs a higher price or god forbid actually playing myself. I will probs carry on doing so until I get grimmed personally. #gamblersgonnagamble

Maybe Moorman's next business venture could be Grimming Insurance?

Hi Millidonk, if u did buy bits of him and he flimped u for say 30K what would u do about it? serious ?

Too proud ? That doesn't make any sense at all ?

I should probably add that Marc has never grimmed me and probably wouldn't. He even put a bet on a dog when was at track for me and paid out that evening via bank Xfer. Think I even borrowed a few k on stars for a couple days off him before as well

Probs kidnap a family member or set his house on fire.

Marc loves people thinking he is good, he'll tell u that- therefore to admit he is busto even after winning x amount probably hurts his ego too much. So lies etc instead. When it's miles better if he just says he is under it

I don't understand all Marc's claims that he defo doesn't owe 5% now when he agreed on skype to ship the 5% like 8 times.

^ wish i could do that head in hands man picture

and a dress?

Why is he so busto if he's really that good? Seems beyond bad BRM to me.

He'll pay, pretty much no doubt about this.

Everything will go quiet for a while.

He'll go back into boasting, egotist mode "pretty sure I'll win the tournament".

Then he'll win the Sunday 500 or something being staked, spunk off thousands on Betfair or online roulette or something

And then he'll grim the backers.

Again.

prob like most people who gamble, they bet too much on things they know fk all about for the buzz etc.
doesnt matter if you win/earn £1million and lose it all, or earn/win £100 and lose it all if thats all u got u busto.

He wont admit it but he punts it all away.

He has a serious problem somewhere doesn't he? But I still ask the question of why he gets staked anyway if he is that good? He has a hole in his pocket somewhere and he won't tell us where.

After looking at this and his previous comments and threads, you can see there is quite clearly money problems when you read through his posts.

to be fair . it's his business what he degens his money on, whether that be gambling or whatever.
The issue here is why Marc decided to string matey along with constant broken promises of payment.
I think that in realising his verbal 5% swap was a bad deal for him after the event, and just not wanting to do the right thing and weigh the poor guy in.
The guy will get paid , just a shame it has to lead to  Marc's character gets ripped apart in the process,  but like i said earlier ' such a degen situation to put YOURSELF in'

Who gives a fuck what he does with his own money he has made a lot of money for blondes ad it is not up to us to judge what he does with his own money . He's entitled to put the whole lot on zero of he wants. He shouldn't e victimised for being degen as long as he is honest and pays people what he owes. This is the one case where e has acted ool vs 1000+ successful transactions.

If flush entity post is correct and he swapped with numerous people ten it ofc changes everything and it's almost constant rijkenburgh territory.

Is the right thing not for his backers to pay Lewis a then add the money on to his makeup which he will grind off. Of he's busto then it doesn't matter and backers don't lose anything and with his huge roi and huge volume 5k isn't going to be a huge hit.

No panic I think it's all been sorted now.  Tikay and Jeeves  have just kicked the doors into Marcs suite, tied him up and gave him a slap. They may be a while however as Jeeves is sorting the three prostitutes out and Tikay is hoovering the rest of the white stuff off the bathroom mirror. Job done

It's not "the right thing" for the backers to do, but it would be a very nice gesture for sure.

Why is it nobody's business to know what he does with his money?

Would you back a complete degen?

Of course he can blow his money on whatever he wants, like u say as long as he pays what he owes, but thats the trouble ha hasnt paid cos hes blown it all first.
people getting off there heads on smack dont bother me , but i dont want them breaking into my house to pay for the sh1t, which is what they do.

Well when it's not his money he's punting with then it's fair to criticise him for it.

Fwiw I know Marc has improved his behaviour but this isn't the only bad thing he's done since his reformation to knock someone.

I speak with Marc on skype and can't help but like him but he hasn't changed 100% and still has a long way to go until people trust him.

If I was the backer, I absolutely wouldn't do this.

If this thread turns out that there are many people waiting on monies owed then i agree it's in their interest as what he has degened money on.
As this is only one guy laying claim to 4k from a verbal arrangement and given the runaround by the other , then yes what the fuck has it do with anyone what Marc Wright spends his money on .

He needs to quit gambling.

Trying to be subtle obv failed.

It has nothing to do with other people if he blows his personal money on hookers and blow but when people are staking him for gambling and he is doing his money regularly on another form of gambling then that is potentially a problem.

fwiw the guy hates drugs so it'll just be the hookers :D

Wtf is wrong with him?

havnt read, just skipped to here. As i said, i didnt agree to swap 5% with lewis, anyone with a brain cell should understand that swapping with somone who you know nothign about seems kinda silly right, especially when u dont have much of urself.
Not anything i can do seeing as lewis wont tlk to me, so guess its closed.

There is something you can do, pay the money.

nothing you can do because paying up your dues obviously isn't the marc wright way.

probably sticking my nose in here were i should not but

if the msn chatlogs are true (and it appears they are) then im not sure how railtard can deny the money?

states a few times he is sending the money today/tonight/ tommorow

Marc, if you didn't swap anything why did you ever say you would give him any money - i think people just can't get their head around that side of the story if it is as you say it is?

Pfft really? closed? Don't know either of you guys but yeah you owe him 5%; i'm a nobody in the poker world but fair few decent regs here already posted here; not seen one post that agrees with your logic here. You have grimmed. your chats with him show this

You say you 5 want decent pro players to mediate- go through the forum there are more than 5 on this thread.

As for taking sides; you are far more known & have won a lot of money for blonde members; some even consider you a friend, why would people take Lewis side; he rarely adds anything to the community unlike yourself

So i never agree to swap 5%.
We never agreed anything is the truth and i think lewis knows that.
I know we defo discussed it and lewis beieved we swapped 5%, the most i would of swapped would of been 5% of what i made from it after selling etc.
I dont know what a fair amount to settle was and hadnt payed it yet.
If he spoke to me today, and we agreed an amount that is fair today, i would pay him today, or wen i leave america and can access stuff properly. Thats it, thread should be locked cos it serves no purpose IMO.

everyone should take lewis side he is clearly been wronged by a bad un

I think your backers may be sorting this out for you. Then you pay them.

Have I read the 2P2 right?

Did you make any more % swaps in the same event?



Regards

M  

Every time I feel a tiny bit of sympathy for Marc, he goes and types something like that and it disappears.

Just pay the man his money, and we'll see you here in 9 months time next time you try to scam someone.

Well I'd say sharing a hotel room with someone you've never met before is even more stupid and invalidates your point.

fk sake marc, man up. It's far from closed - don't look for the easy get out. Do the right thing.

thred shows what your upto. what about the allegations on 2p2? thred should be open i want blooood for your scum baggery

Requoted since you don't feel it's necessary to read the thread.

yeh i swapped some with an online guy on like day 4 wen we had both the same stack. I paid him some and still owe him some. That was just lazyness and i have just messaged him regarding that. That is in no way siimlar to the lewis case. I swapped with someone i have swapped with before and someone who's game i know well.

not gona comment anymore, gona log out from here and stuff. Lewis isnt replyign on here or to mu fb pm so pretty hard for me to tlk to him

LOL ur replies are doin ur Rep the world of good

What nobody understand is why you told him you would pay him if you had no intention of doing so?  Surely you can see you have handled this badly?

I don't know either of the parties involved but this seems like the clearest cut case of owing the 5% that there is.

Marc hasn't challenged the chat logs so they're obv legit.

Marc clearly acknowledges that there is money owed. The contention is obviously how much.

5% in some capacity is the obviously accepted figure.

Marc says that he would never swap in this situation.

But Marc acknowledges that some kind of ambiguous swap has taken place. For someone who never swaps there should be no ambiguity here. It should have been a clear no from the start.

So given the ambiguity on the exact details, and the fact that 5% is an accepted figure, Marc owes the full 5% of the total cash. This is the "standard". Anything differing from the standard should be explicitly pointed out and agreed between both parties. This clearly wasn't the case.

Lewis isn't online at the minute, anyone with a braincell would obv realise he isn't going to blank you when he wants his money that he's owed.

I've been playing poker a long time, I've never heard of "5% of what I make" before.

How is Lewis supposed to know how much to pay if he cops?

dear oh dear oh dear . you dont help yourself do you Marc.
Very lame response on here  along with Fresh allegations on 2+2 .
Fighting your corner just became impossible .

FFS you want the thread locked and it all to go away but it wont lol . Sometimes you have to take it on the chin and accept that this situation is all of your doing.
 Show a bit of class man and get this resolved today then you can say fk the haters !

Yh im accepting that i will defo owe him something. If we can work on something that is fair (taking into account i didnt and wouldnt of agreed to 5%) then ill snap sort it out

I think Lewis communication line was basically, he wants the 5% and Marc knows his details, he is posting on the forums to get it resolved, if he doesn't get paid then he tried to warn others about it in the future.

I'm almost 99% sure he wasn't intending to continue the negoitation online after the previous interchanges.

Although if I am wrong then apologies, but its definitely reasonable that Marc has tried to get in touch or has logged in to see Lewis deleted him off Facebook or something.

"I'll snap sort it out"

Like in the chat logs?

You word means nothing.

What are you doing???

No matter what the truth is here regarding the swap, you are killing any rep you had in the community. With these responses, which are half hearted, full of holes.

Seriously take some time to read the whole thread and make a reasoned statement in response. Unfortunately for you, this is probably too late. As I (and probably others) have formed negative opinions of you from this thread and past transgressions.

I don't u both but if u say u going to swap 5% of what u make , how can u work it out
b4 the tourney started?  So if u gave him 5% of what u make,  how do Lewis gave u his 5% if
he's playing the whole 100% for himself and u r playing like 20% of urself !
That's not fair !!! But u all should agreed to 1st b4 tourney started. Either way
Mark looking at what it's been posted here , I sincerely think u should pay him.
Just my opinion .

give peas a chance

just lol

Another great post from you. Turned out to be such a good prediction.

M power posts are great

Just a huge sigh that i got a ban for swearing at someone, and this plank can grim people, talk utter bollocks and then not get a ban. Administrators - seriously get your ship in order, remove helmets like this and stop banning people who come out with a slightly controversial comment once in a blue moon.

Seems pretty clear to me that 5% is owed to the OP, ship the monies and save what's left (if any) of your rep IMO.

banning him sure will sort out the situation

Why wasnt he banned after the first round of grimming?

After reading this I very much doubt you will ever sell or swap % again

I will bet he does at 1/2.

I'll take 1/5

It's off-forum stuff.

We're not the mods of real life.

Just a FWIW i doubt Marc is busto (in the strictest sense, dunno cash wise) as he recently bought his own house.

If only you were.

Just post a video of yourself crying saying your sorry and you will sort yourself out asap like Brad Booth. That works

And don't forget the flat cap. It is the key

I agree.

Millidonk will for sure :)

Marc, wtf even is this you literally defy logic with some of the stuff you do.

It's 4 grand ffs, literally fuck all in the grand scheme you know if these stories come out about you this will happen - just begrudingly ship the £4k and be done with it.

What's going to happen now is you're going to be paying the £4k and facing yet another horrible hit to your rep. So stupid. I hope for your sake much other stuff doesn't come out but my only advice is if you wanna stay in gambling for as long as you should given your game then you really need to sort your fucking life out mate.

Embarrassing tbh.

I don't understand why you would want somebody of his nature as part of your community though?

Then post a few days ago instead?

Batch was also buying his own house

Standard. Even if I was 99% likely to be grimmed I would still have a better chance of receiving a return than if i had backed you Jase. SKADOOSH. Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Thanks for that. I'm sure that if you were making the decisions, everyone would agree with you all of the time.

For the record, we ban people for swearing at someone. We do not ban people for talking bollocks because that would mean banning most of the members, myself included.

We do not take responsibility for people's financial arrangements.

Lastly, how does swearing at someone become 'a slightly controversial comment' in the space of one short paragraph?

I thought exactly the same tbh.

How do you know he's 'bought it?

Gfy. I have been coming up with a plan to grim you guys for a while but just as I am about to implement it some fecker beats me to it stealing my idea

Surely that would involve you being able to get staked fella. It ain't 1994 anymore. You would have to sell at like 0.2

It means having a pop at somebody who is covered by the forcefield of the blondepoker clique (yourself included). Yes i am sure saying that will mean people hate me, but i have a life outside of BPF so i'm not really that bothered.

Nothing personal to anyone, just the clique thing here is pretty cringeworthy. Everytime a clique member posts something moderately interesting, mass brownosing occurs, whereas as insightful, beneficial posts by other less 'integral' members are often overlooked.

Sorry if this comment encroaches on what is acceptable and what's not. If so, delete/edit it and ban me for life. In the meantime, continue to allow scamming members to aquire financial support and feel great about it.

Agree with these posts.

I think thread would be really harsh, if it wasn't for the "I'm shipping 2moro" stuff, which is bad.

Despite the things he has done, I stillI think Marc is a decent guy and will see sense on this.

Was gonna sell 400 % at .5 but knowing my luck I'd cash

I do admire Tikay though. Very honourable, interesting and crucial part of this forum. Will try not to derail thread anymore (although i think in a roundabout way, its linked).

I'm not 100% certain what that means, but if you are suggesting I'm currently wearing very uncomfortable shoes, I'd agree.

I deffo got them plates spinning & hats juggling right now. ;)

I just find you an interesting person with good judgements, you do a lot for the poker community and seem to work tirelessly forthe benefit of others. Of course, feel free to correct me if i am wrong :-)

I shall not disabuse you of the view that I am an interesting character, in fact I am often likened to Corrie's Ken Barlow.

Benefit of others? Bet you wouldn't say that if you saw the sky money truck reversing down the drive. Guy is worth about 11 billion. :)

Ok I was wrong.

Sorry , just glad I was wrong and it cost me nothing.

Hope Lewis gets his cash.. Marc has dropped the ball after trying hard to go straight. But sadly does not want to make an attempt pick it up.

Regards

M

 

I saw Trickett fell for a Burberry status on Facebook earlier.

pretty sure he doesnt own his house as ive helped him move into a new house hes renting..... wish i knew what went thru his head , supposedly best friend , seems im the last to know everything.

Careful!

Nothing personal of course, but there is a chance you might be accused of brown nosing, and if people agree with you, it could even be construed as mass brown nosing.

Before you know it, you could be an integral member and part of the BPF clique.

Wouldn't that be cringe-worthy?

Marc has always been good to his word on any dealings we have had but I would say this to him

" Marc....Regardless of your current financial postion, Surely you can see the damage you are doing to your already dented reputation ?

We all make mistakes in life and people do deserve second chances , but unless you personally take the Bull by The Horns and accept full responsibility for your actions then any credibility you have left will disappear completely.

You are a great player and this would be such a waste of a talent should you continue to bury your head in the sand .

I hope you see sense and do the right thing ! "

The way Marc has conducted himself on blonde has been good - I buy pieces here knowing about Marc's past and knowing that he's done some bad things recently. I accept the risk but actually much happier that he conducts himself more properly through blonde than he does in private.

There are several members of the 'clique' as you put it that don't get along. The clique argument is boring anyway as it's the reason for a lot more positives than negatives on the site.

I'm not discussing that Jason, beyond saying NO HE DID NOT. "Really" was sarcastic "really". Sam told me that, last night, in writing.   

I would brown nose you if i didn't have to read stories of how back in the day you rode your penny farthing and some chav had a pop at you, after a mile of cycling down the road you felt a need to turn bak and scare the shit out of them.

Each to their own though and no hard feelings.

I admire Tikay too.

He must have the willpower of a monk not to comment on the subject of the thread when I reckon he really really wants to.

Awesome. That's good news then. I really don't know how you manage to stay sane.

Possibly so mate. I just find it restricts other insightful posters from speaking their mind due to fear of a backlash

Actually, you don't have to read anything.

As you say though, no hard feelings.

Tilted after reading the first 2 pages of this thread, didn't bother reading any more

Mark Wright is a fkn scumbag, how many times are posts gonna come up about him scamming?

Those defending/making excuses for him is fkn lol

Marc has done himself no favours at all in this thread.

So far Marc said he would sort it and talk to Lewis, he hasn't and had chances to sort it earlier. He also mentioned Lewis will not talk to him, obviously and surely another lie, because I am sure Lewis is happy to talk to him about money. Also, this could have been sorted today, he has Lewis' bank details doesn't he?

Marc also said he would answer all questions in this thread, but just a bit ago he just said he has not bothered reading thread. What a great attitude.

I think scumbag is the right word, for sure. I think Camel is right about everything so far.

meh, this is so dumb. i really didnt swap 5%.

Gona agree with lil dave tho and just send lewis 4k so its done with.
Not quite sure how this thread can possibly of got blown out of proportion this badly.

Just don't really think it's relevant tbh, he gave more than enough time to sort it out, think he'd just had enough so decided to post.

4K

a.£ b.€ c.$

Just wondering a.b.or.c

Regards

M

17 pages and I'll give you $100 freeroll to quote more than 5 posts where he is even remotely defended (over the 5% swap)

Defo the best bet/only way mate.

fwiw those ppl who never post on here and have been posting itt just causing shit and getting needlesly involved are terrible, so much dross

Right decision Marc - run like god tomorrow.  I don't know whats true here. It didn't look good from logs, however Only you and him know what really happened, just 90% of this pointless.  I just want to re interate I have had numerous financial dealings with you in last year, I was a bit sceptical at first, but believe in second chances and made a call based on mutual friends and meeting you - you're not like a few on here have painted you (i.e. better lol).  You have been spot on in every dealing and I don't subscribe to the theory you were "lining me up for a scam later".  If you said you're paying him, do it as quick as you can and get focused on Day Three.

The thread - thats forums I'm afraid, the good comments get mixed up with the regular trolls and the utter bollocks ones.

Good luck tomorrow

Another totally pointles post ffs - you're different class

Good point about trolls and utter bolloclks Stu

Congrats on the name change Shaun

Tikay has christened me Stu - even after i took him lattes during his deep run to support the Anvil and other drugs lol

FWIW I don't think Marc is lining up anyone for a scam.

He's a nice guy with serious problems.

Unless he gets treated for his problems, people will get grimmed in the future.

It's inevitable.

All the people that moan about the staking threads selling out too quick should be happy.

Keith is 100% right and I'm saying that as someone who can't help but like Marc

It was worse than that. I owed you £650, & mistakenly sent it to Stu. Begins with "S", see?

True story, as you know......

This thread truly is a case of the old adage of opinions and ar$eholes

I dont condone what he has done but my god there has been so many posts in here that havnt been needed by people that didnt need to get involved, that have blown this even bigger then it should of got to. Public bashing of people on the internet, jesus christ what are we 5 but i suppose thats the nature of forums  

Someone close to or a friend of this lad who knew about the situation should have given him a headups this was bound to end like this. lildave's advice should have been pounded down his ears so as to avoid the embarrassing posts he has written on here that has only made it alot worse. Any and I mean any sensible/sane/non gambling addict can tell you give him the 4k and keep your rep intact.

Obv. he has problems but if he has any real friends surly but surly if they care about him they look after him, keep an eye out for signs of slipping back into gambling, making stupid posts, grimming people etc...

We all have to show restraint, take a break and think before posting alot of the time...

keeping silent, pretending situations will resolve themselves only lead to drama.

Maybe Keith - only met you a few times but in that short period I know you'd only say something for the right and helpful reasons - just meh a bit at whole public thing...see it as a bit of a no win for Marc - if you're right don't see how discussion here helps, if you're not - well you're not.  Only Marc knows answer to that serious problem question - I don't think anyone else can have a view unless they have been stood next to him when hes punted £20k on zero or something in the last month, its speculation; and I think what Dubai said earlier is spot on; from a blonde perspective you know risk is slightly greater when you stake or have a dealing; its not like its a secret Marc likes a punt and his back story is public

I judge at face value and all the evidence I've seen in last year is Marc trying to do the right things.  I get infuriated at the trolls coming on with "scumbag", "degen" and pointless comments who tbf are clueless and just rubber necking. You are not doing that and make sensible points even if Marc may not agree - its just the public nature of it when 100% of Marcs dealings on this forum, for past 18 months have been 100% above board  Anyway, resited posting for two days, didn't want to reply to this one but felt i should as wasn't having a pop at you - just giving my view.

Anyway, I am contributing to the public thing now, so last word on it - hope it is all sorted.  

Should take it "off thread" - however funny thing was in your diary when you gave breakdown, you got it half right "Stuart Conning" - half right - even though you have always greeted me as shaun for the past three years - then carried that forweard to the bank xfer - funny how the brain works lol

It's what happens when you live your life in public, which Marc seems to want

If you want everyone to admire you and post adoratory every time you win a pot, you have to accept the downside, when you fck up, you are going to be lynched.

Plus, there is a small chance he accepts his faults and seeks out help.

Mate, you sound like such a fkin prat. Take the day off one time pls ffs

Don't try and do any favours by warning us about Marc now. Everyone who needed to knew about Marc already. You know full well that he's in Vegas right now and wouldn't be able to send Stars anyway. I sympathize for you for not being paid but posting while he's still in the main event isn't really on and you've only done that to rile him up at the expense of people other than him (mostly me and his other backers). The timing of your post certainly isn't a coincidence.

Marc you owe him 5% can't really argue it. You have to be clear in all transactions you do and it looks like ambiguity/negligence has cost you here.

Well done Marc. Common sense prevails. Just make sure you don't keep putting yourself in these spots. Make a deep run now gl.

He has said he will pay, but he has yet to do it, so don't understand all the "well done Marc" comments.

He said he was paying months ago.

yh +1 this thread is a bad idea, tbh Marc may as well knock you for the 4k now its going to make such little difference (obv he SHOULDn't actually) but this thread isn't the way to get your money

Head explodes.

Where are you at?

42 guests itt. Maybe they think its about the other mark wright from Essex

maybe they just cant believe the sh1t they are reading.
imo lewis has any right to do wtf he likes to get his money back

Why does he play as dean price anyway? What have i missed?

obv true + he is owed the money but I dont think this thread was a good way to speed up getting paid

i have been owed money (not poker) and when people start telling all thestories  instead of just coming out with the truth all rationale goes out the window and u just gotta do whatver u think will have an effect to get yer dough bac k, what you think he should do sit and wait another 2 months? shame it comes to this sort of thing but money always causes probs

There never is a good time to raise issues of monies owed and agree its unfortunate Its coincided with The WSOP Main Event, however reading The OP it would appear Lewis has been more than patient and seemingly very reasonable and probably deemed this as his last resort .

wait to see if he finals the main would be my plan, obv getting weighed in if he ships a million and in full most likely. If not there are a couple of way better ways of sorting this - the plan of 5 referee's was actually a good one tbh, speshly for Lewis who should know that no1 impartial will rule that he is owed anything less than the full 5%. I realise it's really tilting but I think he should have spoken to a few more people.

These threads are sometimes the right thing (the sorel one for e.g saving quite a few people quite a bit of money) but most of the time they are just rash, troll filled and don't offer anything positive.

Marks reelly bad at grammer two

suuperlim u could be right about timing issues etc, but gotta feel for lewis guy.
maybe its too easy to form opinions from outside view, but all things point to bad vibes for marc , as said b4 hope it gets sorted,

rofl

come on brother, don't try & lift my gag

Set a new PB for PMs today. :)

sending or receiving?  I didn't get one :(

Receiving. I'm a taker not a giver.

If Mark believes he doesn't owe the money then it is completely irrelevant whether he cashes in the main event or not.  If anything his argument would be stronger if he won millions and still refused to pay.

Some people will decide starting a thread like this is the last resort in the reclaiming their $$ process. You request ur monies for a period of weeks without resolution, then you threaten a thread and still no resolution, well guess the thread will happen. The debtor should assume teh thread will be executed at an inconvenient time and he can avoid such an eventuality by resolving at any point. So who in fact is responsible for the thread?

Btw I don't agree with this bashing of disapproving villagers who come out with pitchforks and flaming torches. That is the nature of the exposure card. If I ever found myself in bizarre spot of starting an 'I've been cheated' thread I would want loads of that shit. If it didn't create outrage with just a couple of meh comments it would be a let down.

Mantis. well said you are obv from the 'fk em all' school. u prob say what i think lol.

Stu, the only reason Marc hasn't paid is because he hasn't got the money.

I thought that was obvious.

Just lol dave.

Really? Read the op and think about it.

Yep obviously but Marc hasn't been decent enough to admit it yet.

And he never will.

It's all part of the act and lies.

Admitting he was potless doesn't sit well with the balla Marc  Wright superstar image, does it?

He thinks it's more important to be *the man*, than to be honest.

Is Dubai busto?

Don't know. Doubt it.

But I don't think Dubai would mind admitting it if he was.

Also think he would pay out on a stake even if he was busto.

At last count Dubai was known to have £4-5m just in the bank. Rumours he has $2m tied up in FTP and refuses to hold less than $10m on stars. The guy is bonkers

Can confirm this is true.  I once text him.  It was the happiest day of my life.

I wish! Obviously been busto loads of times and never minded admitting it, just an occupational hazard.

Was always taught to say "under it, doing no good" by the old school guys anyway.

Willie Tann takes this to extremes, cos he doesnt know who he owes and how much- he has to instantly reply to anyone asking how he is "No good, doing terrible"- I asked him once in general conversation, and he replied his standard line, he had won 2 tournys in 4 nights in London lol but is so trained at saying no good, it just comes out automatically

I'm currently as potless as I have been in 15 years.

Why do you think I'm not playing the main event?

Thankfully Uruguay are going to win Olympic gold for football and I'm gonna be robusto again.

You're not the only one keefy.

I prefer the term under it.

Lot of that going around. Is anyone doing alright? everyone is seems busto at the moment. Marc is clearly broke unfortunately, hope he scoops the main event.

I feel bad for lewis and its fully obv marc owes him the full 5% but think he should have taken some more advice before starting these threads, it's such a dangerous road to take.

Under it isn't anywhere near as bad as potless.

Believe me.

Don't answer this if you don't want to obv. But at what point do you say to hell with gambling and get a job? Not having any money would scare the shit out of me tbh, I don't know how you guys do it.

Sams doing ok. Jake, Toby, JP still getting by. Everyone else is somewhere between under it and potless after the WSOP

i am not fully of aware of the camels and greeks backgrounds but having had a "normal" job before gambling full time it is very very hard to leave it and go back to a "real" job

in my opinion

Who would employ me?

I can just grind $50 heads up sngs if I go totally broke.

Can make more playing those than I ever can in a job that I could actually land.

Disagree entirely. In his mind he gave the guy 3-4 months and was promised payment time and time again. If he doesn't post this thread nothing gets resolved and it also helps for the future and for the other guys who havn't yet been paid from the swaps (flush entity i guess)

plenty people in UK doing well just getting it quietly. Dave Burn and the likes.

So much variance i MTT's I guess almost all of the guys playing who aren't super huge will usually be busto as they never have stable income and get into huge MU, by the time they get paid they owe a chunk.

Cash is king etc.

10% pls

LOLZ

Was talking about my friends. Obviously theres a million kids out there clicking away getting it done

this is one of the darkest times for UK poker I think. We'll all be back though :) Flushy or Moorman win the main event should keep everyone in action for at least a yr or two :SD

@Pleno - imo this thread just isn't going to achieve anything I think you actually could have arbitrated this privately and seen a much better resolution but maybe not, decent chance you're right.

Under It = Needing a win, but still in the game i.e you have plenty of actual outs.

Busto/Potless = Have no money/are not in the game.

I actually semi-enjoy being under it, would obv rather just have the cake but IDK feels kinda pressured and "hectic" being under it it's actually quite good fun once you've been there a few times and realise it's not that big of a deal

I think potless is one step above busto.

Busto is the one for being out of the game altogether.

Marc posted in the thread somehing along the lines of

"There is no way I am going to pay the 5%, thread closed"

you posted your wisdom/made him see sense

"ok will send the £4k"

The past 3 months was negotiations, false promises, uncertainty etc, its taken less than 24 hours and is resolved.

It isn't resolved until he actually sends #justsayin

Ahh those were the good days. Willie once tried to nip me in Vegas for my last 20 bucks. He should learn to choose his marks better.

Gotta love the old boys. Saw a tweet the other day. Mike the Mouth is trying to needle Sam Grizzle and asks him "do you even know how much money you owe Sam?" Grizzle relies "No but I do know I'd like to owe some more". :)

Played cash with him a couple of years ago at Caesars, I don't think I've ever laughed so much at a poker table, very funny guy.  ;D

One of the first time I ever went to a casino... Golden Nugget in Shaftesbury Avenue.

I did my bollocks on roulette when an old fella approached me.

"excuse me sir, you couldn't see fit to lend me £200?"

"I'm skint."

"Oh. Can I lend you £20 then?"

haha Kieth, Love it

k so have communicated with lewis and we have made an agreement.

We both could of handled the situation better and should of clarified what % we were swapping in the first place. Lewis would of paid me 5% if he had won, in which case i do owe him 5%. I genuinely didnt think we had swapped 5% tho. I got lazy with the situation and then came to vegas.

This thread has de-railed pretty badly as usual, but there has been some good advice in it.
I am home from vegas at the weekend (hopefully later than that) and the agreement myself and lewis will be met by this time next week. I think he will be posting here to confirm this.

Im sorry for some of my responses in this thread, but it was obv pretty tilting to read so much negativity about myself at anytime but especially when im playing the biggest poker torny of my life and away from home. Also over what is clearly a misunderstanding / down to bad communication.

Some of the trolling in this thread was not needed, but i guess to be expected.

Wont be checking back here for a while now as playing main event in morning and stuff, but i fullx expect lewis to post here soon and confirm everything i have just written.

thanks, marc

Always knew you would see sense and sort it. Gl in the main

If true, and presumably it is, good recovery. Gl in the main and clear your head and sort it out after. Rooting for you in the main, love the style and don't even hate the arrogance. Run good

Seemed a pretty clear case of you not really thinking it through at the time. It's clear to see that Lewis didnt think it was complicated at all and that you were swapping 5% face-up... as with any casual agreement, given he didnt know you were in MU and didnt have all of yourself etc. Obv if you'd thought about it at the time you would have done things differently, but paying up does seem fair, given he would clearly have paid 5%.

Obv sucks having to chuck in 4k, esp if you dont have loads of spare $, but does seem the correct thing to do. Shame it couldnt have been discussed quicker and moderated sooner in a non-public arena (the OP didnt look great for you).

Wp for agreeing to pay-up though... expensive mistake, but doesn't seem like you have much option given evidence.

GL in the main. Win it and blow it all on sex ffs!

Well I am amazed at your attitude to be honest and having read your stuff for years I can't believe how much you have changed in 4 months. You should read this thread from the start SOBER.

It's all about respect. The guy put him up in his room and got shat on! Cos the shitter happens to be uk online/blonde glitterati you all come out with excuses. We see it all the time live. Same old shit.

Bad enough TK being lumbered with him so don't you stick up for him.

Your rep is everything in this game Dave

I think some of the comments especially the Camel makes about Marc's arrogance is unfair. All of those posts with his graphs and about his record are in OPs to staking threads. He's selling himself.

If he just posted "Hi I'm Marc Wright you all know me so I won't bother with an intro, please stake me", I'd bet my bottom dollar (even if I was potless ;)) that you'd abuse him for that too.

Not saying that he isn't arrogant, and I'm certainly not saying he's in the right here, I don't and I'm pleased to see he's owned up and promised to do what is right. I just think that people are using this thread as an excuse to get on the bandwagon to rain all sorts of abuse on Marc, some of which is unwarranted.

Lol at being lumbered with me. hahahahahaha, made me laugh. Im here with my family, but say what u feel u need to.

What have I said to make you think any of this?

I agree 100% about the room thing but that was never the discussion.

I'll quote the first post I made ITT


Marc obviously owes the money it's not even a question, I fail to see how I've even remotely defended him. I said that the thread was badly timed and poorly judged, which I still think it is.

I feel like i'm dragged into the "defending marc" crowd (which im not) because I didn't say "aww poor lewis what a horrible spot" or "Marc's a sumbag scamming piece of shit" all of which is pointless dross and is what 88% of this thread is. Ironically what I've said has actually been some of the most useful in the whole thread, imo. It's obviously a bad spot and I defo feel bad for Lewis but it's not news isn't any of this and these things get blown up and have bad affects for lots of different people (this will be bad for people you dont realize and affect them as well - obv most people dont know this, but it's true)

Just to affirm my position. Marc 100% owes the 5%, not even worth typing it's so obvious. Marc is OOL by not paying/dodging and you won't find a single post by me on this thread that will say anything different.

Your post is actually so far off the mark (directly related to this thread also) for reasons I can't even tell you because they are confidential. So I'm quite tilted by it, speshly as you call me a drunk at the start of the post. I know you're a nice guy though so I'm not annoyed by it/you at all

Keith has seen situations like this many times i would guarantee.
 Dubai also makes a great point about players being " under the cosh". No way that someone who's under it, is going to give a second thought to paying a % swop to a random before he pays his backers and cops a few quid for himself. Im not saying its right but its the hard truth.

Also grimming stakees or backers is totally different to not paying out a % swop. Wrong but not the same.

For the record , in my opinion the 5 % definitely stands for the amount he cashed and nothing else

I dont think he meat the graphs. It's more the "18 players left, I'm probably going to win" or in live table telling the rail "he's terrible, he's gonna blow, e can't take anymore" etc

I understand why pol would hate this, especially so soon after the last troubles but personally I always found it pretty hilarious.

I thought Camel's views were pretty good itt. Nice to see a proper old school pro uphold some morality. Personally I don't know who Marc Wright is and don't want to rain all sorts of unwarranted abuse down as you say, anyway I like arrogance. But reading op I can see crystal clear that this fella mugs off op day after day. Op asks politely for his $$ and is told it will be shipped time and again, but it never is. I'm sorry but that behaviour isn't acceptable nomatter who it is. Those responses coupled with Railtard's dismissive responses itt would lead any neutral to conclude negative comment is justified and brought about by his own actions. Nobody is to blame for the negativity except Railtard himself. I'm sure if I owed you money and mugged you off time and time again over a number of weeks you would have something negative to say. And I would thoroughly deserve that.

This topic has got me concerned, ok the swap happened off forum, but why would any forum with a strong staking sub forum allow this to happen, I mean the eveidence is pretty damning, and for some one who has been messed about in a swap/stake agreement I find it hard to fathom how he's being allowed to continue. He's got a profile, players clearly look up to him, he's acted badly, and done it before, sorry Marc but most people wouldn't act the way you have, and if they did I reckon they'd be banned. Why is Marc so different, is there an elite group of untouchables here?

read the staking forum rules

Blonde is a free forum, with a free staking sub forum. Do you really expect us to investigate, decide upon, and then take responsibility for everyone's financial transactions and agreements?

What's wrong with people looking after their own affairs?

Also, I have to say that I'm heartily sick of this 'elite group of untouchables' bollocks. What the fuck is that accusation about? That's a direct insult to the integrity of all the mods, who by the way give countless hours of their time and take endless flack for no reward other than the satisfaction of making blonde a nice place.

Why do they have an untouchable clause? Seriously, it's clear he's not running off from facing his issues, which is great, but it doesn't sit well having repeat offenders commended for just doing what most people do anyway, and that's pay what they owe, without a song and dance. Would it be different if Marc had asked for advice on here, I think so, but it took an irate player posting on here to bring him to admit the debt.

Fair play on the apology and offer to re pay though Marc, but actions like yours is a reason why poker still has a shady image, it's the game you damage as much as your own reputation, think about that the next time you want to not pay someone what they're owed.

Can open. Worms everywhere.

Apologies, should have chosen my words better. I respect and have faith in the integrity of the mods, and those involved with blonde.

you quite clearly dont!

with regards to staking threads, everyone decides where they put their money, blonde merely has a helpful place where these things can be traded/discussed. If you dont like, dont buy.

There were loads of people I wanted to buy action in this summer, but I chose not to because of mark up. You always have a choice as to whether you send someone money on here or not.

Why do poker forums always have to be so polarising? You're either 100% on someone's side or 100% against them. That's almost never the case. It's ridiculous for example that lildave comes in saying this might not be a good way to get paid, and could have been handled better and suddenly he's on Mark's side? WTF?

And this mods thing has the potential to become just as ridiculous. If you run a forum as a commercial enterprise (which blonde is) then you must have some form of due care and responsibility to financial transactions that occur on it involving its members.

That's obviously not to say though that mods should be checking and vetting every thread, or should even be blamed when things go wrong. But let's not make everything so black and white. Has that nice porn book taught us nothing. Everything is shades of grey.

Just my ¢2

I very much do, and have also sent a further apology to Red-Dog.

That is a ridiculous thing to say. The rules of the staking board are clear. 300 posts is the protection they have implemented. If blonde had any financial recourse over a grim, they simply wouldn't offer the service.

Given the popularity of those boards, it is clear that it is something the members want and therefore are happy with what is provided.

There is risk in everything in life. You assess your own risk and go from there! I have never bought a piece of someone I don't know, that is how I reduce my risk. Everyone has their own parameters.

No problem Matt.

I'm sorry I had a rant. it's just that we go to extremes to be totally fair and impartial.

XX

Thanks for sort of proving my point with your reply. Is ridiculous really necessary? Can you not just say you disagree? Anyway...

My point was more that you can't just wash your hands and say buyer beware. Well you can, but I don't think that's the correct approach when you run a business that makes money as a result of providing a community of poker players to be served to advertisers. Surely you need to protect that community to a certain extent and have a degree of responsibility towards it when providing a forum like this.

That's, OFC, not to say that the degree of responsibility is huge. But there is SOME degree of responsibility there hence the 300 posts rule and monitoring of those threads. Perhaps that's all it needs, but to just leave it to manage itself is madness imo.

:D, fwiw I tried to stay as neutral as possible in the thread giving pros and cons in almost all post.

Ah maybe I misjudged it. You wouldn't get that on 2+2.

What about an elected panel to sort out disagreements, with a % of the dispute going to compensate them for their time, might make people work a bit harder and be more reasonable when discussing disputes. I've not thought this through fully, but could it be a deterrent to any would be scammers, or angle shooters.  

How the hell you got that e horse shit sarnies through still makes me smile :)

I think I am in the elite group. I know I was overlooked for the advent calendar but figure that was a simple oversight by the mods. New members should realise they can't just stroll into the elite group, it takes thousands of creative and insightful posts and even then you might not make it. You have to be special like me and Kinboshi to have a chance of making elite.

I was with you right up until you mentioned Kinboshi.

You would easily make it into the elite group if it wasn't for your short fuse and violent ways. Take some anger management and we'll talk.

As far as i am aware, Marc has been staked for many thousands on Blonde and i've not read of any grimming involving the dealings that occurred via Blonde.

Yet somehow Blonde ,and it's staking forum, are in the wrong ?

I used to be pretty good at cluedo as a kid, guess i must be getting old.

Sandy

Polarising

Seems like a very small minority that think the blonde staking forum is in the wrong!

Is it possible Blonde is not in the wrong, but could be wise to learn some lessons from this to prevent it happening in the future?

It doesn't have to be blonde is wrong or blonde is right. That just puts people's backs up for no reason.

I'm pretty sure no one is saying blonde are in the wrong, and are just trying to suggest ways to constructively help these events.

[X] made calendar
[X] think i am in the elite group
[ ] ever made a creative or insightful post
[ ] banned twice ( once for a month )in same year I made a calendar
[X] only member of elite group

I believe Blonde has done an excellant job in facilitating the possibility of Lewis getting his 5%.

Marc knows his reputation is on the line and the only way for him to carry on asking for

staking through blonde is by paying up.

The Mods probably had some tough decisions to make on this particular issue and I congratulate

them for letting the thread take it's course.

Is there really a need for a staking board on the forum at all?

supply and demand

How many lessons do people need? You seem to assume that individuals aren't intelligent enough to think for themselves.

The staking forum is there, it provides not only a tool for stakees to put up their requests but also a platform to question whether the request is justified. We see it all the time, stakees being questioned and also other members providing input as to why they think a request is a good one or bad.

As it is Marc who is being questioned here, I'll use his case, members are fully aware of his problems in the past and importantly also his efforts to put things right.

Members decide themselves, knowing all risks whether they are prepared to take a punt when he requests staking.

They are aware of these risks as the platform that is blonde has provided this information through various threads on and off the staking board and most stakers are aware.

Seems to be the way of the world these days that some don't want to take responsibility when things go wrong when they make a choice that goes wrong and expect others to sort it out for them.

And this:


Geo

Nobody wants aggro and conflict in their lives , so If people gave more thought to their actions and considered the long term implications there would be no need for a panel .

In any case , a panel could only adjudicate when both parties are willing ,however if somebody has set their stall out to scam from the outset then normally they are long gone with the money and the police are the only viable option .

Better to be nice and show respect to people from start to finish .

Re the staking board, there is very obvious example over on 2+2 where people are banned from the Marketplace for transgressions regarding staking and other shady behaviour. In fact you need privileges to even trade on that part of the forums. So that forum does police its staking boards so there is a precedent here.

You're probably right and I'm minded to agree with you. I honestly don't have strong opinions on this, and it's not something I am involved in.

I just felt the discussions were being pushed into a corner on all manner of things in this thread, the staking forum being one of them, where they had to take an absolute opinion.

It's healthy for blonde and for the staking forum that people can question it, and how its run.

10% pls Phil.


There was a desire from members for some kind of staking board, seeing as these deals were being done anyway. However, for something which Blonde would make no money from, a decision was taken that Blonde would be hands-off when it came to disputes and that caveat emptor would be the golden rule.

The 300 post rule is some kind of defence against chancers and that only established members can sell but, ultimately, we're not your mum. You can tie your own shoelaces.

"Everyone knows the problems with so-and-so...."

Well you do if you are in the know...

For new members, or older members not in the know, as well as those that don't bother to do any research, there is a case to say that some protection could be offered.  2+2 ban people from the marketplace (or outright) for shady shit, PTP brand the dodgy ones "Do Not Stake" as part of their Username/Avatar etc.  I've had situations where I was definitely left to deal with a bad stake application where others knew stuff and either assumed I would know it too (or just cba to tell me)  

So, level 1 is no protection bun-fight, caveat emptor.  Level 2 is prohibiting select individuals from offering or buying stakes via Blonde.  Level 3 is not having staking threads any more.

I'm fine with level 1, these aren't "widows and orphans" pension funds we are dealing with.  I'm also fine with level 2.  Level 3 would definitely not be my choice.

Good Point

Thus far though I would suggest the staking board has worked pretty well (in the main ) but if it had to be policed or there was a panel ruling the roost etc rather than act as a deterrent it could have the opposite effect ? People could try it on & Blonde could start to lose its soul etc if the trust element was replaced by a jury. ?

Who Really Knows what the best solution is ? Personally I like things the way they are because the vast majority of Blonde members are well intentioned and recognise matters  and issues are addresed for the good of the poker community.

I was done with this thread until I read this.

You think I've been harsh on him?

How naive are you?

I have been exceptionally restrained. If you think Marc has turned over a new leaf you are very much mistaken. Some of stuff I have found out in the last couple of days leaves me astounded.

When I grew up in the gambling world you had one chance to maintain you good name and reputation. Once it was gone, that was it.

Out of the blue he contacted a friend of mine.

He asked to swap 2k on FTP for 2k on Stars.

My friend sent but did not receive the money on FTP.

To me that is nothing short of theft.

Despite countless 4 and 5 figure scores he didn't repay the 2k for about a year.

While this is forgiveable, I can't forget it.

I will never trust Marc Wright again.

He is a proven liar, thief, bad payer and multi accounter.

I think he has done more than enough to prove he's not worthy of a chance at redeeming his reputation.

Others disagree, probably because he's an amazing poker player and they spot an opportunity to make money on the back of his skills.

I respect their decision to trust him again, but please don't criticise me for taking every opportunity to warn people about Marc's behaviour.

Unless he seeks help for his problems he will scam people again.

It's inevitable.

Whyever not?

I would never ask for a stake (not got the game or the requisite number of posts) but I have taken some small stakes in recent months (obtained through pm's) and to date never had any issues.

The guys Ive had small pieces of are in the main not known to me but this is the only way I would get the chance of a sweat in a major tourney.

Let it continue and for the most part the principle of caveat emptor 'let the buyer beware' should apply to these transactions.

The risk is solely with the buyer and nothing to do with blonde who only help to facilitate the staking.

In my time Ive been grimmed as will have many on here. Thankfully its only been small amounts but still it is a very deflating and sad experience to think your trust has been misplaced. Most of the time it is because these individuals are compulsive gamblers and the monies will only ever reappear after they have won a large amount.

I think several of the responses on this thread have been mainly to do with the ability of someone who owes to repay, moreso if they are having financial difficulties and they decide to 'spin' up the winnings and not immediately return to the stakers their due returns in full and in a timely manner.

2+2 is a compeltely different kettle of fish. For the most part people on here know each other in real life to some extent, and that tends to add a completely different dimension to the level of trust. I could never scam anyone on here, and even if i wanted to, people know my dad, know my best friend, know where i play poker, so it would become impossible for me to live, and the person would probably be paid back by my family or friends. On 2+2 its largely a forum of unknowns, with a lot less trust at the lower stakes. Backers are generally punting around and a lot more is done via selling pieces on the forums in schedules by people who need to regularly to grind, and they build up a clientèle of backers who are regulars.

I'm not questioning any of that. I don't doubt it and I'm not sticking up for him in those matters.

I didn't like the way that people have jumped on the bandwagon and used this thread to rain all sorts of abuse on Marc like this arrogance tirade, which is, in my opinion, unfair. I said this in my post, I feel you've missed my point.

I don't mind arrogance when someone is justified in being arrogant.

When you are a scammer and spend your time dissing decent, honest people like Kevmath, Lewis and dreenie, it irritates the hell out of me.

His default response to any post critical of him is to attack the poster.

He's justified in being arrogant about his poker results though.

Is arrogance ever justified?

More to life than poker.

He should be the humblest person I know, because he is exceptionally lucky to still be accepted in the poker community.

I don't know. It's not something I have to worry about.

This is so true. Could have gone a lot worse for him especially with what happened with Toby. Look how the wild dogs are feeding on Hastings :)

vvwp.

if he was an average/slight winning player would he be forgiven so easily by some?

Absolutely not.

If Mr Average had committed one of the crimes Marc had, there would be no comeback.

that happens in all walk of life though, footballers pay the top lawyers to get them off, etc etc

And this is why his tiresome arrogance annoys me so much.

out of interest Keith, do most professional sports people annoy you?

Some people need arrogance to perform, its what makes them tick. Providing marc is humble/genuine away from the tables (i dont know him at all fwiw), his poker arrogance wouldnt bother me as it is backed up by results.

When arrogance is justified, I don't mind it.. but I would never be a huge fan of an arrogant sportsman.

My favourite sportsmen, Federer, David Silva, Messi, McEnroe, Westwod etc all let their performances do the talking, no need for boasting.

The only arrogant sportsman I have ever admired is Tiger. And even he isn't too bad.

Pietersen?

Detest him

Cantona?

im more thinking mark hughes type - beast on the pitch pussy cat off it

I didn't like Hughes as a player at all, but I do as a manager.

Anyway, enough of derail.

Marc Wright is certainly no Cantona, Pietersen or Messi.

He's a successful online poker player who is also a scammer.

He could learn a lot about how to act or behave from some of his peers, Toby Lewis, Jake Cody, John Eames, JP Kelly, Chris Brammer or Chris Moorman.

All better players than him who behave in a much more appropriate manner.

Congrats on your new diary Keith

Ok, fair enough.

I'm pretty much done with the thread for real this time.

Just seems like I'm the only person who is prepared to say on a forum what alot of people saying in PMs or at a bar with a beer in their hand.

27 pages and no sign of Godwin's Law

well done Blonde

Fascist.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv9uuTC-A7s

spot on judge of character. Named the twins this and Eames and Brammer are also in my top 5 young guys.

whos the 5th?

Pads!!!!

Said 5 just incase someone got offended. Have to say that lildave is a diamond but in a totally different way to those 4

Blonde?! That's the colour hair that Hitler liked.

5 pages ago i made a post that i thought would lock this thread untill next week when me and lewis would have this matter closed away from the forum, but for the last 5 pages people have spoke about the staking board on blonde. Which has little to do with this thread. Do mod's not think it wise to open a seperare flaming threads for the blonde staking thread instead of drag this thread on further? Its my name at the start of the thread, so seems slightly unfair.

No.

A sensible discussion, about important issues.

It can carry on

lol, you have to love this guy.

will remember this for future threads. so in the middle of a DTD thread we can just talk about everything as long as its sensible?

Whilst i know what you are saying Marc doesn't sponsor the forum.

lol at u man. dont u have anything better to do with ur time?
I mean, this thread has been blown ridiculously out of proportion. We DIDNT make a swap for that large a %. He was under the impression we did (genuine impression i think), and to stop any grief, im going to pay 5% as soon as on english soil.
Thats it, the thread should of been locked, but obviously people love trolling.

Patrickkkkkkkk.       rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

gaf? its about forum principles, if you do one thing for one and one thing for another this usually = no forum.

Forum principles dictate the people who help pay for the forum to run, have specific rights that include exclusive access and advertising rights. Its in the contract. This thread could have been locked, but if we open a new thread every time there is change in specific conversation there just wouldn't be much going on. Threads are best left to organically grow, and whilst it is a little unfair on Marc because of the title, some discussion is somewhat relevant to the topic in hand.

There would also be no forum if there was no sponsor to pay the bills - double standards are entirely valid

I didn't post thinking it was a double standard actually

The discussion had moved onto whether people of possibly less than 100% financial probity should be allowed to use our staking threads. Probably related enough to the original post, in my opinion, and nothing was posted that meant the thread should be locked, or split off. In my opinion.

If the discussion had moved onto which of the Pussycat Dolls we'd bang after six pints of stella, I'd have split the thread off.

lol. You have to love this guy  ;D

surely u would do them all right?

Pads been drinking Diesel for Breakfast .

At my age, probably best to let them do each other and watch.

 :D :D :D

 C5Very much this

haha A* Keith once more !

I must be getting really thick skinned/ruined by gambling world but this whole thing really isn't that big of a deal, it's obviously shit and it's tragic when it happens but if you're going to go and enter into multi-figure financial agreements with people you don't know then this sort of thing is going to happen to you, as Keith says it's completely inevitable.

The way I personally conduct my business is I have a network of people who I trust 100% with money dealings, I make regular 4/5figures transactions with them and I don't bat an eyelid, if someone who I don't know/haven't dealt with before comes along and I need to deal with him, I will ALWAYS and I do mean ALWAYS ask if he's dealt with any of my friends before and get a reference from them. I also never assume that one successful deal = 100% trust. Sometimes (despite me double bolding above) I might decide to go ahead without a reference, in these circumstances I am willing to accept the chance of me getting knocked is was higher than it usually is.

Even people on blonde who aren't overly involved in the poker world can still use this system, people on here/fb like me/toby/flushy/dubai/brammer or anyone like us would be (i might be putting words in their mouth but I doubt it) more than willing to vouch/not vouch for people (don't have to say "he's a c**t he did X Y etc, just a question, would you deal with X person, and i'll answer yes or no). I actually get quite a few PMs asking "is X person trustworthy they say they have dealt with you" and people who i deal with regually know they are more than welcome to offer people to reference them to me. This really is the only/best form of policing and it's 30x anything blonde could do/should do.

Personally if I was Lewis I would NEVER have agreed the swap with Marc, all he knew of Marc was his past and didn't know him personally, obviously I know him personally so it's a lilttle different for me - it's still a terrible situation and I'm delighted Lewis is getting paid in full, which is 100% the right thing, but there is a lesson to learn in here.

The problem with these things is the only way to learn is to get knocked once in a while, I know that's horrible and I hate this about the gambling world but I really think its true :( Like Gouty and Kieth say reputation really is everything.

I'm glad Marc has seen sense and decided to pay up, the positives of this situation is it further re-affirms to marc he can't do this sort of stuff and expect to get away with it, and although it's been a terrible tilting time for lewis he's managed to survive not being out of pocket.  I agree though that Marc's reformation has been way too easy - he should have been fully repaid the last time for a decent period of time and have another good period after that where he has behaved flawlessly before anyone should have even considered trusting him again. I actually like Marc personally, so a little bit of me is pleased for him to have recovered so quickly but from my position within poker I think it sets a dangerous precedent that he has.

Post of the thread by 1000 miles.

If I could add one small thing it would be that blondepoker is slightly different to other platforms.

They are a lot of casual, recreational players on here, who are not so savvy when it comes to staking/buying shares.

It's why the Blatch thing hurt so much. Many people invested money thy couldn't afford to lose.

Dubai, Rupert, Flushy can look after themselves, but some people need a little protection sometimes.