Nice thread mate. In for refugee donations. GL with the shoulder.

[If I was Sat at that table without a hud, I'd be able to watch and see that he's in almost every pot.]

It gives an advantage against other regs, because those are the people you get data on, and it means you can store and review hands easily. 50 hands, in your example, is nowhere near enough of a sample to make a judgement on someone's stats. I play approximately 29% of hands according to my vpip stat, but over 50 hands I could play way over or way less than that. Moreover, in your example, you can see the guy on your table is playing 60% of hands. If I was Sat at that table without a hud, I'd be able to watch and see that he's in almost every pot. I wouldn't have the exact number, but I'd be able to guess and wouldn't be far off. Again, by definition, a rec isn't someone that wants to seriously grind 10+ tables at once.

Are you going to be able to remember this 6 months later when he pops up again?

[HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't,]

Look, I totally agree that seating scripts are dreadful but HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't, and most don't even know what difference the stats make anyway. Either way HUDs will not be getting banned any time soon so we need to look elsewhere for answers.

What?

Question for all the recs/casual players in this thread. Do you think online pros that put a lot of work into their game and use a HUD have any less of an edge/advantage over you playing live than they do online?

[Who was available?]

Alright then well who would you have bought? Who was available? Last year Wenger spent £15m on an average striker in Welbeck, you think we should go and buy another Welbeck?

Berahino and Austin for two.

Neither player improves the squad! Giroud and Welbeck are already 2 international standard strikers, Walcott and Sanchez can also play there if needed. The only way we should spend if someone even better proves themselves available. I would never want Arsenal to be one of those teams that spends for the sake of it and has a history of comedy transfers like some other clubs, spending does not guarantee success otherwise Spurs would have won it 2 seasons ago. Wenger has spent very wisely in recent times. If he thought nobody was available who is better than what we've already got, i'm going to trust him on that.

Lol

Good for recs, good for sites and good for the game.

Do you think it would be good in the long run or just a short term fix?

Think it would give a boost to rec players for a short time until they discover that HUD's aren't the reason they are losing and infact it's just that they are bad. They stop depositing anyway. They may even stop playing live as they don't have any excuses to why they lose online as they are on exactly the same footing as everyone else, leading them to recognise is an incredibly skilled game whether online or live.

The sites lose an entire layer of players, who play loads of tables, generate tons of rake and make up a massive chunk of online players now. These players can't play as many tables, and even if it may improve their winrate it will for sure decrease their hourly, which is infinitly more important to people who play for a living. These players now can't make a substantial living from playing poker so just quit. This may lead to many of the medium sized networks/sites just collapsing completely.

Do you think an industry wide blanket ban on rakeback/bonuses etc and a significant decrease in rake would be any better for online poker as a whole?

Maybe if people learnt the difference between a migrant and a refugee we wouldn't have as much rate and ignorance. Thread title not helping the cause.

Pretty sure he's not talking about HUD's either.

He specifically names tracking software. What else?

HUD's have been around for 10 years, and PA for sure knew people were using them back when he was playing nosebleeds. Poker theory (esp at high stakes) has gone waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the old school sickos, this last year or two. People may be better at interpreting their HUDs now but it's only from off the table work using the newly available software. I'm sure PA knows of these things but I'm certain he isn't willing to put 10+ hours a day into off the table work on his computer.

Pretty sure he's not talking about HUD's either.

If you can't beat em ........

[Are Utd fans worried about Woodwards ability to land that big name?]

Are Utd fans worried about Woodwards ability to land that big name?

Have you got enough firepower up front?

Do you still need another CB?

Is Romero the answer in goal?

Lots of questions about the Utd team for me lots of run good to have 7 points so far this season.

I don't think we've ever had the ability to attract the "big names" from those above us in the pecking order. All the big marquee names that would improve us already play for huge teams and they don't want to sell. Chelsea are clearly above us in the pecking order so I'm not surprised Pedro went there.
CB issue will be fine and improved massively by the Schmidfield/Darmian signings and Luke Shaws return to fitness. Same with Romero. Although I think DDG will come back mid Septemberish.

Hey guys,

The Sky UKPC was at DTD last week so took some time off online to play it. Started on Tuesday with the high roller sat. My table was great and thought I played ok. Lasted till just after rebuy, then had a really bad 15 mins. Firstly I 3bet a guy who I'd played with in the deepstack last month, and knew was very loose/splashy/whaley etc. He min opened to 800 at 400bb from 30k, I 3 bet to 10k wTTh, he called. Flop 246hh, i bet 8k he called turn . He hesitated a bit before checking and snapping with 35hh when I set him all in. Prob should go bigger pre maybe. Orbit later man opens UTG, whale guy calls UTG+1 and I sqz OTB to 10k again wKK, both call with 25k and 30k respectively. Flop 667, I shove for pot and he has 65o, then lost AQ v AK for 20bbish. Think walking out is the most tilted I'd been in a long time.

Wednesday I went down for the main sat with a friend with the intention of playing a bit of cash later and having a few beers together. We swapped 10% and I pure bubbled coming 11th (winning £120) with 10 seats to play for. Pretty nitty player shoved for 4bb and the guy in the BB folded off of around 15bb which was above avg at the time, on the bubble. I don't really know about sats or if this is a call with 2 other similar short stacked players but I was pretty tilted again busting 3 hands later. I drowned my tilty sorrows with a few beers and played some .5/1 sat next to my mate until Skalie popped his head round form the VIP room asking if I wanted to play 5/5 plo in there. Turns out it wasn't really 5/5 as there were multiple straddles and some pretty big stacks compared to the min 1k buyin which I had. So I played like a nit and the guys playing were super friendly and fun so had and enjoyable couple of hours with a few more beers. Made a couple of blocker bluffs with my super nitty image and broke even.

Played the main Friday. Table started off pretty meh having a look round at most of the tables in the room. Everyone was under 30 and knew what they were doing. Nothing really interesting happened till near the end of the day. I open QhTh to 4k at 1/2k and BB 3bets to 10k. I call and it goes c/c on Q83r. He bets 10k on 5 turn bringing in a fd and I decided to shove for 25k more. He thought about it for quite a while and I went from please don't snap to please call during the course of his tank. He eventually called with 53o and I didn't really know what was going on. River was an 8 so put me up to about 120k. Then the man who replaced him defended his BB after I'd opened QTo UTG again. He c/r KJ7hh really small from 8k to 17k. I kind of recognised him, he was an older guy but def knew what he was doing. I shoved for 55kish and he had a little think and shrugged flicked it in with K6. Can't really remember any history between us but he worked me. River was a 9 and I was up to around 180k. Chipped up for the last level and ended on 215k, about avg, to end the day.

Saturday I got there a didn't realise they did a table redraw. New table was better. Had an older gentleman to my direct right who was very friendly and a couple of the other guys and dealer were all talking about the football which had just started. Really nice table and I felt pretty comfortable. Then a hand occurred that I wasn't really sure what to do. I'd previously 5bet a cold 4bet after I had 3bet the older guy OTB. The BB in the hand was probably around my age but hadn't said a word all day so was difficult to know anymore about him. I raised OTB w89ss from about 300k and he 3bet to around 25k covering me. Flop QQ9, he bet really small, 13k i think, I called. Turn was putting a fd out, he bet half pot and I thought for a little while before calling. River was an offsuit 6 and he jammed fairly quickly for maybe just over pot. I took a good 10 mins to think about it before having the clock called on me. I wanted to call pretty badly but convinced myself that people don't bluff in these spots probably 1% as I think they do. He didn't show and I'm not sure I wanted him to. The guy next to me said he folded a Q but I think it was probably the right fold. Couldn't really get much going after that pot, which left me with around 25bb. Got moved tables with the same guy from the hand and he knocked me out a few levels later AK<99.

I'd heard a DC game maybe on later so I stuck around and played some .5/1 cash. Turns put everyone wanted to play PLO so I got on the list for that and ended up getting in the same game as Thursday. I gave myself a few BI stop loss and convinced myself it would just be 5/5 and that the straddles wouldn't come out till later. Yep was wrong about that and it kicked off in the same manner it finished. I played super tight, except for putting on straddles up to £20 as I didn't want to completely spoil the game, even though everyone assured me I didn't have to, I suspect they definitely did. First big hand I was BB and completed a £40 straddle with AdAJ94, 6 way. I'd do this with my whole range as people were quite aggro preflop. It got checked (sadface) and the flop was AQ2dd. I checked and it got potted for around £120. I called planning to check jam any non turn diamond and pot lead any diamond. Turn was 8o and I check jammed getting sigh called by a reg who had bare QQ. Won a couple more pots without showdown and had about £3k. Then I picked 5 card and called OTB vs a raise from £40 straddle w QJT9xcc. Flop was KT8cc. It went bet, raise all in and was basically jam or fold to me (biggets stack in the hand was about £1400). I know next to nothing about these players but the 2 guys involved were on the tighter side postflop. I folded and felt pretty happy about it especially as they rolled over middle set and NFD+BDFD. NFD guy won both runs. Haven't ran the numbers yet but I assume it would be pretty close and I don't mind taking the nitty option when shot taking. I said I folded 2 clubs to make the guy with a set feel better as others had done but also revealed my other cards much to the dismay of the rest of the table. A few more comments about how tight I was and I felt a little uncomfortable 1. because these guys obv played together a lot and like action and 2. I was kinda spoiling that/not giving much action. Don't get me wrong, nobody said anything bad to me and the guys were all super nice/friendly and it's def one of my favorite live experiences ever. I just felt I was taking up a seat of someone else who these guys would prefer to have in the game. Anyway I decided to leave at a certain time and the hand before I left I got jokingly pressured into putting on the £80 straddle. I didn't wanna spoil anyone's fun and the bigger straddles were getting limped a fair bit. Anyway it gets raised small and I call with A553cc. It comes K53r and I c/c deciding to check jam any non 4/6/7 turn. We were HU and the turn was a 7 putting out a fd. He potted it and I just folded. Pretty annoyed at myself. Think I should just pot flop and take it down most of the time.He showed 754x and I left next hand. I'm torn between playing in that/or similar games when shot taking. Like I don't wanna hnr or just double up and lock up but I also don't wanna be playing £5-10k pots on the reg.

Gunna go play DC tourney at DTD tonight then some DC cash after. Really looking forward to it as I haven't played DC in a while and have been doing some 5/6card PLO/hi/lo work.

Hope Neymar doesn't go deep in EPT Barca as it may disrupt his incoming transfer to United.

Despite the place being full, I have to say it's eerily quiet. If you took away the music, I'd say I've been at noise chess tournaments. Aside from the eternal cricket song you get at every poker comp, there's barely a murmur. Everyone concentrating.

Can we swap places?

Will DTD be showing the Man United game tonight? Thinking of going playing the high roller sat if they are.

did you make it in the end? playing the main?

Yeh I went but they didn't have it on. Def playing the main, going tonight to play main sat and some cash.

Well done TightEnd, I thought I'd have an advantage over most in the Celeb category. Kudos for knowing this 14. The 3 Kardashian sisters who have been the focus of their TV shows, such as "Keeping Up With The Kardashians", all have forenames beginning with the letter K, name the 3?