Guidelines for posting on Poker Hand Analysis.

[AndrewT]

Good point Totalise - posts from people wanting to know if they could have avoided getting it all in with the nuts on the flop only to be outdrawn on the river don't really lend themselves to a salient dissection of the art of the game.

Lest we forget how it should be done.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3210.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3228.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3253.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3272.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.0

[Rod Paradise]

Totalise makes a good point, so could some of the more experienced players give a quick rundown of what should be included when posting a hand for analysis? This could be added to the Guidelines post and give new posters the encouragement to ask the right questions (and make them think about it themselves as they try to describe all the relevant information).

[kinboshi]

We can laugh & joke, but the fact remains, many Posters have stopped Posting on PHA, particularly the regular or smaller limit players, because they've been ridiculed. This has to stop, the blonde ethos treats all players, big & small, fairly, but we particularly want & need to help the smaller players get a "leg-up".

We think the PHA is an extemely important part of blonde, but it's what you guy make it, no more, no less.

hand analysis forums have always been funny creatures, especially when you have people like flushy that can charge $100++an hour to give lessons willingly giving advice for free... but what people seem to forget is that the quality of responses is almost always directly proportional to the quality of the origional post, and lately a lot of posts go up which go something like this:

"tourney, get JJ, i raise, someone goes allin, do you call and why"..

I am sure you can see why some people get fedup , because essentially someone that has put absolutely zero thought in making their post expects people to put more thought then them in the replies!


What I am tryin to say  is, its ok to complain about regulars getting sarcastic, and it does seem to have gotten out of hand, but it doesn't come out of nowhere, its a reactive process.. and maybe the thrust (at least in my opinion) should be educating people better on how to contribute more to the forum, and what to do to improve their own posting, rather then solely concentrating on a couple of sarcastic comments . There are a lot of good players who are willing to put time in to help players out, but not if the players aren't willing to put the time in to make the better players want to help.

Just my most humble of opinions.

 

This from someone else who could charge a hell of a lot for their advice, and often provides very in-depth analysis of hands.

I agree that people should make an effort to give as much information as possible, and they'll get back what they put in.  Like selling a car online - if you don't bother to provide photos and other details then is it a surprise if you don't get any decent repsonses?

Sometimes though someone will post up a hand for analysis where they've made a mistake, and they will be slaughtered for it.  This isn't fair really.  There are ways to criticise constructively.  If I post a hand up where I've played like a donk, fine, slate me - I can handle it.  Others are more sensitive, or are new to the game or the forum, etc.

All in all though, the hand analysis board is bloody brilliant.

[totalise]

One way to deal with that, is to simply not reply to posts and questions there you feel have not been constructed with enough thought.

maybe, but when the top 10 threads all have 1 or 2 replies, it can start to get overwhelming. It is one way, I personally dont feel like its the best way. Que sera

When the JJ example you gave gets 2 one word replies, and the poster who has gone to the length of describing a situation as far as they can gets 3 pages of constructive debate, it will only encourage people to put a bit a bit more in, if they want a bit more out.

aye, or it will make posters think "ffs, make this post, and no-one has bothered to reply, what a load of piss this place is, I aint coming back" Suited_Jock gave a clinic on how to act when people dont voluntarily respond to a post. Essential reading!

Andrew,

Good point Totalise - posts from people wanting to know if they could have avoided getting it all in with the nuts on the flop only to be outdrawn on the river don't really lend themselves to a salient dissection of the art of the game.

this is true, but I dont even mind these threads that much, I mean, we do all have to start somewhere, and as long as the person posting is new either to the forum, or to poker, then a few words of advice can be instrumental in getting them on the path to salvation. If however the person posting is a long term blonde/been playing a while, its not so nice, and enters the realms of the dreading posting-because-its-a-bad-beat... which isn't so acceptable.

[kinboshi]

Totalise makes a good point, so could some of the more experienced players give a quick rundown of what should be included when posting a hand for analysis? This could be added to the Guidelines post and give new posters the encouragement to ask the right questions (and make them think about it themselves as they try to describe all the relevant information).

Why not create a 'template' that includes 10 or so questions that need to answered in turn?  I'm on some online marketing forums and if someone wants a site to be 'reviewed' they must fill in a questionnaire to ensure all the relevant information is provided.  That'd work well for hand analysis.  Just some thoughts.

[totalise]

Totalise makes a good point, so could some of the more experienced players give a quick rundown of what should be included when posting a hand for analysis? This could be added to the Guidelines post and give new posters the encouragement to ask the right questions (and make them think about it themselves as they try to describe all the relevant information).

give all the information you have at the time, and present it in a legible fashion. thats all we ask. If it takes you 5 min to type up the post, its almost certainly going to be time well spent!

Sometimes though someone will post up a hand for analysis where they've made a mistake, and they will be slaughtered for it.  This isn't fair really.  There are ways to criticise constructively.  If I post a hand up where I've played like a donk, fine, slate me - I can handle it.  Others are more sensitive, or are new to the game or the forum, etc.

I'm pretty sure this is the point of the entire thread, people ( myself included) are often too quick to tell people how bad a certain play is on a certain street, but not quick enough to say why. That definately needs to change.

[M3boy]

If you haven't seen the poker hand analysis board yet, please do check it out.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=24.0

Everyone is welcome there, please do not be afraid to post just because you happen to play low stakes, or you are worried you will be ridiculed.
This is not other poker forums, this is blonde. The underlying ethos is to preserve a nice and friendly, productive atmosphere.

Hmmmmmm, does this also go for "certain" mods?

Pot Kettle Black springs to mind

[AndrewT]

I think the PHA board works best when the original poster starts us down a journey of a hand. It is not yet clear to the reader where the final destination is - the purpose of the thread is to investigate all the roads leading off from it.

Which are cul-de-sacs and which are more promising avenues?

Eventually, the original course of action may be revealed, and compared with the views given. The point is that it is the journey which is important, not the destination.

Maybe all PHA threads should start with the question 'Which is the best way forward?' (nice and open) rather than 'Did I play this right?' (closed question - poor quality replies).

[Eck]

Good point Totalise - posts from people wanting to know if they could have avoided getting it all in with the nuts on the flop only to be outdrawn on the river don't really lend themselves to a salient dissection of the art of the game.

Lest we forget how it should be done.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3210.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3228.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3253.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3272.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.0

This is an obvious fabrication, in the first one Tightend tried to convince us he would put in a raise with 78 os 
 

[charmaine]

If you haven't seen the poker hand analysis board yet, please do check it out.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=24.0

Everyone is welcome there, please do not be afraid to post just because you happen to play low stakes, or you are worried you will be ridiculed.
This is not other poker forums, this is blonde. The underlying ethos is to preserve a nice and friendly, productive atmosphere.

Hmmmmmm, does this also go for "certain" mods?

Pot Kettle Black springs to mind

Probably not

[AndrewT]

Good point Totalise - posts from people wanting to know if they could have avoided getting it all in with the nuts on the flop only to be outdrawn on the river don't really lend themselves to a salient dissection of the art of the game.

Lest we forget how it should be done.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3210.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3228.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3253.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3272.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.0

This is an obvious fabrication, in the first one Tightend tried to convince us he would put in a raise with 78 os 
 

Remember this was from over a year ago, when Tightend was still a wild and reckless slip of a boy.

[MAF]

I read & post on other forums and see all manner of hand analysis questions.  The most common info that people need when analysing a hand are:

- Tournament Buyin / Cash game limit (e.g. $10+1 or $1/2)
- Type of tournament/game (e.g. 2 table SNG, MTT, HU, NL cash game, etc)
- Stack sizes
- No of players left.  How close to bubble?
- Level of blinds
- Any reads on players
- Any read you think they have on you.
- Reason for action you've taken.
- Don't post result.  A lot of times, people prefer you to stop the HH at a certain point (e.g. action on river) and to ask for advice from there.  It often throws people's answers once they know the outcome and opponent's hand.

I think I have everything here.  Maybe others can add things.  As has been mentioned, if a list like this can be put in the guidelines, this would help.

[matt674]

I'm pretty sure this is the point of the entire thread, people ( myself included) are often too quick to tell people how bad a certain play is on a certain street, but not quick enough to say why. That definately needs to change.

 

Whenever i make a post in one of the thread i will always try and give my reasoning behind my answer. Sometimes you see threads where someone has posted a question and its followed by 6 responses which just say "call", "re-reaise all in", "insta fold", "call" etc etc and you sit there thinking "why would you reraise all in?" or "how can you fold there?"

[SupaMonkey]

I agree, i hate reponses like

'Your play on the flop is awful'

without saying why, i if knew it was bad i wouldn't be doing it would i.

[Claw75]

oooh I might brave a post on there tonight - I've had one bugging me for a couple of days but I've been too scared to put it up