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Re: Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary
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Quote from: kinboshi on September 25, 2009, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
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I thought astronauts came back younger than they went? (Or at least they hadn't aged as fast as everyone else)
They aren't younger than when they went, but they have aged slower. The same would go for someone who lived at the top of Everest all their lives.
That's why I said time-travel in the usual sense of the term.
Astronauts age more slowly than someone on earth
because of the time dilation effect, which is a central concept in Einstein's theory of general relativity. In fact, predictions based on this have been proven using atomic clocks and the experiments brought back results that the theory said it would. Showing that a theory isn't just a guess.
I would make so bold - & I hope you do not take offence at my finely-couched wordage - that the notion suggested is total cock, of the poppy variety.
O'rly?
Physically, according to their own clocks, they'd age at the same pace as someone on earth. But if an astronaut went into space for exactly 40 years (according to his clock) and came back to earth, more than 40 years will have passed on earth. DUCY?
No.
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Quote from: kinboshi on September 25, 2009, 02:29:36 PM
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I thought astronauts came back younger than they went? (Or at least they hadn't aged as fast as everyone else)
They aren't younger than when they went, but they have aged slower. The same would go for someone who lived at the top of Everest all their lives.
That's why I said time-travel in the usual sense of the term.
Astronauts age more slowly than someone on earth
because of the time dilation effect, which is a central concept in Einstein's theory of general relativity. In fact, predictions based on this have been proven using atomic clocks and the experiments brought back results that the theory said it would. Showing that a theory isn't just a guess.
I would make so bold - & I hope you do not take offence at my finely-couched wordage - that the notion suggested is total cock, of the poppy variety.
O'rly?
Physically, according to their own clocks, they'd age at the same pace as someone on earth. But if an astronaut went into space for exactly 40 years (according to his clock) and came back to earth, more than 40 years will have passed on earth. DUCY?
No.
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The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
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Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
Tikay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein
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Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
What about Rip Van Winkle then Mr Cleverclogs ?
How would you account for him being asleep for forty years and being the same age when he woke up ?
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Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
What about Rip Van Winkle then Mr Cleverclogs ?
How would you account for him being asleep for forty years and being the same age when he woke up ?
Agreed. You've got me there.*
* And that - the Rip Van Winkle defence - is about as convincing an argument as it's possible to make.
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Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense.
Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
I lolled.
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Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense.
Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
I lolled.
Only you got it Tom, it whooshed the rest. They are too busy reading gobbledygooky claptrap.
The Eagle always knew.
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The Eagle at it's best.
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Re: Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary
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The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
Yes it is;
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
If the Astronauts take an atomic clock with them and come back after, what they consider to be, 40 years more time will have passed on earth than has in space..Therefore they will have "aged" less compared to someone who stayed on earth.
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Re: Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary
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Quote from: Karabiner on September 25, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: tikay on September 25, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
The physical, mental, & chemical body processes by which our bodies age is not affected by where we are, who we are, or any of this so-called time-travel nonsense. Unless you read The Eagle, of course.
What about Rip Van Winkle then Mr Cleverclogs ?
How would you account for him being asleep for forty years and being the same age when he woke up ?
nah, soz ralph, that's not considered as time travel, merely suspended animation. time dilation is considered as time travel
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Ive aged about ten years in the ten minutes ive spent reading these posts.
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Quote from: Redsgirl on September 25, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
Ive aged about ten years in the ten minutes ive spent reading these posts.
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