analyse this!

[nirvana]

To be honest the only move from the BB there is to shove and take it down - will happily show people the move on Saturday

[Royal Flush]

 If you tell me you never play a hand sub-optimally (for whatever reason) then I simply don't believe you.

I do every day, it's called playing badly.


Or are you trying to say you made a meta call pre flop with the intention of showing the hand if you got the chance to prove that you are not solid so that Claire would not raise your blind as often?

Yes she can have TT+ that is also towards the top end of her range, if you really need me to explain to you what top end of a range means i will because you seem to have difficulty in grasping it.

[Simon Galloway]

Simon[/url] Galloway link=topic=36807.msg809284#msg809284 date=1221587957] If you tell me you never play a hand sub-optimally (for whatever reason) then I simply don't believe you.

I do every day, it's called playing badly.


Or are you trying to say you made a meta call pre flop with the intention of showing the hand if you got the chance to prove that you are not solid so that Claire would not raise your blind as often?

Yes she can have TT+ that is also towards the top end of her range, if you really need me to explain to you what top end of a range means i will because you seem to have difficulty in grasping it.

You might have to explain it.  I'm actually not being obtuse here, but to me, AJ isn't a great hand.  If that's at the top of a range, its a pretty wide top if premium pairs go in there as well?

[Royal Flush]

Top End:

99+ AJ+ KQ

Mid:

88-55 AT-A7 KJ-K9 Q9 J9 T9

Bottom End:

Babby pairs, weak aces, mid and low suited connectors and some really random shit.

[Simon Galloway]

ok, we are nearly there and can draw a line under this.

That is the grouping for all hands, now how about Claire's range.

You say that AJ is at the top of her range as an agressive player in the cutoff.  So that means I am looking at your mid-range grouping of hands? (I wouldn't have put AJ in the top end, cutting it off at AQ.  Which makes AJ feel like it belongs at the top of the mid range.)  And JT isn't a major dog to a lot of those hands, yes there is AJ, KJ etc but also T9,J9 (and small pairs that might not like the flop) to balance it out.

As in the early part of the thread, there was a lot of non-standard things that happened in the course of the hand and my read was I was up against an AJ / 66 sort of hand, obv not THAT narrow, but that was roughly what I was sensing.  I have said repeatedly that I would routinely fold, in fact my cards were in the air to fold when the riase size dispute broke out and I reasoned to play the hand differently.  When poker sixth sense kicks in and tells me something, I generally listen.  It doesn't happen very often for me but it is generally accurate. It worked, although you can argue the point that AJ v JT isn't a good outcome.  Now I can go back to routinely folding JT to a CO raise.  But next time sixth sense tells me to peel one off, or see a flopI will.  It might not be this side of Christmas, but I will.  Who doesn't?

And on the subject of meta call, read through some of the Luton thread.  Half seem to think I am granite and half seem to think I am loose.  I'm not sure how easy it is to cultivate that image, I certainly didn't try to, but I'll go with it. All I have to do is work out which half is which.

[celtic]

if you ask me as someone who as played with both of you long enough then i would say you're both shit.

glad to be of assistance.

[Claw75]

if you ask me as someone who as played with both of you long enough then i would say you're both shit.

glad to be of assistance.

lol [/thread]

[LuckyLloyd]

Simon[/url] Galloway link=topic=36807.msg809154#msg809154 date=1221580904]

Come up to Luton with 'AJ is the top of c/o range' 'I'm folding every non-premium hand coz its shallow' and 'Im pushing ATC coz its shallow' and I will wave to you as you leave just before the first break.

FWIW i have played a few small buyin comps in Luton and a shed load in other cardrooms and i am fully aware that you don't have the luxury of being able to play lots of deep pots post flop, which is even more the reason to try and play optimal pre.

DING DING DING!!

It never fails to amuse me when people believe that it is ok to make a bad decision on the basis that if they manage to gambol it up successfully they can then start making good decisions later on. It isn't logical!

[Simon Galloway]

Well done, you've managed to extrapolate the most illogical argument possible out of this thread under the banner of not being logical.  If poker is purely a logic game, then it would be solvable.  There would always be a right answer.

If you want to play 30 mtts a day, then folding JT to a c/o raise is the correct play in the long run.  Short of taking an advert out in the sun, I can't convey that message more times than I have in this thread.  However, when different information is available to you, that percentage chart that must be on your bedroom wall of -EV starts to change.  An anology would be Blackjack.  With an unknown deck, hitting 16 against a dealer ten is the correct +EV play.  You still lose money hitting, but less money than not hitting.  Now if new information comes to light (like you have a running count three quarters of the way through the deck) then it now becomes right to stand on that 16.  To me, you are still reading off your long term -EV charts and not examining the here and the now of the situation.

For Claire to be in a bad run, mis-raising on the cutoff, smooth called by George on the button, me in the big blind, THERE IS NO LONG RUN.  It won't happen more than once more in my lifetime.

DING.

[ShatnerPants]

But Simon, how best doth thou playeth JT UTG ?

 

[Simon Galloway]

Behave.

[Gamblor21]

But Simon, how best doth thou playeth JT UTG ?

 

Raise...

Note to self over raise everyones big blind from now on who posted on this thread, they will only call with the goods and when they reraise just repop them again as they'll be sick and making a move... Easy!

[Simon Galloway]

Stop thinking.  Just play to the chart.

[Royal Flush]

If poker is purely a logic game, then it would be solvable.  There would always be a right answer.

There is always a right answer.

[Simon Galloway]

Now I KNOW you are taking the piss.