Prose from a Poshboy

[KingPush]

Seems a bit hopeful to raise turn in this much of a multi-way pot

[cambridgealex]

Seems a bit hopeful to raise turn in this much of a multi-way pot

Think it's very standard- He's bet <1/4 pot, ive got the best hand here like 99% of the time and there's two fds, and straight draws to protect from and get value from. This guy could bet / call worse Ax too.

[KingPush]

Seems a bit hopeful to raise turn in this much of a multi-way pot

Think it's very standard- He's bet <1/4 pot, ive got the best hand here like 99% of the time and there's two fds, and straight draws to protect from and get value from. This guy could bet / call worse Ax too.

Really? I don't play live. At least I'm not very good at it. If you think these things why do we not raise bigger? If we raise this size we are still seeing the river 66% of the time theoretically (325/950=.34) and we are up shit creek if we get 3bet. Obviously though you are much more aware of exploits etc here and straddles kh4h might be the top of his range. Also why do you say you check with three regs in the pot? Why does that make you check rather than cbet?

[buzzharvey22]

Only people with far too much money bluff there!

Congrats :-)

Haha class

[verndog158]

Over the last couple of months I've watched all of Game of Thrones - obviously absolutely loved it. Best show ever maybe? Can only think of Breaking Bad that comes close. We'll save that debate for the TV show thread though...

To fill the void I signed up to Netflix and getting into Narcos, Gavin and Stacey, and Derek.

Derek is my favourite at the moment, but reckon Narcos has serious potential. Gavin and Stacey is decent but nothing special.

Poker wise it's all cash cash cash at the moment. I'm skipping Berlin and also skipping Malta. I think that's the way I see 2016 going too. WSOP (shorter tho), EPT Barcelona, and EPT Prague being my only trips abroad - though I really fancy going to Monte Carlo for the cash games and to play the Grand Final there.

I think as you become more settled somewhere and start to build a life and especially when there's great action on your doorstep it makes going away that bit less appealing. It makes Victoria happy too.

I'm really excited about Keith's wedding on 31st October, and then the WPT in Nottingham after that, and then trying to book a little holiday in Iceland for straight after that. Hopefully, I'll have earned it.

Derek is incredible. i know alot of people dont rate Ricky gervais, but as a feel good, sad emotional show, derek was/ is fantastic. beautifully done

[cambridgealex]

Seems a bit hopeful to raise turn in this much of a multi-way pot

Think it's very standard- He's bet <1/4 pot, ive got the best hand here like 99% of the time and there's two fds, and straight draws to protect from and get value from. This guy could bet / call worse Ax too.

Really? I don't play live. At least I'm not very good at it. If you think these things why do we not raise bigger? If we raise this size we are still seeing the river 66% of the time theoretically (325/950=.34) and we are up shit creek if we get 3bet. Obviously though you are much more aware of exploits etc here and straddles kh4h might be the top of his range. Also why do you say you check with three regs in the pot? Why does that make you check rather than cbet?

Regs less likely to call down worse
Regs more likely to put us in tough spots with a c/raise and we have no real way of improving, will just be guessing.
Nice to have a hand this strong in our range for the turn/river (more important vs regs obv)

Take your point over sizing, is on the small size, but it's exploitative vs the limper, who might see 500 as too big of a raise to continue with A6 or 89, I just wanna encourage him to flick it in with these hands.

[pleno1]

When we raise the turn the pot is 750 (500+125+125) and we raise another 200. Think it's just a little too small. River I think is a little ambitious to get people to fold. When we raise the turn (especially this sizing we never have a flush draw I guess. Calling seems fine, but I doubt anybody folds flushes that often in live poker, especially when we represent nothing at all. It's 1500 to call into 3500 (5000 if we include his call) right? His only really flushes should be 4xhh because we have nf blocker and there is no combo draws out and I doubt he cold calls jthh etc on the turn. So on the river were only beat by 4xhh and he has all the 8xcc combos he could bluffs.

Basically think he doesn't have that many flushes, we represent very little/certainly aren't repping a flush draw with turn line/size etc and he won't call worse/fold better. Pretty sick if he ends up b/c 8xcc because we represent so thinly that would be one of most epic hands of all time

[cambridgealex]

Maybe you misread board pads, I made it  13 hh combos (A428

Kh5h-Kh3h,Qh5h-Qh3h,7h5h,7h4h,6h5h-6h3h,5h4h,4h3h

[BorntoBubble]

After discussing and saying dont enjoy live poke much anymore my dad called last night and wanted a game of poker so off we went into Manchester. Very small ball stuff only 1/1 and the game was not that great quaility wise, although I managed to book a small win which was nice.

Anyway, to my point. I sat down and had a drunk business man on my right, didnt really speak much. Then on my left I had a youngish (20 something) Italian lad that was travelling the world learning languages. I very quickly tried to understand if he was doing this travelling funded by poker, it seems it was not. I really couldn't believe the languages he spoke and flicked between, German, English, Italian, French, Spanish etc all no issue at all. It was really quite interesting listening to his stories, until he got all Italian on the dealer and that ruined all the fun. It did give me a little kick that I do enjoy live poker still which is contray to what i was saying to you the other day.

There then was a Welsh lad who was from the village my family have been traced to which was quite interesting but all in all the table was talking which is all i want really! Maybe the games are not all that bad afterall I just may need to make the effort more!



and sorry for the spam, but you may have people in here (unlikely) that don't read the rest of the forum.... Just in case and all that.

Just a few more entries needed over at the Apprentice Sweepstake Thread.

Pot of gold totalling £720 will be won!

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=66180.0

[OverTheBorder]

After discussing and saying dont enjoy live poke much anymore my dad called last night and wanted a game of poker so off we went into Manchester. Very small ball stuff only 1/1 and the game was not that great quaility wise, although I managed to book a small win which was nice.

Anyway, to my point. I sat down and had a drunk business man on my right, didnt really speak much. Then on my left I had a youngish (20 something) Italian lad that was travelling the world learning languages. I very quickly tried to understand if he was doing this travelling funded by poker, it seems it was not. I really couldn't believe the languages he spoke and flicked between, German, English, Italian, French, Spanish etc all no issue at all. It was really quite interesting listening to his stories, until he got all Italian on the dealer and that ruined all the fun. It did give me a little kick that I do enjoy live poker still which is contray to what i was saying to you the other day.

There then was a Welsh lad who was from the village my family have been traced to which was quite interesting but all in all the table was talking which is all i want really! Maybe the games are not all that bad afterall I just may need to make the effort more!



and sorry for the spam, but you may have people in here (unlikely) that don't read the rest of the forum.... Just in case and all that.

Just a few more entries needed over at the Apprentice Sweepstake Thread.

Pot of gold totalling £720 will be won!

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=66180.0

Shout me next time, I will make the game more value

[tikay]

I'm in awe of how you have adapted so quickly to these big (relatively big, in the real world) cash games Alex, especially as your early success was in MTT's.

It's not that long ago that a £1 £2 game was your limit, apart from the occasional shot. Now you don't have second thoughts about sitting in a £5 £10 £20 game.

[tikay]

Random question for you Alex.

In "live" cash games, how many players in the UK make a living wage purely from B & M cash games?

Don't want to get into a debate about what a "living wage is", but for the purpose of this debate, £50,000 per year, after exs. 

[Rexas]

I'm actually interested in knowing how big some of these games play in comparison to the 1/2 games at notts. I mean, I guess I've not played at loads of venue's, but it's noticeable to me how much bigger the notts games are to games anywhere else. The 1/2 game isn't a 1/2, it's more like a 2/5. The 1/2/4 was playing more like a 5/10. Are the games in London similar or do you have to play higher to find a similar amount of money being thrown about?

[cambridgealex]

@Tikay, to be honest I don't think it's been a quick process at all. I've gradually played bigger and bigger throughout the last 5 years I think, 1/2/4 (skalie's standard game at DTD) was my staple game for a while and I took shots in bigger games and it's only because 5/10 games didn't run in Nottingham much that I didn't play them.

Since moving to London I've played that big almost every day and I won't say I'm used to the swings now, because I know I haven't felt the force of variance yet, but I'm feeling now that I can play my A game at that level, whereas maybe a couple of months ago I would be afraid to do a 2k bluff for example. It's rewarding to see myself making progress in this odd "career" and really gets the heart racing.

Random question for you Alex.

In "live" cash games, how many players in the UK make a living wage purely from B & M cash games?

Don't want to get into a debate about what a "living wage is", but for the purpose of this debate, £50,000 per year, after exs.  

I think there's a lot of people making a living wage from live cash games that make less than £50k a year. So many 1/2 grinders in London that just play that all day and hop from casino to casino to collect points, qualify for 3 or 4 cash races per month, table select hard, bum hunt to the max, probably make £30/40k per year. These are the HUD and seating script users of the live world. Respect to them for the grind and hard work but I hope I would never have to do that to earn a crust.

But to answer your question about >£50k per year in live cash games, I would say 40 in London, 20 in the rest of the UK so 60. I just think it's so hard to make that much outside of London because there just aren't big enough games.

It varies city to city of course, but I don't know of any cities than run bigger than 1/2 during the week, and most cities it's just 1/1. Bham has a small 1/2 scene, same with Sheffield, Nottingham is mainly 1/1 during the week, up north is smaller etc. The weekend might get the odd 2/5 game or bigger 1/2. With very occasionally bigger than that.

I'd say the average maximum hourly for those games all inclusive would be around £20 (Working off £15/hr for 1/1, £23 for 1/2 as 90% of their volume).

You'd have to do 2500 hours at that wage to make £50k and thats before expenses. I usually do 1500 hours per year, all inclusive. I reckon there's plenty that do more, maybe 2000, but 2500 is really exceptional volume.

So outside of London I said 20 because I think there'll be a few Mitch type characters dotted about, and some people who get in frequent private games etc. It could be as low at 5 though I wouldn't be surprised.

London is a whole different ball park. There must have 40 people making >£50k in the games there. Maybe more, I'm not too sure about the omaha scene in the Vic and what people's hourlies are there, but my estimate is 40. But there might be 300 people that grind out £30k a year playing 1/2 or 1/3.

£50k is a weird bench mark for what constitutes a living though. The avg wage in the UK is £23k and £17k if you take out the top 2%. £50k per year tax free is huge money compared to the national average. If you're making £30k a year tax free, the equivalent of like £40k/taxable? playing poker being your own boss, I'd say that was pretty acceptable.

I'm actually interested in knowing how big some of these games play in comparison to the 1/2 games at notts. I mean, I guess I've not played at loads of venue's, but it's noticeable to me how much bigger the notts games are to games anywhere else. The 1/2 game isn't a 1/2, it's more like a 2/5. The 1/2/4 was playing more like a 5/10. Are the games in London similar or do you have to play higher to find a similar amount of money being thrown about?

I'd agree with you. And back in the day a few years ago, the Notts 1/2 games where even crazier than they are now. 5/10 in London plays like a 5/10. 20 straddle is fairly common but not every hand at all (maybe 30% of hands), and you rarely get 40 or 80s on. Whereas in Nottingham I'd say 95% of the hands I've played at 1/2 have had a 4 straddle on, with half of them having at least one more straddle on.

[dwayne110]

To make £50,000 profit from poker per annum live doesn't sound huge on the face of it (or in comparison to a good employment wage), but when you break it down you'd need to average £250 profit per day over 200 days... what % of players are doing that at £1-2, £1-3 levels?