RIP Amy Winehouse

[AndrewT]

Most tilting thread on blonde for quite a while - more strawmen than a scarecrow convention.

Makes me want to rub heroin into my eyeballs.

[thetank]

I don't know why when more than one bad thing happens at the same time people inevitably turn it into some sort of wierd grief competition. In normal circumstances you can pay your respects to a dead singer who had a couple of kick ass albums and move on quietly. I'll pretend that this is one of those times.

RIP Amy Winehouse

[badhaircut]

Sadly inevitable.  It always felt like a case of when, not if.

Isn't this true for us all?

[StuartHopkin]

Natural selection.

The media need to be fucking put down for this story being anywhere near the Norway attacks, China train crash, US shooting etc. What a disgrace. Fucking retarded country we live in where people care about this one person who kills themselves slowly vs myriad tragedies and awful situations.

It's just the way it is TittyBean.

Amy Winehouse is simply more of story than the Norway thing and will have more people talking hence it is at least equally as important to the media.

Even on this forum there's 2 pages for the Norway tragedy and 4 pages for Amy Winehouse.

Love it or hate it Amy Winehouse is bigger news than 90+ randoms whatever the circumstances.

That's a fucking disgrace.

It's also why I hate the general public.

Why can't everyone be more like bopkin ffs?

Meh. The general public probably aren't that keen on you either mate.

So which do you think Bopkin will have spent more time talking about? Norway or Winehouse?

Just fyi, total time = 275 seconds

[MANTIS01]

I agree that Pete Doherty and his public image is a good example to support the scum line. But let's talk about more popular drug abusers in the music business instead because there are loads to choose from. Elvis Presley died after years of drug abuse at just 42 but is fondly remembered as the King of Rock & Roll. Is he scum that wasted his life? Michael Jackson died after years of drug abuse but will always be the King of Pop. Is he scum that wasted his life? Man, even Keith Richards is legendary in the rock world for the sheer scale of his drug abuse. Don't know whose business it is to dish out the scum tag and what criteria it involves really. All I know is I loved the music of Elvis, Jacko, The Stones and Winehouse and don't really care that much what they did personally. I also liked James Dean but he wasted his life speeding through the mountains in his Porsche, oh and loved INXS but Hutchence wasted his life hanging himself by accident. People do all sorts of idiot things to themselves in life. Not sure why Winehouse is singled out for the scum tag really.

Are all people that take drugs scum? Or just the addicts? And what about addicts that can afford a habit and don't affect society like Amy? Scum or ok to do as she wishes?

OK, so at what point did I say drug takers were scum? I think you'll find Mantis has been misquoting me (which I believe he does quite alot across various threads).

Read my posts again - and see who I call scum.

Buddy, I asked whether you thought Elvis was scum. I didn't quote you or use quote marks so I didn't misquote you. That's the second time itt I've been accused of this twisting things and I can only think it's because people have suspicious minds. Anyway that's all right. It's just always on my mind that the more popular you are the more readily you are forgiven for your failings. I agree with Monda who suggests you haven't really addressed the points raised so there should be a little less conversation about soldier boys and how brilliant they all are. This is a thread for a tragic young singer who made mistakes so don't be cruel to her with any negativity imo. I can't help believing that in this wonderful world there is mostly good in everyone and now she has gone to the big boss man in the sky and her family are all shook up we should be a bit more respectful about what she achieved in life. Uh-huh, thank you very much.

[Matt.NFFC.]

Celebrity dies of an alleged drug overdose........no sympathy from me I'm afraid.  In fact, I'm quite glad this happened.....no wait a minute, glad is the wrong word, the word I'm looking for is something like hope.

I'm hopeful that maybe some young kids out there will be shocked and may see that taking drugs is bad shit.  It takes something like this to act as a wake up call to many.

The ones addicted to drugs I feel real sympathy for are the newborns who are born addicted due to scummy addict parents! 

As for the rest..........

Think you will find it was me that chose to use the word scum.

Read the post carefully and you will see where my sympathy lies, and it's not with celebrities who, for whatever psychological reason chose to go down that path.  Some of the poor kids don't get a chance to make a choice.

IMO Amy, like all celebrities have a degree of responsibility, you know what people are like, they see someone famous doing something, and they follow like divvy sheep.  So pathetic.

FWIW, any loss of life that could be avoided is tragic but there are far more worthy people who deserve my sympathy.

[Acidmouse]

I don't know why when more than one bad thing happens at the same time people inevitably turn it into some sort of wierd grief competition. In normal circumstances you can pay your respects to a dead singer who had a couple of kick ass albums and move on quietly. I'll pretend that this is one of those times.

RIP Amy Winehouse

[kinboshi]

I agree that Pete Doherty and his public image is a good example to support the scum line. But let's talk about more popular drug abusers in the music business instead because there are loads to choose from. Elvis Presley died after years of drug abuse at just 42 but is fondly remembered as the King of Rock & Roll. Is he scum that wasted his life? Michael Jackson died after years of drug abuse but will always be the King of Pop. Is he scum that wasted his life? Man, even Keith Richards is legendary in the rock world for the sheer scale of his drug abuse. Don't know whose business it is to dish out the scum tag and what criteria it involves really. All I know is I loved the music of Elvis, Jacko, The Stones and Winehouse and don't really care that much what they did personally. I also liked James Dean but he wasted his life speeding through the mountains in his Porsche, oh and loved INXS but Hutchence wasted his life hanging himself by accident. People do all sorts of idiot things to themselves in life. Not sure why Winehouse is singled out for the scum tag really.

Are all people that take drugs scum? Or just the addicts? And what about addicts that can afford a habit and don't affect society like Amy? Scum or ok to do as she wishes?

OK, so at what point did I say drug takers were scum? I think you'll find Mantis has been misquoting me (which I believe he does quite alot across various threads).

Read my posts again - and see who I call scum.

Buddy, I asked whether you thought Elvis was scum. I didn't quote you or use quote marks so I didn't misquote you. That's the second time itt I've been accused of this twisting things and I can only think it's because people have suspicious minds. Anyway that's all right. It's just always on my mind that the more popular you are the more readily you are forgiven for your failings. I agree with Monda who suggests you haven't really addressed the points raised so there should be a little less conversation about soldier boys and how brilliant they all are. This is a thread for a tragic young singer who made mistakes so don't be cruel to her with any negativity imo. I can't help believing that in this wonderful world there is mostly good in everyone and now she has gone to the big boss man in the sky and her family are all shook up we should be a bit more respectful about what she achieved in life. Uh-huh, thank you very much.

Nice work.

[boldie]

Can't believe you missed the rest, Boshi.

[outragous76]

I agree that Pete Doherty and his public image is a good example to support the scum line. But let's talk about more popular drug abusers in the music business instead because there are loads to choose from. Elvis Presley died after years of drug abuse at just 42 but is fondly remembered as the King of Rock & Roll. Is he scum that wasted his life? Michael Jackson died after years of drug abuse but will always be the King of Pop. Is he scum that wasted his life? Man, even Keith Richards is legendary in the rock world for the sheer scale of his drug abuse. Don't know whose business it is to dish out the scum tag and what criteria it involves really. All I know is I loved the music of Elvis, Jacko, The Stones and Winehouse and don't really care that much what they did personally. I also liked James Dean but he wasted his life speeding through the mountains in his Porsche, oh and loved INXS but Hutchence wasted his life hanging himself by accident. People do all sorts of idiot things to themselves in life. Not sure why Winehouse is singled out for the scum tag really.

Are all people that take drugs scum? Or just the addicts? And what about addicts that can afford a habit and don't affect society like Amy? Scum or ok to do as she wishes?

OK, so at what point did I say drug takers were scum? I think you'll find Mantis has been misquoting me (which I believe he does quite alot across various threads).

Read my posts again - and see who I call scum.

erm ............ where did i quote you?

i was posing a question on the thread in genreral.

[kinboshi]

My thoughts on this. It's a shame that many 'artists' seem to thrive in self-destructive zone, and they always have.  Baker, Joplin, Hendrix, Lynott, Cobain, and many others - and Winehouse certainly won't be the last.  I'm not a huge fan of drugs, and I've seen what they do to some people close to me.  People turn to drugs for all sorts of reasons and the nature of addiction is why it's so difficult to end the drug use, even with the help of family and friends.  It's also the family and friends who often suffer the most.

Winehouse had a few good albums, and I'm sure most people have a copy or have at least listened to 'Back to Black', seen her on TV and in the media and heard her on the radio.  That's why people feel like they know her on a certain level, and that's the fascination with celebrity.  I'm sure people are concerned with soldiers who are killed in conflicts, soldiers from both sides as well as civilians caught up in war zones - it's all tragic.  What about the millions starving across the world?  I don't see a constant daily out-pouring of sympathy or sadness for those suffering in Somalia at the moment?  We all feel for these people, but we're more interested in people we relate to, either through our interests or those who are close to us.  Terry Newton was a rugby league player who killed himself. I'm sure many on here have no idea who he is, but in the world of rugby league (and to some sports fans in general) his death was a tragic shock and 'big news'.  A WWF wrestler (or whatever it's called now) dies and it doesn't affect me at all as I don't follow it or know who the person is - but to others it's big news.

What happened in Norway was shocking in its brutality and how and where it happened.  The same feelings people felt after Dunblane, Hungerford, Columbine, etc. Of course, more people die every day in conflicts or murders throughout the world every day, but when it happens like this it's news - it's of general interest. 

Another topic that comes up in this debate is how people with mental illness are treated, both in general and also by the media.  I think it was a bad week for those who are trying to highlight mental health issues and promote understanding of how it affects (so many) people.

[millidonk]

ha, i wasn't even going to open this thread, but when i saw how many pages it had gone up to i thought i would have a little read. Personally her death makes no difference to my life whatsoever apart from I turned the radio over this morning when they were chatting about it, just like whacko jacko's death had no impact on my life (even though i like his music), just as any other popstar/public figure's death wouldn't and as sad is it might sound even when a young soldier, airmen or sailor dies i don't give it a second thought. That's said by someone who spent the best part of a decade serving in the forces.

I must admit i thought this way of thinking was normal. Maybe i am selfish or just heartless? I clearly lack compassion for my fellow man. Don't really know, but don't see me changing any time soon, anyways Boshi makes a fair bit of sense, but Andrew T's post sums it best imo.

[Horneris]

Don't pity the dead, pity the living"

Professor Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, July 2011

[gatso]

Don't pity the dead, pity the living"

Professor Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, July 2011

pretty sure he was long dead by july 2011

[millidonk]

I'll come back to your last post - but what the American soldiers did in Vietnam and WW2 is of absolutely no concern to the modern day British soldier. We have something called Compulsory Drug Testing. If you're stupid enough to take drugs, you eventually get caught - and when they do, they get kicked out. They know they risk their career, pension...but if they put us at risk ('being off their tits with a loaded gun..') then that's the price they deserve to
pay (oh and they get a dishonourable discharge, which sits badly on their CV)

Would love to see you try and score some drugs in Afghanistan!!!

Is this post a massive level?

A lot of people in the forces take drugs and still pass CDTs no problem, so clearly as you put it they are 'stupid' enough to take drugs but not 'stupid' enough to get caught on the CDT.. What does this make them? in my time i have known quite a few people get booted for drugs none of which have a mythical CV which has a massive red stamp saying 'Do not employ - dishonourable discharge'. In fact the MOD are not allowed to divulge the nature of a dd. Two of the 3 I stayed in touch with are doing very well in civvie street. 

I am massively pro forces and am the latest of generations of family members who have all served, unfortunately i am also a realist and see a lot of what actually goes on. Unlike the Sgts/Staffys, coming up to their 22 who have spent most their adult life on the patch and are naive to what it is like in normal society or don't notice what is going on
under their very own noses.

The funniest part of the whole thing is: '
Would love to see you try and score some drugs in Afghanistan!!!'


You can't be serious!?? Afghanistan which is now known as 'The heroin capital of the world' it is the source of 90% of the world's opium. The Afghan Army who our boys work alongside closely are notorious for smoking heroin and weed on a daily basis. Our lot are constantly seizing drugs, burning millions of pounds worth of heroin and cannabis and working alongside people who have free access to it. it has to be one of the easiest places to 'score' drugs in the world!

There have even been reports of some forces lads getting their hands on so much gear they even tried shipping some back to Brize on the hercs! lol.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11277466
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11557781
http://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/page/blogs.detail/display/354/Heroin-capital-of-the-world.html

http://wn.com/Afghan_Soldiers_Smoking_Weed_with_British_Troops

Would i want to be on the frontline with a mate completely off his box, obv not.
Do i think any less of anyone in the forces for having a crafty smoke or having an occasional dabble? not at all.
The truth is with all the latest cuts, morale in the mob etc the career, pension and so called X factor its not enough to be even bothered about losing it if you get caught.

How do you feel about women in the forces?
Homosexuals in the forces?
In 2006 the MOD were close to bringing in a policy to where if a soldier within their first 3 years of service under the age of 22 tested positive for smoking cannabis they would still be allowed to serve after undergoing disciplinary action.
Wont even start the old "would you rather work alongside the soldier who was pissed out of his skull, still drinking at 2am down the mess" or "work with the guy who smoked a joint after work and had a good 14hrs sleep" debate..

Sigh, i thought i was just typing up a couple of thoughts... turned into a massive essay.