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[tikay]

tiger definately took an illegal drop and if he isn't disqualified then I will never watch golf again in fact he should disqualify himself the rules are for everyone I would lay woods for the entire bank.

So now we have both sides of the same debate, because, earlier, we heard from a chap named Greg Hill, aka "Junior Senior".

Greg is probably the best golfer I know, (though player, rather than punter) and he played off Scratch for many years, perhaps still does.

His view was that potential disqualification was "bullshit, he did nothing wrong".

His view may have changed now, in the light of emerging evidence, of course. I will try and find his Post for you.

[horseplayer]

vc now 5-6 both sides

[Tal]

vc now 5-6 both sides

Why the sudden switch?

[tikay]

I agree with Moon. The rules of golf may be archaic but they have always been followed to the letter at all times. If they decide to let this go because its Tiger and because its the Masters, it would be a complete farce and do way more harm than good to the game IMO. He has to get 'd.

Agree. If - IF - he broke the Rules, he must and will be disqualified. I do not think the US PGA (?) will shirk their responsibility. In fact, some amongst them may rather enjoy the opportunity, as they have scores to settle.

There may be a book to be written about this renewal of The Masters!

[tikay]

Theirs talk that Tiger could get disqualified because of where he dropped his Ball on the 15th.

It's an interesting one....http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/254290/25/Could-Tiger-Woods-Be-Disqualified-From-The-Masters

Drifting on betfair.

This is bullshit. He dropped it in line directly back from the point it crossed the hazard. Yes it was two yards back from his previous shot but that is permitted. It looked weird at the time but its fine. Press just being alarmist.

BUMPED.

Greg is currently AWOL, watching, would you believe, Mansfield Town FC. Each to their own, eh?

[TightEnd]

I agree with Moon. The rules of golf may be archaic but they have always been followed to the letter at all times. If they decide to let this go because its Tiger and because its the Masters, it would be a complete farce and do way more harm than good to the game IMO. He has to get 'd.

Agree. If - IF - he broke the Rules, he must and will be disqualified. I do not think the US PGA (?) will shirk their responsibility. In fact, some amongst them may rather enjoy the opportunity, as they have scores to settle.

There may be a book to be written about this renewal of The Masters!

do you not think that CBS will put enormous pressure on for him not to be disqualified?

murky world, sport and advertising pollitics....

[horseplayer]

now 8-11 to go

[redarmi]

I am trying to work out the implied odds on Betfair.  Not sure if my thinking is correct here or not but I can lay Tiger for $100 to lose $520 @6.20 right now if he is not 'ed I can back him back at, say 4.50 for a loss of $170 if he wins. or a -EV of about -$37 (22%*$170)  If he is 'ed I win $100 so am i not effectively risking $37 to win $100 that he is disqualified?  or have I done something wrong?  Seems VC odds compilers are way off if that is the case.

[rinswun]

Theirs talk that Tiger could get disqualified because of where he dropped his Ball on the 15th.

It's an interesting one....http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/254290/25/Could-Tiger-Woods-Be-Disqualified-From-The-Masters

Drifting on betfair.

This is bullshit. He dropped it in line directly back from the point it crossed the hazard. Yes it was two yards back from his previous shot but that is permitted. It looked weird at the time but its fine. Press just being alarmist.

BUMPED.

Greg is currently AWOL, watching, would you believe, Mansfield Town FC. Each to their own, eh?

He himself acknowledged he didn't drop it back from where it crossed the hazard but from two yards back from where he took the original shot. If he had taken it back on a line from where it crossed the hazard (as Fuyrk did) there would have been no issue. He actually hung himself in his post round interview as he admitted moving two yards back from the original spot of the ball to give himself a better yardage. The rule is that he must drop it as close as possible to the original spot of the ball; clearly two yards away isnt as close as possible.It's a shame that its happened to one of the greats but he has to go as anyone else would.

Ironically when questioned on the Guan penalty yesterday Tiger replied 'rules are rules'.

[horseplayer]

I am trying to work out the implied odds on Betfair.  Not sure if my thinking is correct here or not but I can lay Tiger for $100 to lose $520 @6.20 right now if he is not 'ed I can back him back at, say 4.50 for a loss of $170 if he wins. or a -EV of about -$37 (22%*$170)  If he is 'ed I win $100 so am i not effectively risking $37 to win $100 that he is disqualified?  or have I done something wrong?  Seems VC odds compilers are way off if that is the case.

i think that is about right

i have backed him to be dq at 8-11

[Snowball]

anybody watching falkirk?

very impressive there whole side looks about 11

Hibs are a shambles tho I can see this going to extra time

[TightEnd]

""When Tiger Woods enters a tournament and when he is in contention in the final round, we see a 30 to 50 percent increase over what is the 'normal' rating," said Neal Pilson, the head of a sports TV consulting company and former president of CBS Sports.

"He draws people who don't normally watch golf."

The numbers, as they say, don't lie.

When Woods won the 1997 Masters by a record 12 strokes, CBS showed 66 of his 69 final-round shots and earned a 14.1 rating -- the highest percentage of U.S. TV households to watch a Masters final round -- and a whopping 34 share. The share is the percentage of televisions tuned to a particular broadcast.

And last year? With Woods a mere afterthought, finishing tied for 18th at Augusta National behind winner Jose Maria Olazabal, CBS settled for a 10.1 rating with a 22 share Sunday.

Weekend TV ratings for all men's golf -- PGA Tour, Senior Tour and other tourneys -- were up 10 percent this year through last weekend, evidence of Woods' effect on the sport.

CBS' coverage of golf this year has averaged a 3.9 rating, higher than every year but one since 1987. CBS' golf broadcasts in 1996, the year before Woods emerged, averaged a 2.5 to this point in the season.

"I don't ever remember an athlete, whether it's in a team sport or individual sport, I guess with the exception of Michael Jordan, who can so dramatically affect the amount of people watching a tournament," CBS Sports president Sean McManus said. "It's true at the regular PGA Tour events and it's certainly true at the major events, also."

Woods' appeal -- based on his ability and charisma -- certainly extends beyond the majors.

When he failed in his bid to win a seventh straight PGA Tour event at February's Buick Invitational, the final-round ratings were higher than those for any U.S. Open or British Open in the past 15 years.

Woods has been in contention a lot lately, finishing first or second in 10 of 11 events heading to Augusta.

"Tiger's effect on golf is even greater than Michael Jordan's was on the NBA," McManus said. "His effect on television and the viewership of professional golf is almost impossible to overestimate."

Since Woods joined the PGA Tour in 1996, hundreds of millions of new dollars have flowed into golf, including increases in TV contracts -- the PGA Tour's TV deal, which started in 1999, is worth about twice the previous one -- and what advertisers pay for air time.

"His impact is mind-boggling," said Larry Novenstern, director of sports marketing at advertising agency BBDO. "His presence at a golf tournament drives the price (of commercials) up artificially."

Even when Woods isn't playing in an event or has been out of contention, CBS' golf coverage this year has gained a 3.3 rating -- better than the overall numbers for 1996-98. When he's been in the running, that has jumped to a 4.8, a 45 percent increase.

Woods is most popular on television among men 18-34. Viewership in that group -- a key demographic -- has increased 89 percent in 2000 when Woods is in fifth place or better.

"It would be foolish and probably untruthful for anyone in the world of golf television to say they cover Tiger Woods the same way they cover anyone else," NBC golf anchor Dan Hicks said.

"You have to be aware of anything Tiger Woods is doing anywhere on the golf course because of the comebacks he's capable of."

[Karabiner]

Theirs talk that Tiger could get disqualified because of where he dropped his Ball on the 15th.

It's an interesting one....http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/254290/25/Could-Tiger-Woods-Be-Disqualified-From-The-Masters

Drifting on betfair.

This is bullshit. He dropped it in line directly back from the point it crossed the hazard. Yes it was two yards back from his previous shot but that is permitted. It looked weird at the time but its fine. Press just being alarmist.

BUMPED.

Greg is currently AWOL, watching, would you believe, Mansfield Town FC. Each to their own, eh?

I don't think Greg can have fully understood the situation TBH.

He still plays off +1 btw.

[TL900]

paddy power 11/10 4/6 not. I personally don't think he will be 'd as tighty said hes just worth too much money

[redarmi]

paddy power 11/10 4/6 not. I personally don't think he will be 'd as tighty said hes just worth too much money

If this is the case it is an absolute travesty.