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[TightEnd]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

far be it from me to quibble, and its only a tenner each way, and you have to watch the Oakland Waders tomorrow so you have my sympathies

but what about the other teams? why are the Finns value? do we really have to bet on a matchroom event?

this is a chance for you to analyse all the teams, their comparative form, playing styles..perhaps playing conditions? what is the humidity in the hall like? will this affect deep screws?

over to you

[tikay]

shouldn't 1/4 be 1/10 for those who like a shortie?

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Basically a bet not to get hit by a bus before the SNP convention in November?

Pretty much.

Billy's have gone @1/3 on her.

Tighty,

May I suggest if you think it's a bet at 1/4 then Fred gets on at 1/3 please.
£100

Logically, yes, ditto others who suggested more.

My nitty side keeps saying "where do we draw the line?" though.

We have forward investments/liabilities of over £4,000 now, & that blows me away.

In theory, based on our previous 4,000+ bets, that £4,000 investment should yield about £120 of profit. Variance being what it is, we may come up £500 short, or make a grand, we don't know.

There must be a point though at which we have to put a limit on how much we invest, & over what period. I'm not being morbid, but if we had a bet that matured in one year's time, there must be an x% chance I'll not be around, so a discount has to be built into the equation, surely?

I very much doubt many regulars here have invested the same £4,000, though I'm sure many have invested even more.

I remember when I played my first ever £100 Poker Tourney, thinking £100, "what WOULD my Dad say?"

Scary stuff. That Hawkins bloke has led me badly astray. Not have missed it for the world, though, jeez I've had some fun.     

i won't be Sturgeoning for the thread

the William Hill balance doesn't allow for £300 to be plonked on a 1/3 shot for three months, without risk of re-depositing in the meantime

i do think its a near certainty, but really i suggested it for those who don't mind a shortie to lock away for a few months...better return than a building scoiety etc etc

we tend to need the working capital especially in william hill

I noticed Wm Hill have not paid up on our Baseball Banzai yet. Do we have to await the end of the season? There's £500+ right there.

[Tal]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

Intention really was to see if there were any people on here who had a bit more knowledge. I hadn't suggested I'm wiser than the bookie, that I have specialist knowledge or that I've found a superb bet. Was only trying to see if there was a view in the room. Proposed an interest bet largely to see if that smoked out opinions.

Sexy bets for the flick it in punters are the USA, Holland and the two England teams, but I figured we could do a bit better. As you've seen, there's a fair bit of varied opinion in the pricing.

Really don't mind what Fred does and I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm an expert in this field (if there is anyone out there who still thinks I'm an expert in any, please stop). Have had a play myself but would be open to ideas from the floor.

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The only people to have escaped the Betway cull seem to be Marky & chompy.


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[tikay]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

Intention really was to see if there were any people on here who had a bit more knowledge. I hadn't suggested I'm wiser than the bookie, that I have specialist knowledge or that I've found a superb bet. Was only trying to see if there was a view in the room. Proposed an interest bet largely to see if that smoked out opinions.

Sexy bets for the flick it in punters are the USA, Holland and the two England teams, but I figured we could do a bit better. As you've seen, there's a fair bit of varied opinion in the pricing.

Really don't mind what Fred does and I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm an expert in this field (if there is anyone out there who still thinks I'm an expert in any, please stop). Have had a play myself but would be open to ideas from the floor.

Exactly that. Cud chewing is good. Even Camels do that.

[vegaslover]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

I would think that is all they do know.

I am not saying it is a good or a bad bet, I have no idea, but for Fred, I do like the idea of leaving room for the occasional fun bet. We have to have a bit of fun along the road.

Bookies know pretty much feck all about pool, even less now it is hardly on sky anymore and most the top tournies get played in Asia.

Back when I used to play 8 ball there was (for 8 ball pool) a large series of tournaments in Swindon. They had an added bonus of £50k for anyone who could run 7 racks consecutively. Only from the quarter-finals onwards. Bookies were there taking bets on the footie/racing and for the pool. Anyway they had prices for how many racks could be run in each match. Every player in the tourney bet 0 and 1 rack and bookies got taken for plenty.


Getting back to the bet, I don't really follow pool bar the Mosconi cup every year so can't give an informed opinion, but would say that Immonen is on the wane, certainly doesn't kill off racks like he used to

[tikay]

LOVE today's "Baseball Special" Daily Report Rich, awesome work.

Reverse anti-bok procedures now implemented.

Go Yankees

[tikay]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

I would think that is all they do know.

I am not saying it is a good or a bad bet, I have no idea, but for Fred, I do like the idea of leaving room for the occasional fun bet. We have to have a bit of fun along the road.

Bookies know pretty much feck all about pool, even less now it is hardly on sky anymore and most the top tournies get played in Asia.

Back when I used to play 8 ball there was (for 8 ball pool) a large series of tournaments in Swindon. They had an added bonus of £50k for anyone who could run 7 racks consecutively. Only from the quarter-finals onwards. Bookies were there taking bets on the footie/racing and for the pool. Anyway they had prices for how many racks could be run in each match. Every player in the tourney bet 0 and 1 rack and bookies got taken for plenty.

Getting back to the bet, I don't really follow pool bar the Mosconi cup every year so can't give an informed opinion, but would say that Immonen is on the wane, certainly doesn't kill off racks like he used to

Wow, so Pool players are capable of being a bit naughty?

Good job it never happens in Snooker, eh?

[Marky147]

If my brother comes over today, I'll ask him about the pool. He was involved in the England youth setup when he was a teenager, and I imagine some of them will be playing in it.

Or he might be able to pick someones brains for us.

[TightEnd]

If my brother comes over today, I'll ask him about the pool. He was involved in the England youth setup when he was a teenager, and I imagine some of them will be playing in it.

only interested if he doesn't have a clean Betway account

if he does, we can disregard his opinions

thanks

[Marky147]

If my brother comes over today, I'll ask him about the pool. He was involved in the England youth setup when he was a teenager, and I imagine some of them will be playing in it.

only interested if he doesn't have a clean Betway account

if he does, we can disregard his opinions

thanks

I'd guess that I was walking in straight lines last time he had a bet!

[TightEnd]

Just at Bombay International Airport waiting for a flight, got a few more bet suggestions for you!

(Isn't it nice that I still think of you guys when I'm busy travelling - or maybe I'm just a gambling addict!)  

Group B (ALO/BOT/MAS/RAI) - Felipe Massa @ 4/1 with Bet365. This bet is by no means a sure thing, but I do think it's worth backing given the price. Williams were way down the order in the two practice sessions yesterday, but they were heavy on fuel. On the other hand, Ferrari were at the sharp end of the field, but light on fuel I'm told. In qualifying and race trim it should be close. Massa has been ahead of Bottas in both practice sessions so far this weekend, so I really think 4/1 is as a good opportunity. Recommend £5.

Group D (VER/KVY/GRO/MAL) - Daniil Kvyat @ EVS with Bet365 OR Daniil Kyvat as Bet365 have decided to call him! This is becoming a common bet, the bookies seem to consistently over-rate Vergne and the two Lotus drivers for some reason. Daniil is the quickest driver in this group without doubt - he should come out on top under normal circumstances, why he isn't the favourite is beyond me. Recommend £10.

Limited to £1 on Massa,

Good news comparatively, could get £2 on Kvyat. At Evens


so will have to leave those, but thank you anyway

[Tal]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

I would think that is all they do know.

I am not saying it is a good or a bad bet, I have no idea, but for Fred, I do like the idea of leaving room for the occasional fun bet. We have to have a bit of fun along the road.

Bookies know pretty much feck all about pool, even less now it is hardly on sky anymore and most the top tournies get played in Asia.

Back when I used to play 8 ball there was (for 8 ball pool) a large series of tournaments in Swindon. They had an added bonus of £50k for anyone who could run 7 racks consecutively. Only from the quarter-finals onwards. Bookies were there taking bets on the footie/racing and for the pool. Anyway they had prices for how many racks could be run in each match. Every player in the tourney bet 0 and 1 rack and bookies got taken for plenty.


Getting back to the bet, I don't really follow pool bar the Mosconi cup every year so can't give an informed opinion, but would say that Immonen is on the wane, certainly doesn't kill off racks like he used to

Not sure how those two statements go together but fair enough

Still ranked third in the world on this year's tournament performances alone.

It's also scotch doubles, which is a very different discipline to just picking the best two players. It's like foursomes in golf; you can't just pick the two best players and assume they'll win; their styles have to gel, because players one plays the first shot and player two the second and so on. They'll point to where they want the cue ball for the next shot and the partner will look to get it there.

Strickland is too much of a risk and is clearly there to boost the ratings from a matchroom perspective. Might win, obviously, but also might have a panto blow up.

English guys must be the ones the bookies keep short and Holland has the world champion and a well known partner.

Finland has a bloke who has won $3k playing pool this year. His pool herbiemob is almost exclusively the money he makes playing in this event each year with Immonen. Their results in the past few years have included big wins and last frame deciders against well known opponents. Both have played in this event and in England before. Crowd won't be a problem and nor will the cameras.

Conditions will be conducive to clearances if they can, but I'd expect some tightness in the pockets for drama. Essentially, they want it firm but fair.

Really don't mind if someone wants to suggest something better and it obviously matters not a jot if Fred doesn't fancy it. It's tikay's money Fred is playing with, so I do recognise that.

No problems either way.

[superwomble]

Would just like to make it clear I wasn't dissing the bet, was just asking!

[vegaslover]

Finns won it two years ago (same pairing).

Lots of variance in these things; race to 9 racks is not a lot.

20/1 with each way terms 1/2 odds for final. Interested in views but I'd venture we plump for the Finns (plus any others?). Tenner each way?

So why are they 20/1? Surely the bookies know all the facts you've mentioned?

Given that in punting terms Pool is pretty obscure, & the Bookies won't have too many experts readily to hand, I wouild think there is room for some price ricks in a market such as this. I also think they are likely to limit bet sizes though, quite reasonably imo.

I agree with that in general, but you'd think they'd know stuff like who's won it before?

However, I see 366 are 12/2 so 20/1 could well be value.

I would think that is all they do know.

I am not saying it is a good or a bad bet, I have no idea, but for Fred, I do like the idea of leaving room for the occasional fun bet. We have to have a bit of fun along the road.

Bookies know pretty much feck all about pool, even less now it is hardly on sky anymore and most the top tournies get played in Asia.

Back when I used to play 8 ball there was (for 8 ball pool) a large series of tournaments in Swindon. They had an added bonus of £50k for anyone who could run 7 racks consecutively. Only from the quarter-finals onwards. Bookies were there taking bets on the footie/racing and for the pool. Anyway they had prices for how many racks could be run in each match. Every player in the tourney bet 0 and 1 rack and bookies got taken for plenty.


Getting back to the bet, I don't really follow pool bar the Mosconi cup every year so can't give an informed opinion, but would say that Immonen is on the wane, certainly doesn't kill off racks like he used to

Not sure how those two statements go together but fair enough

Still ranked third in the world on this year's tournament performances alone.

It's also scotch doubles, which is a very different discipline to just picking the best two players. It's like foursomes in golf; you can't just pick the two best players and assume they'll win; their styles have to gel, because players one plays the first shot and player two the second and so on. They'll point to where they want the cue ball for the next shot and the partner will look to get it there.

Strickland is too much of a risk and is clearly there to boost the ratings from a matchroom perspective. Might win, obviously, but also might have a panto blow up.

English guys must be the ones the bookies keep short and Holland has the world champion and a well known partner.

Finland has a bloke who has won $3k playing pool this year. His pool herbiemob is almost exclusively the money he makes playing in this event each year with Immonen. Their results in the past few years have included big wins and last frame deciders against well known opponents. Both have played in this event and in England before. Crowd won't be a problem and nor will the cameras.

Conditions will be conducive to clearances if they can, but I'd expect some tightness in the pockets for drama. Essentially, they want it firm but fair.

Really don't mind if someone wants to suggest something better and it obviously matters not a jot if Fred doesn't fancy it. It's tikay's money Fred is playing with, so I do recognise that.

No problems either way.

Firstly, the rankings are not really significant. They only cover 4 events from 2014 and the players don't play all the events. There is sod all prize money in relation to travelling costs, so they don't bother much of the time. It's all local tournaments and money matches. These guys play for ridic sums in money matches.

Re: Immonen, his nickname was the iceman because that is how he used to play, clinical, no mistakes, but last few years he been making more and more mistakes. Saying that he has a good record at the world cup of pool.

England have a really good A team in Appleton and Boyes, who are also really good mates, but England have a terrible record in this tourney.

If I had to pick teams I would go for Holland, Germany and Poland. No value in the Philippines team and Earl the Girl is a liability for the USA. He will also get a shit load of stick from the crowd for last years Mosconi antics.