Tips for Tikay

[tikay]

Horsey,

How does an "each way" FGS bet work? How does the "EW" part work?

[tikay]

In pedaling news. Marianne Vos will likely win at the Worlds women road race. The Beeb will cover it live from 3.30pm. Heavens, cycling & women on BBC1 (welcome to Olympic legacy, keep it up).

Tonji,

Are you recommending an interest for Fred?

I'm interested if you are, ditto ACE's suggestion, though we can't do both of course.

[millidonk]

Horsey,

How does an "each way" FGS bet work? How does the "EW" part work?

Pays 1/3 odds if they score a goal after the first goal.

[Tonji]

In pedaling news. Marianne Vos will likely win at the Worlds women road race. The Beeb will cover it live from 3.30pm. Heavens, cycling & women on BBC1 (welcome to Olympic legacy, keep it up).

Tonji,

Are you recommending an interest for Fred?

I'm interested if you are, ditto ACE's suggestion, though we can't do both of course.

Personally I'm on only for a sweat. NOT fred bets.

[LeedsRhodesy]

I'm backing Stoke to win at the bridge today, any support for Fred following suit?

Stoke are underated this year, our team has good players all over the pitch, strong, fit, determined - Chelsea are the overated, over paid and in a false position. They've been lucky to win their games so far. Every one knows Hazard now and his great start will drop off. Crouch is going to own luiz and Terry today and bring N'Zonzi right into the game, just wish he would consider not starting Walters but he does have his good points.

I just don't see us as 9/1, more like 11/2.

Stoke have failed to score in their last four visits to Stamford Bridge.

[tikay]

In pedaling news. Marianne Vos will likely win at the Worlds women road race. The Beeb will cover it live from 3.30pm. Heavens, cycling & women on BBC1 (welcome to Olympic legacy, keep it up).

Tonji,

Are you recommending an interest for Fred?

I'm interested if you are, ditto ACE's suggestion, though we can't do both of course.

Personally I'm on only for a sweat. NOT fred bets.

Ahh, OK, thanks.

[horseplayer]

Horsey,

How does an "each way" FGS bet work? How does the "EW" part work?

usually 1/3 odds first 3 or 5

bet365 are best priced by quite a way on the two anyway and also pay 1/3 odds unlimited places

[tikay]

Horsey,

How does an "each way" FGS bet work? How does the "EW" part work?

usually 1/3 odds first 3 or 5

bet365 are best priced by quite a way on the two anyway and also pay 1/3 odds unlimited places

Thanks, (milli, too).

Unforch I am on the "Severely Restricted" List at Bet365, but let me click some buttons & see if they will acommodate me for a sensible amount.

[horseplayer]

Horsey,

How does an "each way" FGS bet work? How does the "EW" part work?

usually 1/3 odds first 3 or 5

bet365 are best priced by quite a way on the two anyway and also pay 1/3 odds unlimited places

Thanks, (milli, too).

Unforch I am on the "Severely Restricted" List at Bet365, but let me click some buttons & see if they will acommodate me for a sensible amount.

have amended my post

benteke is 10-1 not 9-1

i blame lack of sleep

[tikay]

Six goals scored total in the last six matches between Manchester City and Arsenal

All three matches in 2011-12 finished 1-0

So far this season Arsenal in 4 games concede 0,0,0,1

So far this season Man C in 4 games concede 2,2,1,1

Yet under 2.5 is a 11/10 dog to over 2.5 4/6 favourite

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-city-v-arsenal/over-under-2.5

Would suggest that his is the wrong way round for Sunday

The goalscoring firepower is perfectly priced in/extremely well known by everyone, tight defences aren't priced in

We get 1-0 either way,2-0 either way, 1-1,0-0 at odds against (obviously)

Wouldn't expect this to be popular on the thread, but its a contrarian view with stats to back it up

Thanks Rich.

This has been supported by others, including reds. Let's do it. I got 5/4, which beats 11/10, too. I think......

£40 @ 5/4, Stan James, UNDER 2.5 Goals, Man C v Arsenal, Sunday.

ON


22.Sep 2012 11:39 Weekend Under/Over 2.5 Goals Longlist Man City v Arsenal, Under 2.5 Goals, 5/4 Open   
    Single £40.00, 1 bets, £40.00 (Pot.Ret. £90.00)

[tikay]

Two bet suggestions today

MATT DERBYSHIRE first goalscorer 9-1 bet365 £15 eway

Matt Derbyshire to score two or more bet365 £5 22-1

Matt Derbyshire to score three or more bet365 £5 100-1

OLDHAM travel to Brentford today as outsiders which is fair enough, however the recent 4 month signings of both the aforementioned Derbyshire and former child prodigy Jose Baxter look inspired already.

Derbyshire for somebody still relatively young has had more clubs than jack nicklaus although i think he is very unlucky to find himself in league one as he is a better player than that. His goalscoring record in greece and for blackburn tells you that , more importantly he has scored two in two starts for oldham and also had two goals disallowed in the week.

Brentford are a decent side but generally concede at home and with bet365 we get unlimited places on the first goalscorer for the eway part.


CHRISTIAN BENTEKE £10 eway 10-1 first scorer bet365

CHRISTIAN BENTEKE £5 two or more 20-1 bet365

CHRISTIAN BENTEKE £5 three or more 100-1 bet365



A slightly lesser fancy at the same price is CHRISTIAN BENTEKE for aston villa vs southampton (10-1 eway bet365)

Had a good record in belgium scored from bench on debut last week and all indications suggest he will start today (lambert quoted that he was unplayable), i like southampton but they have had the most shots against them in the league so far and look horribly vulnerable through the middle.

thats my lot for today

good luck all

I am not mad keen on FGS markets, but we have had some fun with them, & with those wonderful memories of the Falcoa Treble, I guess we had better get on!

However.....

Bet365 restricted me on every bet. The prices elsewhere are very much worse, so it is 365 or nothing. They would also not allow me to bet Derbyshire Each Way on the FGS bet, but they allowed the Benteke FGS to be EW, though only for a fiver.

So, we got ALL bets on, but for lesser amounts in every case, as follows.

Brentford v Oldham, all with Bet365.

Derbyshire, FGS, £10 @ 9/1

Derbyshire 2 or more, £3.41 @ 22/1

Derbyshire, 3 or more, £1.25 @ 100/1

Southampton v Villa, all with Bet365.

Benteke, FGS, £5 EW @ 10/1

Benteke 2 or more, £5 @ 22/1

Benteke 3 or more, £2.50 @ 100/1.

ON

Christian Benteke @ 100/1
£2.50 Single 22/09/2012 11:53:26 2.50 0.00
 
Christian Benteke @ 22/1
£5.00 Single 22/09/2012 11:52:56 5.00 0.00
 
Christian Benteke @ 10/1
£5.00  EW Single 22/09/2012 11:52:17 10.00 0.00
 
Matt Derbyshire @ 100/1
£1.25 Single 22/09/2012 11:50:34 1.25 0.00
 
Matt Derbyshire @ 22/1
£3.41 Single 22/09/2012 11:50:04 3.41 0.00
 
Matt Derbyshire @ 9/1
£10.00 Single 22/09/2012 11:49:21 10.00 0.00

[Tal]

I know Fred likes an odd one every now and then.

The Man Booker Prize shortlist was announced earlier this month and the winner is named on 16 October. Here’s my best TightEnd impression:

Last year, there was a pretty divisive row between those who believed that the award had become a stuffy, self-congratulatory exercise in longest-wordism and those who believed books are supposed to be accessible and should be capable of being read, enjoyed and discussed by a higher percentage of the population. The chair of the judges last year was former MI5 head, Dame Stella Rimmington, who was very much in the latter camp. She spoke out against books that were too lofty and argued that (he paraphrases) page-turners didn’t have to be chick-lit.

This year could not be more different. The head judge is the editor of the Times Literary Supplement, Sir Peter Stothard and he has been clear from the outset that “readability” is a dirty word.

We are not looking for a book that you or I would be desperate to read. This is a Turner Prize year; a rebellion against mainstream society.

The unlikelies

Although there are six books in the shortlist, we can probably discount Deborah Levy’s ‘Swimming Home’ and Jeet Thayil’s ‘Nacropolis’. Neither stands out particularly against the competition and there isn’t a critic out there – at least that I can find – who is arguing that they should be the ones taking the prize, however wonderful the reads would undoubtedly be.

The possibles

Tan Twan Eng’s book ‘The Garden of Evening Mists’ is probably the slowest paced book ever to be deemed a triumph. Even supporters say so. The phrase ‘slowly crashing icebergs’ was used by one of the judges. The story is the meeting and relationship between a retired female Supreme Court Justice from Kuala Lumpur and an exiled Japanese gardener. She becomes his apprentice. It is a well-executed still-life painting: nice to look at, but staring at it for more than a few minutes is either boring or weird. 7-1 best price with Paddy Power.

Alison Moore’s ‘The Lighthouse’ is probably the easiest read of the shortlist. The plot is a bit hard to understand and it keeps going backwards but critics are calling it the page-turner. I suspect that this is the girl in a group of quite ugly women that, when faced with the prospect of the last waltz alone, you grit your teeth and go for.  She’s 6-1 with Stan James.

The big two

Will Self is such a divisive writer that marmite is referred to as a Will Self yeast-based product. Anyone who has picked up one of his novels (probably Great Apes being the best known) will have an idea why: he barely ever writes for his audience. He has no interest in dumbing down or explaining his narrative; his language is an arrogant and petulant assault on people who say “less” when they mean “fewer”. ‘Umbrella’ is, ironically, less full of Selfisms than some of his other books, but not by much. It is a single paragraph. The whole thing is one paragraph. 397 pages of block text, long words, confusing sentences, thesaurus-clutching and three parallel plots from different medical environments. This wouldn’t be a “two fingers” to last year’s panel. It would be a Temuri Ketsbia goal celebration. He is as big as 11/4 (Ladbrokes), but some bookies have him as favourite (Betfair 11/10).

The general favourite would be a headline maker. Hilary Mantel has won the prize before and ‘Bring up the Bodies’ is the second part of the trilogy that gave us Wolf Hall. The panel has commented that it is a more developed and technically proficient novel than the first, which is a clear indication that a short price is justified. She would be the first ever Briton to win the prize twice (two overseas novelists have won it twice) and, to be completely honest, I question whether that would be a bit of an injustice, given that she isn’t likely to be regarded as one of the all-time greats in years to come. She is 9/4 with Ladbrokes, best price.

My view

First things first, I assume that there is money to be made by betting with one bookie and laying with another – the difference between 11/10 and 11/4 is absurd. I appreciate the lay price isn’t the same as the bet price.

As for where I think the value is, I’m by no means a betting price expert. I would think Will Self the most likely winner – for the judges to combine a well-known person (this is a former captain on Shooting Stars, lest we forget!) with an intense, haunting, challenging read would seem a logical choice. If Hilary Mantel wins for the first two books of her trilogy, the panel for the third one is set a gargantuan dilemma. Self is a Guardian man, but I would doubt that matters.

Self quotes James Joyce at the outset of his novel and the comparison is an easy one. ‘Ulysses’ is the book most people lie about having read to the end.


Recommend [insert figure] on Will Self to win the Man Booker Prize 2012 with Ladbrokes at 11/4

[smashedagain]

I know Fred likes an odd one every now and then.

The Man Booker Prize shortlist was announced earlier this month and the winner is named on 16 October. Here’s my best TightEnd impression:

Last year, there was a pretty divisive row between those who believed that the award had become a stuffy, self-congratulatory exercise in longest-wordism and those who believed books are supposed to be accessible and should be capable of being read, enjoyed and discussed by a higher percentage of the population. The chair of the judges last year was former MI5 head, Dame Stella Rimmington, who was very much in the latter camp. She spoke out against books that were too lofty and argued that (he paraphrases) page-turners didn’t have to be chick-lit.

This year could not be more different. The head judge is the editor of the Times Literary Supplement, Sir Peter Stothard and he has been clear from the outset that “readability” is a dirty word.

We are not looking for a book that you or I would be desperate to read. This is a Turner Prize year; a rebellion against mainstream society.

The unlikelies

Although there are six books in the shortlist, we can probably discount Deborah Levy’s ‘Swimming Home’ and Jeet Thayil’s ‘Nacropolis’. Neither stands out particularly against the competition and there isn’t a critic out there – at least that I can find – who is arguing that they should be the ones taking the prize, however wonderful the reads would undoubtedly be.

The possibles

Tan Twan Eng’s book ‘The Garden of Evening Mists’ is probably the slowest paced book ever to be deemed a triumph. Even supporters say so. The phrase ‘slowly crashing icebergs’ was used by one of the judges. The story is the meeting and relationship between a retired female Supreme Court Justice from Kuala Lumpur and an exiled Japanese gardener. She becomes his apprentice. It is a well-executed still-life painting: nice to look at, but staring at it for more than a few minutes is either boring or weird. 7-1 best price with Paddy Power.

Alison Moore’s ‘The Lighthouse’ is probably the easiest read of the shortlist. The plot is a bit hard to understand and it keeps going backwards but critics are calling it the page-turner. I suspect that this is the girl in a group of quite ugly women that, when faced with the prospect of the last waltz alone, you grit your teeth and go for.  She’s 6-1 with Stan James.

The big two

Will Self is such a divisive writer that marmite is referred to as a Will Self yeast-based product. Anyone who has picked up one of his novels (probably Great Apes being the best known) will have an idea why: he barely ever writes for his audience. He has no interest in dumbing down or explaining his narrative; his language is an arrogant and petulant assault on people who say “less” when they mean “fewer”. ‘Umbrella’ is, ironically, less full of Selfisms than some of his other books, but not by much. It is a single paragraph. The whole thing is one paragraph. 397 pages of block text, long words, confusing sentences, thesaurus-clutching and three parallel plots from different medical environments. This wouldn’t be a “two fingers” to last year’s panel. It would be a Temuri Ketsbia goal celebration. He is as big as 11/4 (Ladbrokes), but some bookies have him as favourite (Betfair 11/10).

The general favourite would be a headline maker. Hilary Mantel has won the prize before and ‘Bring up the Bodies’ is the second part of the trilogy that gave us Wolf Hall. The panel has commented that it is a more developed and technically proficient novel than the first, which is a clear indication that a short price is justified. She would be the first ever Briton to win the prize twice (two overseas novelists have won it twice) and, to be completely honest, I question whether that would be a bit of an injustice, given that she isn’t likely to be regarded as one of the all-time greats in years to come. She is 9/4 with Ladbrokes, best price.

My view

First things first, I assume that there is money to be made by betting with one bookie and laying with another – the difference between 11/10 and 11/4 is absurd. I appreciate the lay price isn’t the same as the bet price.

As for where I think the value is, I’m by no means a betting price expert. I would think Will Self the most likely winner – for the judges to combine a well-known person (this is a former captain on Shooting Stars, lest we forget!) with an intense, haunting, challenging read would seem a logical choice. If Hilary Mantel wins for the first two books of her trilogy, the panel for the third one is set a gargantuan dilemma. Self is a Guardian man, but I would doubt that matters.

Self quotes James Joyce at the outset of his novel and the comparison is an easy one. ‘Ulysses’ is the book most people lie about having read to the end.


Recommend [insert figure] on Will Self to win the Man Booker Prize 2012 with Ladbrokes at 11/4

you sir are a different gravy. Love the chess thread and your RSQ answers

[OverTheBorder]

I was looking through today's coupon and can't believe Dundee Utd are odds against at home to Hearts 11/10 readily available.

Hearts havent won since the opening day of the season, Dundee Utd unbeaten at home and generally always solid at Tanadice.  Last 5 meetings Dundee Utd have won 4 and drawn 1 vs Hearts.  Hearts are terrible this season, lost all there experienced players and have more wage difficulties this week.  I think this is priced up based on last years Hearts team and the price should be odds on.  I am a Hearts fan by the way so its not blinkered own team backing, quite the opposite.  Both teams have injury problems but Utd probably stronger in depth at the moment.  Incidently neither team have scored recently and the unders look good, but price is not appealing.

[tikay]

Wow, a bet on the Booker Prize! Proper posh that.

In addition, I love Will Self, though more his spoken word than his writtten offerings, the latter is a bit deep for me.