Tips for Tikay

[Nakor]

I know it's rather pedantic of me but Arkle did not win the Gold Cup fifty years ago today as for some reason it was run on a Saturday that year.

I know that for sure as I used to play golf at weekends on The Richmond Park public links courses as juniors at Roehampton where I was a member were not allowed to play before 3pm at weekends, and I can remember as though it were yesterday listening to The Gold Cup on the radio in the ramshackle hut that served as the pro's shop with the two Irish guys who worked there.

Did he get that through?

[tikay]

I know it's rather pedantic of me but Arkle did not win the Gold Cup fifty years ago today as for some reason it was run on a Saturday that year.

I know that for sure as I used to play golf at weekends on The Richmond Park public links courses as juniors at Roehampton where I was a member were not allowed to play before 3pm at weekends, and I can remember as though it were yesterday listening to The Gold Cup on the radio in the ramshackle hut that served as the pro's shop with the two Irish guys who worked there.

Did he get that through?

Not past me, no chance. Ralph would have been at least 20 in 1964.

[TightEnd]

Superb article just out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26558005



The Australian Grand Prix comes with the promise of a new competitive order, unfamiliar names at the front and an end to the bullet-proof reliability that has come to characterise F1 in the modern age.

But the main reason for Red Bull's struggles has been their engine supplier. Renault's attempts to build a 1.6-litre V6 turbo hybrid 'power-unit' to the most complex engine formula ever used in F1 have fallen well short of those of rivals Mercedes and, to a lesser extent, Ferrari.

--


Judging by winter testing, it is questionable whether any Renault-powered car will be able to make it to the end of the race. And the French company's two best teams - Red Bull and Lotus - have had comfortably the worst pre-season of any.

One senior figure with in-depth knowledge of Renault's situation predicted this weekend would be "ugly" for the French manufacturer.

--

The Mercedes engine is producing much more power for a given amount of fuel - the crucial ingredient in F1 this year following the introduction of a maximum limit of 100kg of fuel for a race. It has been lasting much longer, too.

Red Bull's car, all the drivers who have watched it on track agree, may well still be the class of the field in terms of aerodynamic downforce. But under this new set of rules engine performance is expected to be the dominant factor in performance, initially at least.

As the engine specifications are frozen for the year, in theory Red Bull are facing a season in the midfield. In practice, the rules allow manufacturers to apply to make changes on grounds of "cost-saving, reliability and safety". These are a backdoor way of making performance upgrades, and all three engine builders will be trying to exploit them to the limit.

That is just one of several potential areas of controversy this season. There will doubtless be more as the season develops, and perhaps already this weekend. But so also will there be the joy of novelty and surprise.

--

Fresh from the worst season in their history in 2013, Williams have made a dramatic step forward, only part of which can be attributed to switching from Renault to Mercedes engines.

The new car appears genuinely competitive and they and their unheralded but extremely talented driver Valtteri Bottas could be in line for a sensational start to the season.

The Finn's team-mate Felipe Massa set the fastest overall lap time in the two final tests in Bahrain but the word is that it was Bottas who was the more impressive of the two, and by a considerable margin.

"We have a good feeling," Bottas said. "We've seen the car is reliable, good quality, well built and quite quick.

"We have made some good progress as a team. What's unknown is how much quicker everyone else can go."

Williams showed their true absolute pace in testing and they doubt Mercedes did the same. So they don't believe they can out-qualify the factory Mercedes cars of Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg here. But over a race distance Williams could be a real threat. What a turnaround that would be.

Of the other Mercedes teams, the impression so far is that Force India are in better shape than McLaren, although that may be because McLaren saved their upgrade package for this weekend.

[Tal]

Hoping things improve soon horsey.

Thread's gone right downhill since you've been gone.

[bobby1]

The best price now for Felix Younger is 7/2, it was 4/1 moments before I tried to get on, but it all disappeared.

There has not been a "price guide" for the horse, so I've no idea if 7/2 is OK.

I don't know who owns the bet, either. Claypole, Ed, Tighty?

For now, we have had £25 @ 7/2, Felix Younger, with Paddy Power. I believe there may be some associated Offers with this bet. (MBS etc?)

We might have more later, I can't really gauge how strong it is fancied as there has not been a proper recommend yet.



CHELTENHAM 13:30 JLT NOVICES CHASE 2m 4f
13-03-2014 13:30
Win or E/W
Felix Yonger @ 7/2


Your Bets

Win
Single: Felix Yonger @ 7/2
1 line at £25.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £25.00
 Potential returns: £112.50
No: O/23146337/0000452
 

Total stake: £25.00
 Free bets voucher: £0.00
 Total Cost: £25.00


BET PLACED

Its not easy to do a proper recommend without spoiling the work of our good friend!

I would be copying.

It was mentioned on here last night, I mentioned where I saw pertinent comment on twitter

not sure what else i can be expected to do? Probably just back it myself and not try to get thread on

(I appreciate its hectic and you are snowed under elsewhere)

Cake and eat it spring to mind tho Rich, maybe time for a rethink? It's a bit rich saying it would be unfair on your good friend if you used his stuff when your good friend has no qualms about doing that himself.

[tikay]

There is only really one horse for Hills mobile tomorrow

Annie Power is best prices 6/4 for the World Hurdle. 

Suggest £25 3.20 Cheltenham Annie Power.

Felix Younger is probably a bet in the first too, but is more marginal.  Any profit probably isn't worth a debate,so will give it a miss.

Big Buck's is 9/2 with Coral at 8.15 and if you can get 9/4 with Ladbrokes Annie Power you should.  I will be piling on any Annie Power offers I see that aren't with Ladbrokes.

Slowly catching up here.

We have not used WH Mobile for previous Annie Power Bets, so we've had the usual £25 "Offer" bet on Annie Power, @ 6/4, with a £25 Free Bet if we finish 2nd.



13 Mar 14 / 11:47

Stake

3:20 Cheltenham – Annie Power @ Guaranteed Price (6/4)

- £25.00

O/0457483/0000878/F

BET PLACED

[TightEnd]

The best price now for Felix Younger is 7/2, it was 4/1 moments before I tried to get on, but it all disappeared.

There has not been a "price guide" for the horse, so I've no idea if 7/2 is OK.

I don't know who owns the bet, either. Claypole, Ed, Tighty?

For now, we have had £25 @ 7/2, Felix Younger, with Paddy Power. I believe there may be some associated Offers with this bet. (MBS etc?)

We might have more later, I can't really gauge how strong it is fancied as there has not been a proper recommend yet.



CHELTENHAM 13:30 JLT NOVICES CHASE 2m 4f
13-03-2014 13:30
Win or E/W
Felix Yonger @ 7/2


Your Bets

Win
Single: Felix Yonger @ 7/2
1 line at £25.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £25.00
 Potential returns: £112.50
No: O/23146337/0000452
 

Total stake: £25.00
 Free bets voucher: £0.00
 Total Cost: £25.00


BET PLACED

Its not easy to do a proper recommend without spoiling the work of our good friend!

I would be copying.

It was mentioned on here last night, I mentioned where I saw pertinent comment on twitter

not sure what else i can be expected to do? Probably just back it myself and not try to get thread on

(I appreciate its hectic and you are snowed under elsewhere)

Cake and eat it spring to mind tho Rich, maybe time for a rethink? It's a bit rich saying it would be unfair on your good friend if you used his stuff when your good friend has no qualms about doing that himself.

what do I have to rethink? trying to play fair by betting emporium on here, as we have all agreed we will do given its a PPV service,  then get pounced on for not giving proper rationale, when at the start I said the ideas were from elsewhere.

[Doobs]

Superb article just out

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/26558005



The Australian Grand Prix comes with the promise of a new competitive order, unfamiliar names at the front and an end to the bullet-proof reliability that has come to characterise F1 in the modern age.

But the main reason for Red Bull's struggles has been their engine supplier. Renault's attempts to build a 1.6-litre V6 turbo hybrid 'power-unit' to the most complex engine formula ever used in F1 have fallen well short of those of rivals Mercedes and, to a lesser extent, Ferrari.

--


Judging by winter testing, it is questionable whether any Renault-powered car will be able to make it to the end of the race. And the French company's two best teams - Red Bull and Lotus - have had comfortably the worst pre-season of any.

One senior figure with in-depth knowledge of Renault's situation predicted this weekend would be "ugly" for the French manufacturer.

--

The Mercedes engine is producing much more power for a given amount of fuel - the crucial ingredient in F1 this year following the introduction of a maximum limit of 100kg of fuel for a race. It has been lasting much longer, too.

Red Bull's car, all the drivers who have watched it on track agree, may well still be the class of the field in terms of aerodynamic downforce. But under this new set of rules engine performance is expected to be the dominant factor in performance, initially at least.

As the engine specifications are frozen for the year, in theory Red Bull are facing a season in the midfield. In practice, the rules allow manufacturers to apply to make changes on grounds of "cost-saving, reliability and safety". These are a backdoor way of making performance upgrades, and all three engine builders will be trying to exploit them to the limit.

That is just one of several potential areas of controversy this season. There will doubtless be more as the season develops, and perhaps already this weekend. But so also will there be the joy of novelty and surprise.

--

Fresh from the worst season in their history in 2013, Williams have made a dramatic step forward, only part of which can be attributed to switching from Renault to Mercedes engines.

The new car appears genuinely competitive and they and their unheralded but extremely talented driver Valtteri Bottas could be in line for a sensational start to the season.

The Finn's team-mate Felipe Massa set the fastest overall lap time in the two final tests in Bahrain but the word is that it was Bottas who was the more impressive of the two, and by a considerable margin.

"We have a good feeling," Bottas said. "We've seen the car is reliable, good quality, well built and quite quick.

"We have made some good progress as a team. What's unknown is how much quicker everyone else can go."

Williams showed their true absolute pace in testing and they doubt Mercedes did the same. So they don't believe they can out-qualify the factory Mercedes cars of Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg here. But over a race distance Williams could be a real threat. What a turnaround that would be.

Of the other Mercedes teams, the impression so far is that Force India are in better shape than McLaren, although that may be because McLaren saved their upgrade package for this weekend.

I think we have missed the Massa boat, despite it seemingly stopping at our pier several times.   Think it is too late for the Aussie Grand Prix for the Williams too.

I think there is still some possible value in Bottas at 50/1 for the Championship, suggest a tenner each way at 50/1.   We can get it with B365, totesport, sportingbet and if desperate 3p e/w with industry giant, Lolbrokes.

[BigAdz]

The best price now for Felix Younger is 7/2, it was 4/1 moments before I tried to get on, but it all disappeared.

There has not been a "price guide" for the horse, so I've no idea if 7/2 is OK.

I don't know who owns the bet, either. Claypole, Ed, Tighty?

For now, we have had £25 @ 7/2, Felix Younger, with Paddy Power. I believe there may be some associated Offers with this bet. (MBS etc?)

We might have more later, I can't really gauge how strong it is fancied as there has not been a proper recommend yet.



CHELTENHAM 13:30 JLT NOVICES CHASE 2m 4f
13-03-2014 13:30
Win or E/W
Felix Yonger @ 7/2


Your Bets

Win
Single: Felix Yonger @ 7/2
1 line at £25.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £25.00
 Potential returns: £112.50
No: O/23146337/0000452
 

Total stake: £25.00
 Free bets voucher: £0.00
 Total Cost: £25.00


BET PLACED

Its not easy to do a proper recommend without spoiling the work of our good friend!

I would be copying.

It was mentioned on here last night, I mentioned where I saw pertinent comment on twitter

not sure what else i can be expected to do? Probably just back it myself and not try to get thread on

(I appreciate its hectic and you are snowed under elsewhere)

Cake and eat it spring to mind tho Rich, maybe time for a rethink? It's a bit rich saying it would be unfair on your good friend if you used his stuff when your good friend has no qualms about doing that himself.

what do I have to rethink? trying to play fair by betting emporium on here, as we have all agreed we will do given its a PPV service,  then get pounced on for not giving proper rationale, when at the start I said the ideas were from elsewhere.

Not read wall to wall thread, but assume Neil must have advised Felix Yonger. Does this mean we have to second guess what he has backed before we make a recommend??!!

Really?!

[tikay]

The best price now for Felix Younger is 7/2, it was 4/1 moments before I tried to get on, but it all disappeared.

There has not been a "price guide" for the horse, so I've no idea if 7/2 is OK.

I don't know who owns the bet, either. Claypole, Ed, Tighty?

For now, we have had £25 @ 7/2, Felix Younger, with Paddy Power. I believe there may be some associated Offers with this bet. (MBS etc?)

We might have more later, I can't really gauge how strong it is fancied as there has not been a proper recommend yet.



CHELTENHAM 13:30 JLT NOVICES CHASE 2m 4f
13-03-2014 13:30
Win or E/W
Felix Yonger @ 7/2


Your Bets

Win
Single: Felix Yonger @ 7/2
1 line at £25.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £25.00
 Potential returns: £112.50
No: O/23146337/0000452
 

Total stake: £25.00
 Free bets voucher: £0.00
 Total Cost: £25.00


BET PLACED

Its not easy to do a proper recommend without spoiling the work of our good friend!

I would be copying.

It was mentioned on here last night, I mentioned where I saw pertinent comment on twitter

not sure what else i can be expected to do? Probably just back it myself and not try to get thread on

(I appreciate its hectic and you are snowed under elsewhere)

Cake and eat it spring to mind tho Rich, maybe time for a rethink? It's a bit rich saying it would be unfair on your good friend if you used his stuff when your good friend has no qualms about doing that himself.

what do I have to rethink? trying to play fair by betting emporium on here, as we have all agreed we will do given its a PPV service,  then get pounced on for not giving proper rationale, when at the start I said the ideas were from elsewhere.

We should not be bickering during Cheltenham, any of us, let's move on please.

My comments as to "lack of rationale" specifically referred to the Broadway Buffalo bet, which was repeatedly Posted as "mentioned by Ed on Twitter" or somesuch. I can't really back stuff based on "Ed mentioned it on Twitter", & there was no race time, or other detail. That was my only point. 

[Doobs]

The best price now for Felix Younger is 7/2, it was 4/1 moments before I tried to get on, but it all disappeared.

There has not been a "price guide" for the horse, so I've no idea if 7/2 is OK.

I don't know who owns the bet, either. Claypole, Ed, Tighty?

For now, we have had £25 @ 7/2, Felix Younger, with Paddy Power. I believe there may be some associated Offers with this bet. (MBS etc?)

We might have more later, I can't really gauge how strong it is fancied as there has not been a proper recommend yet.



CHELTENHAM 13:30 JLT NOVICES CHASE 2m 4f
13-03-2014 13:30
Win or E/W
Felix Yonger @ 7/2


Your Bets

Win
Single: Felix Yonger @ 7/2
1 line at £25.00 per line
Total stake for this bet: £25.00
 Potential returns: £112.50
No: O/23146337/0000452
 

Total stake: £25.00
 Free bets voucher: £0.00
 Total Cost: £25.00


BET PLACED

Its not easy to do a proper recommend without spoiling the work of our good friend!

I would be copying.

It was mentioned on here last night, I mentioned where I saw pertinent comment on twitter

not sure what else i can be expected to do? Probably just back it myself and not try to get thread on

(I appreciate its hectic and you are snowed under elsewhere)

Cake and eat it spring to mind tho Rich, maybe time for a rethink? It's a bit rich saying it would be unfair on your good friend if you used his stuff when your good friend has no qualms about doing that himself.

what do I have to rethink? trying to play fair by betting emporium on here, as we have all agreed we will do given its a PPV service,  then get pounced on for not giving proper rationale, when at the start I said the ideas were from elsewhere.

Not read wall to wall thread, but assume Neil must have advised Felix Yonger. Does this mean we have to second guess what he has backed before we make a recommend??!!

Really?!

Meh, I mentioned it early in the morning.  I would have put it up, but I try and avoid the offers bets that are that marginal as the profit isn't worth the baggage.

I was a bit slow this year, so didn't get a betting emporium subscription, but it seems a tricky balancing act if you have one.  If I am thinking about something then read it on Betting Emporium, which confirms my thoughts, then would I still be OK to post it here.  

I am not sure I know the answer here, but if people aren't posting because they have read about horses on Betting emporium that tehy were already likely to back, then it can't be good for the thread.

[Doobs]

Moving on, sorry Tikay.

Al Ferof is the latest Hills bet at 6/1.  As we have it already, I don't think we need more for thread, but may be of interest to others.

[TightEnd]

Think we are arse about tit here

My initial post was

"Put a couple forward please? (other peoples stuff I notice)

Felix Yonger. On twitter tikay's mate Boycie quotes Mullins as saying "twice the horse on good ground than soft"

Broadway buffalo in the Pertemps e/w. edgascoigne who doesn't post enough or tip nearly enough was putting this up as his plot last night"


Plenty of information about where to find Broadway buffalo

Felix Yonger - the BE tip went up after this, or I saw it after this

Once I have seen this, then its a bit awkward (trying to do the right thing by Neil), which is the poitn doobs is making above

[BorntoBubble]

Moving on, sorry Tikay.

Al Ferof is the latest Hills bet at 6/1.  As we have it already, I don't think we need more for thread, but may be of interest to others.

im assuming its a sure bet the hills mobile price boost every 15 minute malarky?

[claypole]

And in fairness I supported saying I had backed due to ground and I have no clue what Neil is on...

Thinks it's all cool