Independence Referendum

[Doobs]

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Independence will not and cannot be any worse for Scotland than what we have just now. 

Given that a situation like Ireland or Greeces (or even Spain's 'almost') is always going to be possible for an independent Scotland that statement seems either bizarrely optimistic about the future or weirdly pessimistic about the present.

Or the truth.  The UK State led by England is morally and fiscally bankrupt. 

Absolute nonsense

Complete and utter baloney

you really are blinded by ideological crap

I am not blined by any ideological crap.  I am sick of the bullshit I hear from those south of the border who give out about us being too wee, too poor, too stupid.  Or that the big bad boys in EU will force us into the euro or that we are somehow dependent on the UK state.   

Why indulge in a policy discussion when you can just point to the big kid and shout bully.   Forgot that is SNP strategy on these discussions too. 

You say we are fiscally bankrupt, but we choose to debate the point and it is ignored.  And if the UK is fiscally bankrupt then surely Scotland is and all that balony about building a fund with oil revenues is impossible?   I thought it was going to be a really tough ask when running a big deficit, but if we are all bankrupt, you have no hope. 

[Kmac84]

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Independence will not and cannot be any worse for Scotland than what we have just now. 

Given that a situation like Ireland or Greeces (or even Spain's 'almost') is always going to be possible for an independent Scotland that statement seems either bizarrely optimistic about the future or weirdly pessimistic about the present.

Or the truth.  The UK State led by England is morally and fiscally bankrupt. 

Absolute nonsense

Complete and utter baloney

you really are blinded by ideological crap

I am not blined by any ideological crap.  I am sick of the bullshit I hear from those south of the border who give out about us being too wee, too poor, too stupid.  Or that the big bad boys in EU will force us into the euro or that we are somehow dependent on the UK state.   

Why indulge in a policy discussion when you can just point to the big kid and shout bully.   Forgot that is SNP strategy on these discussions too. 

You say we are fiscally bankrupt, but we choose to debate the point and it is ignored.  And if the UK is fiscally bankrupt then surely Scotland is and all that balony about building a fund with oil revenues is impossible?   I thought it was going to be a really tough ask when running a big deficit, but if we are all bankrupt, you have no hope. 

This is not about the SNP.  FWIW I don't see that as their tactic either they have opened the floor to debate with the leader of the UK he refuses to enter that because he knows how it would end.

If running up debts of 1.3 trillion is not fiscally bankrupt then I don't know what is. 

Scotland has a lower deficit than the UK as a whole, we also generate more taxes per person than the UK as a whole. 

If it werent for UK debt repayments Scotland would have been in Surplas in 30 of the last 31 years. 

The oil fund would not be an overnight success but I am sure if managed with Scotlands interests at its heart then in time it would be a success.  Scotland is the only country to have discovered oil that has got poorer.  Go figure. 

FWIW I am not a nationalist, I don't have a nationalist bone in my body.  I want normality, and normality for me is being in charge of your own destiny having sovereignty being in control of your own finances, also controling your own defence, benefit system, health care system etc.   The Westminister way doesn't benefit Scotland, truth be told it doesn't benefit large parts of England.  Its an elitist system. 

[Kmac84]

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Independence will not and cannot be any worse for Scotland than what we have just now.  

Given that a situation like Ireland or Greeces (or even Spain's 'almost') is always going to be possible for an independent Scotland that statement seems either bizarrely optimistic about the future or weirdly pessimistic about the present.

Or the truth.  The UK State led by England is morally and fiscally bankrupt.  

Lol your lack of objectivity is absolutely astounding.

I give up. Gl with the referendum.

I would rather be optimistic and look forward to change than be all doom and gloom.  You take what you have been spoon fed from those who have a vested interest and regurgitate it and somehow expect me to take it as fact. 

[Jon MW]

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If running up debts of 1.3 trillion is not fiscally bankrupt then I don't know what is. 
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I think actually being bankrupt might be a better definition for fiscally bankrupt 

[mulhuzz]

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If running up debts of 1.3 trillion is not fiscally bankrupt then I don't know what is. 
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I think actually being bankrupt might be a better definition for fiscally bankrupt 

I don't necessarily think it's a good definition for being morally bankrupt either.....

[doubleup]

The UK problem is London.

It sucks in huge amounts of investment.  Look at the amount that is presently being invested in London property.  The London HQs of major companies provide well paid jobs but there is no reason for them to be in London other than for the convenience of the wealthy elite.  But the agglomeration effect has compounded the problem over the years and now it is almost irreversible.

The future of Scotland (and a lot of England) is hand-outs from London and migration of the ablest young people to the South or abroad.  As an independent nation that model won't be an option if we are to survive.  It might be an epic fail, but I can't understand anyone who calls themselves Scottish agreeing that it's better to be a nation hooked up to a life support machine with no possibility of ever leaving a hospital bed.

[Kmac84]

Truth, Lies, Oil and Scotland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_9iod_IWmw

[Kmac84]

Tomorrow's front page of Sunday Herald.

[Kmac84]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/two-percentage-points/

John McCrirck doing his best to covert the soft n's and the don't know's to yes. 

Cheers John.

[Ironside]

Biggest reason to vote yes for me is ukip

Iooks like they are going to get about 24 seats in the euros
Just hope the don't get a toe in the door at Westminster
But looks like they are on the rise and I really don't want
To be in a country where they might be sharing power  in a coalition

[mulhuzz]

Biggest reason to vote yes for me is ukip

Iooks like they are going to get about 24 seats in the euros
Just hope the don't get a toe in the door at Westminster
But looks like they are on the rise and I really don't want
To be in a country where they might be sharing power  in a coalition

best reason i saw so far.

[Kmac84]

What would prescriptions cost you Ironside if we voted no.  Reading between the lines in many of your posts on here it would seem you are quite ill and I assume on lots or medication.  Apologies if this is not the case but surly keeping free prescriptions and an NHS that was free should be a maor reason for you?

[Kmac84]

It would seem by a number of reports that BetterTogether have got rid of darling and are bringing in wee Duggie.  

Mark Wallace in Conservative Home, 14 May 2014:

“Darling might not have been the most dynamic campaigner in the world, but at least he isn’t a complete and utter Jonah. Replacing him with Alexander is the equivalent of replacing your single-bar heater with a bonfire in your lounge because you weren’t warm enough, substituting your Morris Minor with a North Korean missile in the hope of getting to work faster or deciding to shave with a lawnmower because your disposable Bic was a bit blunt.“

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6rb5y5QTw

Why do all my you tube links come up as invalid?

[mulhuzz]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6rb5y5QTw

Why do all my you tube links come up as invalid?

you need to manually remove the s from https:// sometimes

[Ironside]

What would prescriptions cost you Ironside if we voted no.  Reading between the lines in many of your posts on here it would seem you are quite ill and I assume on lots or medication.  Apologies if this is not the case but surly keeping free prescriptions and an NHS that was free should be a maor reason for you?

as a veteran the army used to pay my prescriptions before we got free ones, and if they didn't I would get a years ticket for next to nothing as a paraplegic it's the way it's done