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Question: Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?
Yes - because it would be better for the Scots
Yes - because the rest of the UK would be better off without the Scots
Don't really know
Don't care
No, the Union is a good thing

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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 08:39:56 PM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want
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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 09:24:23 PM »

One by-product of Scottish independence could be a long-term Conservative majority in England. Would the Don't Cares, which I guess includes me, still not care either way?
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« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2012, 09:25:02 PM »

One by-product of Scottish independence could be a long-term Conservative majority in England. Would the Don't Cares, which I guess includes me, still not care either way?

Still don't care.
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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2012, 09:30:36 PM »

You guys do know that the Bank Of England is the central bank of the UK, don't you ?

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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2012, 09:41:52 PM »

If Scotland ever voted for independence they would never action it without: -
a) dumping most of the National Debt on England, and
b) ensuring entry in Europe and the associated subsidies, and
c) negoiating some kind of ongoing subsidy from England because they are "entitled" due to suffering at the hands of the English for centuries.
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 09:43:40 PM »

If Scotland ever voted for independence they would never action it without: -
a) dumping most of the National Debt on England, and



92% on the UK i gather.

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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2012, 12:32:53 AM »

My daughter told me the other day she thinks it's a bad idea because if Scotland becomes a separate country it'll be more difficult for her to visit her dad's family as they won't be able to drive up Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2012, 02:35:29 AM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2012, 02:36:20 AM »

If Scotland ever voted for independence they would never action it without: -
a) dumping most of the National Debt on England, and



92% on the UK i gather.

Sandy

WTF? Already said a fair split by population.
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 10:50:41 AM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.

So Scotland's plan is to leave the United Kingdom, one of the major players on the world stage, and become a country like Iceland with no influence. To leave this union of countries and hopefully join the European union of countries instead, where bigger more powerful states will still have influence over policy. Perhaps you could manage on your own, but it sounds more like some teenager who wants to move out of home rather than an abused wife. Then when sitting in a bedsit a few weeks later with all the bills piling up realises this isn't really freedom like he dreamed about. Think England are like the parents kinda urging the teenager to go cos he's always miserable in his room, makes too much noise, and costs them a packet.
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2012, 12:49:08 PM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.

LOL and then you woke up  Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2012, 01:45:16 PM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.

LOL and then you woke up  Cheesy

posting a lot itt for someone who doesn't care

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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2012, 02:22:00 PM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.

LOL and then you woke up  Cheesy

posting a lot itt for someone who doesn't care


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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2012, 04:03:04 PM »

If Scotland was independent the RBS crisis would have sent them busto already. I was listening to a debate about this on radio 4, some English MP raised the point that without the British bail-out Scotland would be basically Greece with shit weather.

they would have endded up more like Iceland , but Iceland 3 banks were broke & only one of Scotlands two banks was bust

think Scotland will never be independant , they will leave they UK to be small state in the EU , is that what Scotish people realy want

Let's introduce some facts here. Last time there was a referendum in Scotland over Home Rule the UK Government played the 'you couldn't make it on your own' card. The referendum failed.

30 years afterwards the Government papers from the time were published - and the leading economist of the time had told the UK Government that Scotland were likely to become one of the best economies in Europe, but England would suffer a depression.

Like a wife trying to leave an abusive husband Scotland was browbeaten into staying  - against our best interests.

So when Westminster starts the 'you won't manage on your own' attacks, excuse me while I look upon it with disdain and disgust.

LOL and then you woke up  Cheesy

Some economists thought Scotland would do well and some thought they wouldn't.

But the one's that thought they would do well were looking at places like Ireland - which were subsidised by Europe and got into a mess when the subsidies ran out and the recession started; Iceland - which built it's economy on banking and got into trouble when the banking crisis occurred; and Norway - which had (and has) a surplus of oil reserve tax revenue compared to the population, which Scotland wouldn't have even if they got most of the North Sea oil revenue.

So if it makes you feel any better - Westminster might have thought they were hiding the truth back then, but actually they were probably right all along.
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 04:34:22 PM »

If Scotland ever voted for independence they would never action it without: -
a) dumping most of the National Debt on England, and



92% on the UK i gather.

Sandy

WTF? Already said a fair split by population.


Heard Salmond say we'd take 8% which was either GDP or population % but i can't recall the exact reason but he said 8%. We do have roughly 8% of the UK population though so it would seem fair.

It was during an interview with Paxman who seemed as if he was being more shouty/controversial rather than having a discussion. It's one thing to probe but to do it in an aggressive non listening manner just makes him look like a tabloid journo.

Sandy
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