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« Reply #585 on: October 14, 2016, 05:25:11 PM »

Everything change now he's not guilty?

Bribed a witness for 50 large to say what he was told to say.  Nothing has changed for me.  Still guilty.  Why leave via the fire exit with your head down if you done nothing wrong?

Witness takes all the risk lying in court about not taking the 50 large from Ched's missus she was aggressively offering on FB.  Nice spot for Evans.  Big pockets buy you freedom.  More incredible how his bird's old man bankrolled it all though.  I haven't cheated on many girls who's dad would have been so willing to even speak to you never mind bankroll a court case for you.

Because he wasn't supposed to be in the hotel? Because he didn't wanna be seen on CCTV having just gone behind his partners back? Because he was drunk and thought it might be funny?

Any number of reasons, the mere fact he left via a fire exit hardly makes him guilty.
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« Reply #586 on: October 14, 2016, 05:30:14 PM »

The fact the judge allowed the girl's previous sexual history to be used as evidence is extremely troubling.
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« Reply #587 on: October 14, 2016, 05:38:04 PM »

Everything change now he's not guilty?

Bribed a witness for 50 large to say what he was told to say.  Nothing has changed for me.  Still guilty.  Why leave via the fire exit with your head down if you done nothing wrong?

Witness takes all the risk lying in court about not taking the 50 large from Ched's missus she was aggressively offering on FB.  Nice spot for Evans.  Big pockets buy you freedom.  More incredible how his bird's old man bankrolled it all though.  I haven't cheated on many girls who's dad would have been so willing to even speak to you never mind bankroll a court case for you.

Because he wasn't supposed to be in the hotel? Because he didn't wanna be seen on CCTV having just gone behind his partners back? Because he was drunk and thought it might be funny?

Any number of reasons, the mere fact he left via a fire exit hardly makes him guilty.

Did he enter via the fire exit as well then to 'lol avoid' the cameras?  He think there are no cameras at a prem inn reception?
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« Reply #588 on: October 14, 2016, 05:39:22 PM »

Everything change now he's not guilty?

Bribed a witness for 50 large to say what he was told to say.  Nothing has changed for me.  Still guilty.  Why leave via the fire exit with your head down if you done nothing wrong?

Witness takes all the risk lying in court about not taking the 50 large from Ched's missus she was aggressively offering on FB.  Nice spot for Evans.  Big pockets buy you freedom.  More incredible how his bird's old man bankrolled it all though.  I haven't cheated on many girls who's dad would have been so willing to even speak to you never mind bankroll a court case for you.

Because he wasn't supposed to be in the hotel? Because he didn't wanna be seen on CCTV having just gone behind his partners back? Because he was drunk and thought it might be funny?

Any number of reasons, the mere fact he left via a fire exit hardly makes him guilty.

Did he enter via the fire exit as well then to 'lol avoid' the cameras?  He think there are no cameras at a prem inn reception?

I forget the room was booked in his name Smiley

Leaving via a fire escape makes him guilty then?
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« Reply #589 on: October 14, 2016, 05:46:58 PM »

The fact the judge allowed the girl's previous sexual history to be used as evidence is extremely troubling.

agree with this, when many rapes go unreported already

"Close examination of complainant’s sexual history sets a dangerous legal precedent, say women’s support groups"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/14/campaigners-fear-evans-case-will-stop-women-reporting?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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« Reply #590 on: October 14, 2016, 05:50:11 PM »

or this article

"The Ched Evans trial showed how rape complainants are still put in the dock"

"Woman was subjected to a grilling about her morality and sexual behaviour that was a throwback to the 1980s "

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/14/ched-evans-trial-showed-how-complainants-are-still-put-in-the-dock?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1476459151
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« Reply #591 on: October 14, 2016, 07:02:44 PM »

Here we go again 
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« Reply #592 on: October 14, 2016, 07:09:40 PM »

Astonished not one person has mentioned Evans has been in jail and had his career ruined when he is now acquitted.   Seems like those happy to castigate him on the original court verdict are not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the same basis now.
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« Reply #593 on: October 14, 2016, 07:17:12 PM »

Astonished not one person has mentioned Evans has been in jail and had his career ruined when he is now acquitted.   Seems like those happy to castigate him on the original court verdict are not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the same basis now.

This, for anyone actually bothering to follow the original court case despite some of the ugly things done by the Eans camp there were massive holes in the prosecution.  

Evans is a fool, but I genuinley feel sorry for him.  

I also think it is relevant that the sexual history of the accuser was brought to question.  She was painted as a bit of a saint in the original trial by the prosecution.  
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« Reply #594 on: October 14, 2016, 07:23:01 PM »

Im not completely up to speed with the case but didn't Evans claim that the girl was fairly voracious in bed and had used certain distinctive language, and asked for certain positions to be used?

Given that it previous boyfriends could verify her rather distinctive sexual preferences / languages, I'd have thought that would be  a pretty reasonable thing for the court to hear.

The girl cannot remember sex, Evans remembers very specific requests being made by a girl who was confident and assertive in bed. I think it would be unreasonable to not hear evidence that showed that this behaviour was not out of character, and was not indicative of her being so drunk as to behaving without inhibition
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« Reply #595 on: October 14, 2016, 07:23:57 PM »

Will he get any compensation and if so from whom?
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« Reply #596 on: October 14, 2016, 07:51:42 PM »

Astonished not one person has mentioned Evans has been in jail and had his career ruined when he is now acquitted.   Seems like those happy to castigate him on the original court verdict are not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the same basis now.

This, for anyone actually bothering to follow the original court case despite some of the ugly things done by the Eans camp there were massive holes in the prosecution.  

Evans is a fool, but I genuinley feel sorry for him.  

I also think it is relevant that the sexual history of the accuser was brought to question.  She was painted as a bit of a saint in the original trial by the prosecution.  

I could not disagree more.

She is not on trial, he is.

What she did in the last week is irrelevant. She could have agreed to group sex every day for a year and this time not agreed and it is rape. Her past should not be an issue.

It gives license for rapists to make stuff up about their victims, so their sexual history becomes evidence in a case.
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« Reply #597 on: October 14, 2016, 07:58:47 PM »

Astonished not one person has mentioned Evans has been in jail and had his career ruined when he is now acquitted.   Seems like those happy to castigate him on the original court verdict are not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the same basis now.

This, for anyone actually bothering to follow the original court case despite some of the ugly things done by the Eans camp there were massive holes in the prosecution.  

Evans is a fool, but I genuinley feel sorry for him.  

I also think it is relevant that the sexual history of the accuser was brought to question.  She was painted as a bit of a saint in the original trial by the prosecution.  

I could not disagree more.

She is not on trial, he is.

What she did in the last week is irrelevant. She could have agreed to group sex every day for a year and this time not agreed and it is rape. Her past should not be an issue.

It gives license for rapists to make stuff up about their victims, so their sexual history becomes evidence in a case.

Agree totally.  Why can't a woman consent to whatever sexual activity she likes without it being brought up in the future against her when she doesn't want plain vanilla sex with a random guy.  She could be an escort and it has no influence on a rape case.  It is a disgrace and sets a huge issue moving forward for rape cases.  Evan's lawyers have certainly morally crossed the line for me bringing this up.  
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« Reply #598 on: October 14, 2016, 08:25:19 PM »

The girlfriend offering £50,000 reward for new evidence to the guy at the Premier Inn is at best questionable isn't it?

No one comes out of this with any credit.

As Arbboy said, I wouldn't be massively funding a campaign for a scumbag who was cheating on my daughter (I know this is nothing to do with the court case but it's gobsmacking stuff).
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« Reply #599 on: October 14, 2016, 08:29:55 PM »

What really clouds all of the issues here is that she awoke naked and alone in the hotel room with no memory of what happened that previous night.

She subsequently said that she thought her drink must have been spiked in the club but still didn't say anything about any rape and there was no forensic or DNA evidence.

If those two statements are true I find it hard to understand how CE was convicted in the first place.
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