The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+1)
LAB: 40% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 5% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)

via ICM Research, 08 - 10 Dec

[TightEnd]

very interesting paper.

Financial crisis..

1. Led to losses for mainstream
2. Increased space for populists on left & right
3. Helped make European politics more volatile than even in 1930s
4. But especially in states where IMF intervened

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1475-6765.12122/full

[TightEnd]

Bregrets? Why has Britain has had few? Brexit has become our identity politics - authoritarianism vs. liberalism tribes have replaced left and right economics.

ft £

https://www.ft.com/content/991fe2ca-df21-11e7-8f9f-de1c2175f5ce

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[TightEnd]

Government defeated by EU rebels to enforce 'meaningful vote' on the final Brexit deal; 309 v 305.

the Daily Mail took it well

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[TightEnd]

Phase two may prove harder than phase one—and it will be conducted largely on the EU’s terms

Britain may have to decide if it wants a Norwegian-style relationship with the EU, or a Canadian one

The Economist explains


https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/12/economist-explains-7?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/whythebrexitnegotiationsareabouttogethardertheeconomistexplains

[TightEnd]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

[TightEnd]

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[Woodsey]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

[kukushkin88]

The government should have listened to the rebels, not tried to crush them says

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/breaking-government-defeated-on-brexit-vote/

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

Maybe you could enlighten us as when the time was, post vote, that the EU didn't hold all the cards?

[Longines]

Brexit is fucked now, EU has all the cards. They now have full incentive to give the shitest deal possible knowing that it will go to a vote (They don’t want us to leave we are a big asset to them) and why would parliament vote in a shit deal?

They should just tell the EU to go and fuck themselves when they start being pricks in the next round.

There will be violence on the streets when it becomes more apparent. 

I thought we voted leave to take back control and have a sovereign parliament making the decisions? If the majority decided a vote would be the right thing to do then I guess we should respect the majority.

[StuartHopkin]

I voted leave, and up until this month would have voted leave again without hesitation.

On day 1 the EU definately didn't hold all the cards.

Now I think it is ridiculous to do anything other than pull the plug on the whole thing as we are making such an utter hash of it!

[kukushkin88]

I voted leave, and up until this month would have voted leave again without hesitation.

On day 1 the EU definately didn't hold all the cards.

Now I think it is ridiculous to do anything other than pull the plug on the whole thing as we are making such an utter hash of it!

I'm really not trying to be argumentative but perhaps you can explain why they didn't hold all the cards? What's changed?

[nirvana]

The subject is so dull now. We're not making a hash of it. They don't hold all the cards. Both sides of the negotiation don't exist in a vacuum. Parliament having a final vote seems manifestly ok irrespective of the motivations of those seeking it.the ongoing lack of integrity or grownupness on all sides remains mildly irritating.

I still feel sanguine about the whole thing. I hope we leave but can't imagine I'll be motivated enough to wave a placard if we dont

[StuartHopkin]

I voted leave, and up until this month would have voted leave again without hesitation.

On day 1 the EU definately didn't hold all the cards.

Now I think it is ridiculous to do anything other than pull the plug on the whole thing as we are making such an utter hash of it!

I'm really not trying to be argumentative but perhaps you can explain why they didn't hold all the cards? What's changed?

They were never going to let us walk away without a trade deal, but we behaved as if they would.

[RED-DOG]

Irrespective of my viewpoint, (Stay/fuck off respectively) Brexit & Trump are the most compelling ongoing news story of my lifetime.