The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[ripple11]

an interesting one

"I'm increasingly convinced PM wants to lose customs vote next week. Here's why."

https://infacts.org/does-pm-secretly-hope-to-lose-commons-customs-vote/

In the absence of a long-term solution, May’s current stopgap proposal is the so-called Customs and Regulatory Alignment Period – which has the unfortunate but appropriate acronym, CRAP   

[nirvana]

an interesting one

"I'm increasingly convinced PM wants to lose customs vote next week. Here's why."

https://infacts.org/does-pm-secretly-hope-to-lose-commons-customs-vote/

In the absence of a long-term solution, May’s current stopgap proposal is the so-called Customs and Regulatory Alignment Period – which has the unfortunate but appropriate acronym, CRAP   

I saw this on Sunday politics but wasn't paying full attention and thought it was a joke

[TightEnd]

the freight industry is worried

Read more: https://bit.ly/2Lj41vm

[TightEnd]

 Labour announce major shift towards soft Brexit. Corbyn tables "internal market" amendment to the withdrawal bill, customs bill and trade bill

[TightEnd]

Labour will know perfectly well this amendment promising full access to internal market with no impediments to trade would require a) free movement b) huge level playing field commitments c) full spectrum rule taking. But it's opposition politics so you can promise unicorns.

However they will be able to position themselves as the least eurosceptic of the big two parties were there to be an election in the next 18 months

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 European Governments issue advice to their exporters not to use parts from Britain - Top car exec tells sky news “catastrophe” for UK auto

Dutch Government official advice to its business community warns its manufacturers “if a large part of your product consists of parts from the UK” they may lose free trade terms for exports.

“After Brexit, parts made in UK no longer count towards this minimum production in EU”

The Government would argue that this is premature, but the likes of the Dutch are already advising their manufacturers to reduce dependence on UK:
“Trade with the UK will become more difficult after Brexit... consider looking for alternatives”

Dutch Gov advice to its biz:
“opps for market access for UK competitors are deteriorating. Their access to EU countries is deteriorating. Your UK competitors may also not be able to use EU trade agreements. Check whether to strengthen your competitive position in these markets”

[TightEnd]

the European Commission put out a similar technical note on the rules of origin issue: “As of withdrawal date, the UK becomes a third country. UK inputs are considered 'non-originating'," it says.

Full document: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/notice-to-stakeholders-brexit-preferential-origin-final_en.pdf

[TightEnd]

In theory could be sorted by 1. Being in customs union 2. something called cumulation (both bilateral and diagonal, of course)... but that definitively requires A Deal - ie forget No Deal if you want this sorted.

Indeed even the THREAT of No Deal has allowed the Dutch to do this

[TightEnd]

Company responses:

Eg safety valve manufacturer in Bristol “Seetru” said there was an “oh my god” moment when they realised that their customers in Europe couldn’t buy from them and didnt have the infrastructure to deal with expected UK certificates of origin

Automotive chief exec: “hard Brexiters have lit a bomb under the car industry, and the EU have lit it” warning that this was a “catastrophe” for UK auto and that UK does not have the scale to simply grow its own content

anyway the full story is at https://t.co/hxegnmEXdy

[TightEnd]

Government was told about all of this rules of origin stuff about a month after the referendum by Civil Servants, and in detail by the Japanese memo from Sept 2016:

https://news.sky.com/story/japans-unprecedented-warning-to-uk-over-brexit-10564585

[TightEnd]

The only meaningful difference between Lab's "internal market" bid and EEA amendment is free movt.

Lab front bench wedded to tougher immigration control and "lacks guts to say so".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/05/labour-reveals-scheme-to-maintain-access-to-eu-single-market

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Today's Brexit rant : status Complete

[ripple11]

Today's Brexit rant : status Complete

Excellent......you can start on Love Island now

[bobAlike]

Today's Brexit rant : status Complete

Excellent......you can start on Love Island now

Please don't, I would rather get the Brexit rants over anything Love Island.

[TightEnd]

This morning, 12 Tory MPs put their names to an amendment to the Trade Bill that would keep Britain in the EEA. That is more than rebelled on Dominic Grieve's amendment, with more who have yet to go public about their support for it. The EEA would pass with Labour's support. (which it probably should get but won't)

Here is the wording of the Tory amendment to the Trade Bill in favour of our membership of the European Economic Area.