The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Cf]

Is the summer break over?

[TightEnd]

The Chequers plan is a non-starter in Europe. We are heading for a No Deal Brexit says this written after Barnier's latest comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

[TightEnd]

but no mechanism to change anything

[Pokerpops]

but no mechanism to change anything

If there were a mechanism, what do you think the result would be?
The figures from this article seem to suggest it could be even closer than Ref1. What would a second vote going 51/49 Remain achieve?

[TightEnd]

i have never been a proponent of a second referendum

that said, the concept, wording, remain campaign and some motivations of some voters and especially the implementation since is so bad that it is a real "turkeys laughing on christmas eve" job

my point about the mechanism is that even if you think you'd like to reverse engines, how does it happen? there isn't a way

[RED-DOG]

I think the only way forward is to "leave the EU" but carry on exactly as we did before.

[TightEnd]

I think the only way forward is to "leave the EU" but carry on exactly as we did before.

EEA for 5 years while you do a deal

A deal that looks like Norway's that turns into a deal that looks like Canada's (high economic convergence turning into higher freedom of movement in effect)

the right wing of the Tory party makes that common sense "buys you time" solution practically extremely difficult though....or put another way the terrible election campaign that cost her majority makes it very difficult, politcally, to implement a sensible compromise

[Pokerpops]

I think the only way forward is to "leave the EU" but carry on exactly as we did before.

EEA for 5 years while you do a deal

A deal that looks like Norway's that turns into a deal that looks like Canada's (high economic convergence turning into higher freedom of movement in effect)

the right wing of the Tory party makes that common sense "buys you time" solution practically extremely difficult though....or put another way the terrible election campaign that cost her majority makes it very difficult, politcally, to implement a sensible compromise

Remaining part of the EEA as an interim measure sounds appealing, but in order to end up there we should have set off in that direction from the beginning. Even then, there are any number of obstacles even before you hit the JR-M and BoJo buffers.

https://esharp.eu/debates/the-uk-and-europe/why-the-uk-will-not-become-an-eea-member-after-brexit

[RickBFA]

The Chequers plan is a non-starter in Europe. We are heading for a No Deal Brexit says this written after Barnier's latest comments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

We will see.

Seemed to me it was a message for other European countries as much as to the UK. Brown trouser time in Brussels if we make a break with any reasonable level of success.

It is all posturing right now - lets see what the EU actual do when it gets to the wire.

[TightEnd]

The UK, far from splitting the EU27, they appear to be toughening their Brexit stance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45409188

[MANTIS01]

Basically saying many EU countries want the same reforms that the UK called for before Brexit and their people have the same concerns. However they are fearful of the stern reaction from euro leaders so just toe the line.

[MintTrav]

Basically saying many EU countries want the same reforms that the UK called for before Brexit and their people have the same concerns. However they are fearful of the stern reaction from euro leaders so just toe the line.

It says they are toeing the line re Brexit but the reforms are on the table.

[TightEnd]

what a quote

[TightEnd]

Michel Barnier has dealt a further blow to Theresa May’s beleaguered Brexit plan by reportedly telling MPs she should ditch the Chequers deal and pursue a Canada-style arrangement instead.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/97995/michel-barnier-%E2%80%98proposes-canada-style-brexit-deal-over

[RED-DOG]

What does Canada do about the Irish border?