The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Sheriff Fatman]

sorry, but he is quoting Boris and Davis?

both complete chancers at best and incompetent at worst,one who attended 4 hours of negotiations in 18 months of brexit secertary, signed up to the Irish backstop last december then this month said it was "unworkable", the other who before the referendum proclaimed he wanted to stay in the single market then changed his mind for political expediency.

It's a complete joke

JRM is in la la land

I think Reece-Mogg is trying to play the Francis Urquhart (Ian Richardson version) role in this particular House of Cards.

All we need now is for him to utter "you might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment".

[Woodsey]

sorry, but he is quoting Boris and Davis?

both complete chancers at best and incompetent at worst,one who attended 4 hours of negotiations in 18 months of brexit secertary, signed up to the Irish backstop last december then this month said it was "unworkable", the other who before the referendum proclaimed he wanted to stay in the single market then changed his mind for political expediency.

It's a complete joke

JRM is in la la land

Would you take JC over them?  

[TightEnd]

sorry, but he is quoting Boris and Davis?

both complete chancers at best and incompetent at worst,one who attended 4 hours of negotiations in 18 months of brexit secertary, signed up to the Irish backstop last december then this month said it was "unworkable", the other who before the referendum proclaimed he wanted to stay in the single market then changed his mind for political expediency.

It's a complete joke

JRM is in la la land

Would you take JC over them? 

Wouldn't want any of them, of the current alternatives

Find myself politically homeless, would struggle to vote for one of the major parties if there was an election tomorrow

[bobAlike]

Laura Kuenssberg reporting that the ERG will submit letters for a vote of no confidence in the PM. Need 48 to trigger the vote.

However, disagreement in the room about whether to do a letter or just vote down the deal.

Maybe there should be a peoples vote on the content of the letter. Obviously extend the vote to include 16 year olds and count them double.

[Sheriff Fatman]

sorry, but he is quoting Boris and Davis?

both complete chancers at best and incompetent at worst,one who attended 4 hours of negotiations in 18 months of brexit secertary, signed up to the Irish backstop last december then this month said it was "unworkable", the other who before the referendum proclaimed he wanted to stay in the single market then changed his mind for political expediency.

It's a complete joke

JRM is in la la land

Would you take JC over them? 

Wouldn't want any of them, of the current alternatives

Find myself politically homeless, would struggle to vote for one of the major parties if there was an election tomorrow

Totally agree with this sentiment.  I'm heading towards spoiling a ballot paper at the next General Election unless something changes.

The tragedy is that this thing masquerading as the Labour Party is almost as unpalatable an option as the Tories, in its current form, which is something I never thought I say in my lifetime.  If the moderates within it could somehow be separated from the lunatics running it then that would be a different story, but that's not going to happen in the short-term.

[Woodsey]

Pensions gonna be proper fked by the end of today 

As if it wasn’t enough with the threat of interest rises in the US and The Donald generally opening his trap on various issues that affect the stock market 

[MANTIS01]

A VIABLE DEAL FOR THE UK TO LEAVE THE EU IS NOT POSSIBLE

Don’t know about you guys but personally find that statement pretty chilling.

We are trapped and have no viable choice to change

[TightEnd]

A VIABLE DEAL FOR THE UK TO LEAVE THE EU IS NOT POSSIBLE

Don’t know about you guys but personally find that statement pretty chilling.

We are trapped and have no viable choice to change

this is because in a globalised interconnected world with just in time supply chains there are not the technological solutions yet to prevent a huge economic dislocation

Even if you say "i don't care about the economics" then the unalienable fact now is that the Good Friday Agreement is the main constitutional agreement to resolve and two years of debate has not led to a customs/border solution that keeps that intact to the satisfaction of both sides of that divide

So no, Leave is a busted argument

The right way was always to influence from within

There is not a single deal that is better than the arrangement we have now

I have to laugh when the "crazies" now say "this deal will lose us sovereignty" thereby implicitly confirming that we have sovereignty in the EU

complete charlatans, or lack of intellectual rigour, or both

[Woodsey]

What are the odds being offered on next Tory leader?

As speculation continues over Conservative MPs submitting letters of no confidence in the PM to the 1922 Committee, who do the bookmakers think might succeed Theresa May if a vacancy arises?

Dominic Raab - 5/1

Sajid Javid - 11/2

Boris Johnson - 6/1

Michael Gove - 17/2

Jeremy Hunt - 17/2

Jacob Rees-Mogg - 17/2

David Davis - 17/2

[BigAdz]

Always laugh at those that suggest a deal was never possible.

None of us know how bad a negotiator TM is/was, and I for one suspect the mass resignations tell us that she has been pretty damn poor.

One wonders if even a half decent used car salesman could have done a better job.......

[RED-DOG]

What more could we reasonably expect to get?

[TightEnd]

Always laugh at those that suggest a deal was never possible.

None of us know how bad a negotiator TM is/was, and I for one suspect the mass resignations tell us that she has been pretty damn poor.

One wonders if even a half decent used car salesman could have done a better job.......

the fact that none of the brexit politicians in government could put together anything different suggests otherwise

i always ask on here, what is the solution for the irish border problem? nothing comes back

how do you protect a globalised UK economy with frictionless trade if you leave? nothing comes back

its not a great deal but all the politicans who complain don't suggest a viable alternative!

[MANTIS01]

A VIABLE DEAL FOR THE UK TO LEAVE THE EU IS NOT POSSIBLE

Don’t know about you guys but personally find that statement pretty chilling.

We are trapped and have no viable choice to change

this is because in a globalised interconnected world with just in time supply chains there are not the technological solutions yet to prevent a huge economic dislocation

Even if you say "i don't care about the economics" then the unalienable fact now is that the Good Friday Agreement is the main constitutional agreement to resolve and two years of debate has not led to a customs/border solution that keeps that intact to the satisfaction of both sides of that divide

So no, Leave is a busted argument

The right way was always to influence from within

There is not a single deal that is better than the arrangement we have now

I have to laugh when the "crazies" now say "this deal will lose us sovereignty" thereby implicitly confirming that we have sovereignty in the EU

complete charlatans, or lack of intellectual rigour, or both

So we’re trapped...

[kukushkin88]

What are the odds being offered on next Tory leader?

As speculation continues over Conservative MPs submitting letters of no confidence in the PM to the 1922 Committee, who do the bookmakers think might succeed Theresa May if a vacancy arises?

Dominic Raab - 5/1

Sajid Javid - 11/2

Boris Johnson - 6/1

Michael Gove - 17/2

Jeremy Hunt - 17/2

Jacob Rees-Mogg - 17/2

David Davis - 17/2

Looks like Boris is the bet, I also think Gove is a fair price.

[Woodsey]

What are the odds being offered on next Tory leader?

As speculation continues over Conservative MPs submitting letters of no confidence in the PM to the 1922 Committee, who do the bookmakers think might succeed Theresa May if a vacancy arises?

Dominic Raab - 5/1

Sajid Javid - 11/2

Boris Johnson - 6/1

Michael Gove - 17/2

Jeremy Hunt - 17/2

Jacob Rees-Mogg - 17/2

David Davis - 17/2

Looks like Boris is the bet, I also think Gove is a fair price.

Haha.....go on then, I reckon you can’t bring yourself to do it