The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[arbboy]

Interesting comments by Tim (spoons founder) in the latest Spoons magazine if you in a spoons have a read of the mag (you might be able to read it online at their website) good read on brexit albeit it Tim is like a second version of Woodsey.  His comments about how his business has adapted to remove eu high end branded products (champagne/brandy/wheat beer among a few) and replace them with cheaper alternatiives for his punters and in blind taste tests he claims they were massively preferred.  He is making out every business can do what he is doing.  Not sure every business has the buying power he has to drive new business to loss leading prices to get onboard the spoons pay roll.  

[TightEnd]

European Research Group currently discussing whether is possible to oppose the delay - sources tell me its advice is currently government doesn’t need to call a vote on the delay

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/eurosceptics-threaten-to-block-government-delay-to-brexit-vote/

[doubleup]

I said that the article was a typical of brexit fibitorial and posted links to demonstrate this.  I don't see you refuting the links just giving more of the same f-cking crap.

Posted by a man so full of joy, even at the Yuletide

In case I hadn't made it clear, I don't gaf about anything you say, anything you think.  So you just make yourself look stupider with every dig.  

[TightEnd]

Why is there a logjam in parliament

one lobby correspondent suggests the following

Approx.

A No-deal Brexit: 124 MPs.
B PM's deal: 215 MPs.
C Referendum (ie, Remain as their default position): 300.

With NDB as default if they can't decide

A plus B wins but A won't vote for B
C won't vote for B

stalemate

[TightEnd]

There is a new beast being discussed by the big beasts of Westminster: GNU or Government of National Unity...a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency.

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I hope you are finding this interesting, pretty unusual times

[RED-DOG]

There is a new beast being discussed by the big beasts of Westminster: GNU or Government of National Unity...a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency.

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I hope you are finding this interesting, pretty unusual times

I'm glued to every post.

(When I'm not glued to a yak that is)

[Longines]

GNU sounds sensible however I think Corbyn and McDonnell would rather be in opposition for ever rather than work with a Tory.

Doesn't help either that the number of decent, credible, intelligent, pragmatic politicians currently in the HoC can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

[MANTIS01]

I posted the article without comment. People are free to debate and question

Your own headline ...Clown Lies & Gullible supporter agrees without question

Stock venomous attitude of Remain and blatantly untrue (whilst whining about untruths) lol

The reality is Remain want to hog this thread and post multiple biased untrue articles every day. Any Remain article for balance gets lambasted by the real clowns who only want to insult folk and try to reverse a democratic decision.

This is a time where the country needs leaders and courage. Not Remainers who tremble in their boots. My advice to Remain is to visit the GP now and see if he/she can prescribe 2x testicles because there is going to be a medical shortage after Brexit don’t forget

In years of studying political theory, admittedly 30 plus years ago now, I found no argument in Rousseau, Hobbes, Locke, Mill, Paine, Hamilton, Madison, Berlin, Rawls, Dicey, Hare, (or even Nozick) that could justify the idea that holding a vote to review an earlier decision could be deemed undemocratic.

At first glance thought that was the 1966 World Cup team.

The crux of my point is Remain were hopping made about Brexit Bus, lies and stupid ignorant voters first time around

Now those stupid voters have been fed an avalanche of unicorn horse shit and scared half to death about babies dying and plagues of frogs the vote will be manipulated in favour of a desired outcome

You can quote a long list of names. Anybody can see that’s Dicey, Harey and Paineful

[Doobs]

GNU sounds sensible however I think Corbyn and McDonnell would rather be in opposition for ever rather than work with a Tory.

Doesn't help either that the number of decent, credible, intelligent, pragmatic politicians currently in the HoC can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

The problem with the National Unity Government is we have a recent example with the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives.   I think it was clearly the right thing to do, but they have been severly punished for it. Even before it has happened, half the parliamentary labour party are described as red tories by Corbyn supporters.

Who steps up on the labour side given the above?

[TightEnd]

I posted the article without comment. People are free to debate and question

Your own headline ...Clown Lies & Gullible supporter agrees without question

Stock venomous attitude of Remain and blatantly untrue (whilst whining about untruths) lol

The reality is Remain want to hog this thread and post multiple biased untrue articles every day. Any Remain article for balance gets lambasted by the real clowns who only want to insult folk and try to reverse a democratic decision.

This is a time where the country needs leaders and courage. Not Remainers who tremble in their boots. My advice to Remain is to visit the GP now and see if he/she can prescribe 2x testicles because there is going to be a medical shortage after Brexit don’t forget

In years of studying political theory, admittedly 30 plus years ago now, I found no argument in Rousseau, Hobbes, Locke, Mill, Paine, Hamilton, Madison, Berlin, Rawls, Dicey, Hare, (or even Nozick) that could justify the idea that holding a vote to review an earlier decision could be deemed undemocratic.

At first glance thought that was the 1966 World Cup team.

The crux of my point is Remain were hopping made about Brexit Bus, lies and stupid ignorant voters first time around

Now those stupid voters have been fed an avalanche of unicorn horse shit and scared half to death about babies dying and plagues of frogs the vote will be manipulated in favour of a desired outcome

You can quote a long list of names. Anybody can see that’s Dicey, Harey and Paineful

great so as retrieved from notepad i will ask what has been asked frequently over the past two years

what about Northern Ireland, JIT manufacturing, food supplies, Gibraltar, air space, radioactive isotopes for chemotherapy etc.

that's unicorn horseshit and scaring people half to death apparently.

What IS the plan for all that???

got anything yet?

[MANTIS01]

What’s your plan to end freedom of movement and independent justice which were the two major vote drivers?

[TightEnd]

What’s your plan to end freedom of movement and independent justice which were the two major vote drivers?

I wouldn't. think both free movement and the benefits of immigration plus the ECJ are on balance beneficial.

answer my questions! (two years and waiting)

[Sheriff Fatman]

What’s your plan to end freedom of movement and independent justice which were the two major vote drivers?

I don't recall voting for either of those when I put my cross next to "Leave the European Union", despite the Government telling me for the last two years that I did.

[Longines]

What’s your plan to end freedom of movement and independent justice which were the two major vote drivers?

A referendum?

Soft Brexit
Hard Brexit
Chequers
Canada +
Canada +++
Norway for Now
Norway +
EEA
EFTA
May’s Deall
No Deal
Managed No Deal
Jobs-First Brexit
Clean Brexit

[TightEnd]

PM just made it clear the meaningful vote may not be tabled again until January 21. With no guarantee she can re-negotiate anything.

That’s a further 6 week delay, on a timetable that is already painfully tight to deliver all Brexit legislation in time for March 29.

A50 extension ever more likely now. Practically it has to be, running out of time

the bigger point, that what is acceptable to the EU to protect the GFA/Rep of Ireland isn't acceptable to the UK Parliament so whether anything that is capable of being negotiated is passable at all to this voting make up is looking highly questionable at best