The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[ripple11]

 Obviously so much remains on what Geoffery Cox can bring back from his negoiations.....but DUP/ ERG are looking for a way to get this deal through now.

Probably not quite fav atm, but I would say Mays deal might well get passed after a couple of more votes.

[ripple11]

Britain to run out of contraceptives in 2019?    3/1


What sort of price is this!.......Paddy must think we were born yesterday.

[BigAdz]

There is no majority for TM’s deal
There is no majority for No Deal
There is no majority for a 2nd ref

So, likely to face an extension of A50. What on earth is that going to solve?

There simply is only one way out of this & that is a second vote, where it’s taken out of the politicians hands. Because simply we are never going to get a majority for anything, so therefore the 60m must vote on it, not the 650 who can’t mske a decision. Simply Deal v Remain.

Otherwise how realistically do we solve this? No deal isn’t realistic when neither MP’s or folk would vote for that cliff edge.

We voted for leave, it should be deal or no deal everything else should be off the ballot. If we cant get a deal we should leave.

You are using the we voted leave, so that means leave & im going to use the argument of lies being told by leave and now we now we know what Brexit looks like argument.

I think both are valid to be fair.

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

[bobAlike]

There is no majority for TM’s deal
There is no majority for No Deal
There is no majority for a 2nd ref

So, likely to face an extension of A50. What on earth is that going to solve?

There simply is only one way out of this & that is a second vote, where it’s taken out of the politicians hands. Because simply we are never going to get a majority for anything, so therefore the 60m must vote on it, not the 650 who can’t mske a decision. Simply Deal v Remain.

Otherwise how realistically do we solve this? No deal isn’t realistic when neither MP’s or folk would vote for that cliff edge.

We voted for leave, it should be deal or no deal everything else should be off the ballot. If we cant get a deal we should leave.

You are using the we voted leave, so that means leave & im going to use the argument of lies being told by leave and now we now we know what Brexit looks like argument.

I think both are valid to be fair.

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

Yep, I voted against the federal state of Europe or was that a lie also?

[kukushkin88]

There is no majority for TM’s deal
There is no majority for No Deal
There is no majority for a 2nd ref

So, likely to face an extension of A50. What on earth is that going to solve?

There simply is only one way out of this & that is a second vote, where it’s taken out of the politicians hands. Because simply we are never going to get a majority for anything, so therefore the 60m must vote on it, not the 650 who can’t mske a decision. Simply Deal v Remain.

Otherwise how realistically do we solve this? No deal isn’t realistic when neither MP’s or folk would vote for that cliff edge.

We voted for leave, it should be deal or no deal everything else should be off the ballot. If we cant get a deal we should leave.

You are using the we voted leave, so that means leave & im going to use the argument of lies being told by leave and now we now we know what Brexit looks like argument.

I think both are valid to be fair.

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

Yep, I voted against the federal state of Europe or was that a lie also?

It’s hard to work out how dumb you are (and Adz obv). What is the Federal State of Europe? You can’t invent things just to help you get angry.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hES7WlDLs8

[kukushkin88]

Poorly worded I guess, sorry. I still like the question. Although it’s flawed and floored by the fact that you don’t know the answer.

[aaron1867]

There is no majority for TM’s deal
There is no majority for No Deal
There is no majority for a 2nd ref

So, likely to face an extension of A50. What on earth is that going to solve?

There simply is only one way out of this & that is a second vote, where it’s taken out of the politicians hands. Because simply we are never going to get a majority for anything, so therefore the 60m must vote on it, not the 650 who can’t mske a decision. Simply Deal v Remain.

Otherwise how realistically do we solve this? No deal isn’t realistic when neither MP’s or folk would vote for that cliff edge.

We voted for leave, it should be deal or no deal everything else should be off the ballot. If we cant get a deal we should leave.

You are using the we voted leave, so that means leave & im going to use the argument of lies being told by leave and now we now we know what Brexit looks like argument.

I think both are valid to be fair.

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

I have never said everyone voted for Brexit because of the lies. But the vote is 52/48 and those that was fooled by it could have definitely made the difference.

But away from all of this, I have asked and asked it again, how do we realistically get past the impasse? Not what you or me wants to happen, but instead what is genuinely realistic? And yes, whilst I want a second vote, for many different reasons, I think the only realistic solution is that we go back to the polls with a ballot of deal v remain. Otherwise, how on earth are we actually going to leave?

[nirvana]

Put in simple terms the British public has decided to risk an economic hit, with those voting leave most at risk from rising unemployment, rather than accept current levels of immigration. This is going to end up in textbooks, and its only just beginning...incredible night

Put in more simple terms - David Cameron, the Tories and the people who voted for them have the led the country to precisely this point by holding a referendum in the first place. Don't blame the public

It's the Tory sneering class with their contempt for the rest of us that made this happen

Presumably the Tories have a plan since they determined we would have a referendum

The last sentence has aged well. OTOH, seems they did have a plan all along - Brexit is over

[nirvana]

the tabled equivalent of pissing into the wind....

Click to see full-size image.

The more I see of this overt continued campaigning - the more I believe that by whatever mechanism it takes, my electrician friend will be right with his 'we'll never be allowed to leave' - so obviously gonna come true dat - FACT

And so it's coming to pass

[MANTIS01]

After shifting my whole investment portfolio into Tinned Peaches Inc will be dev’d if the promised horrors don’t come to pass

[nirvana]

After shifting my whole investment portfolio into Tinned Peaches Inc will be dev’d if the promised horrors don’t come to pass

An actual true story happened chez moi the other day. A tin of peaches stood on a small work surface area near to our recycling bin. They were put there by my wife as they had passed their use by. Went straight to Co-op get a replacement.

[Pokerpops]

After shifting my whole investment portfolio into Tinned Peaches Inc will be dev’d if the promised horrors don’t come to pass

An actual true story happened chez moi the other day. A tin of peaches stood on a small work surface area near to our recycling bin. They were put there by my wife as they had passed their use by. Went straight to Co-op get a replacement.

That’s the true British Bulldog spirit right there

[Sheriff Fatman]

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

I think the fundamental problem with Theresa May's negotiations were that she bundled all the leave votes into a narrow class of what they 'meant' and drew up unrealistic red lines based upon them.

The fundamental flaw of the referendum was that no-one truly knows why anyone voted leave.  Split the leave vote into the various preferences that people actually had for what type of exit they prefer, and you probably replicate the same impasse that exists in Parliament, with Remain outweighing any of the options that any combination of Leave voters would deem as acceptable.  No deal/hard Brexit doesn't attract those wanting a single market with free movement of people, and the Labour-style option is equally unacceptable to those who don't recognise it as Brexit.

[BigAdz]

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

I think the fundamental problem with Theresa May's negotiations were that she bundled all the leave votes into a narrow class of what they 'meant' and drew up unrealistic red lines based upon them.

The fundamental flaw of the referendum was that no-one truly knows why anyone voted leave.  Split the leave vote into the various preferences that people actually had for what type of exit they prefer, and you probably replicate the same impasse that exists in Parliament, with Remain outweighing any of the options that any combination of Leave voters would deem as acceptable.  No deal/hard Brexit doesn't attract those wanting a single market with free movement of people, and the Labour-style option is equally unacceptable to those who don't recognise it as Brexit.

I know why I voted to leave.

1, obviously because I am dumb, as according to the bloke who used to be quite a wordsmith, now just name calls.

2, because I was sick of the rules we are governed by coming seemingly first hand from those people in Brussels.

3, I never once believed the Farage bus promises, but I wanted the UK to govern itself.

4 , I also expected better of our government in negotiating, rather than the plain cap in hand, May we leave, what are YOUR terms approach.

[Pokerpops]

You seem to think that everyone that voted to leave fell for lies.

I voted leave in spite of this.

Don't think you know why I voted.

I think the fundamental problem with Theresa May's negotiations were that she bundled all the leave votes into a narrow class of what they 'meant' and drew up unrealistic red lines based upon them.

The fundamental flaw of the referendum was that no-one truly knows why anyone voted leave.  Split the leave vote into the various preferences that people actually had for what type of exit they prefer, and you probably replicate the same impasse that exists in Parliament, with Remain outweighing any of the options that any combination of Leave voters would deem as acceptable.  No deal/hard Brexit doesn't attract those wanting a single market with free movement of people, and the Labour-style option is equally unacceptable to those who don't recognise it as Brexit.

I know why I voted to leave.

1, obviously because I am dumb, as according to the bloke who used to be quite a wordsmith, now just name calls.

2, because I was sick of the rules we are governed by coming seemingly first hand from those people in Brussels.

3, I never once believed the Farage bus promises, but I wanted the UK to govern itself.

4 , I also expected better of our government in negotiating, rather than the plain cap in hand, May we leave, what are YOUR terms approach.

For once, BigArz and I are in agreement.

Especially on #4.

However, the argument that Sherrif makes is compelling and goes a long way toward explaining the current situation. I don’t like the current deal, as I understand it, and if pressed would rather stay and fight for change from within than leave on the terms on offer.