The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[ripple11]

I really don’t want Boris or Hunt as PM but what are the other choices??

UK right now is simply not getting on board with any kind of collaboration or unity strategy...which is the only answer to Brexit. Totally bizarre really.

So whilst he isn’t my cup of tea I will back him all the way because the alternative is just drifting along in a divisive haze towards oblivion. No medicine or Mars bars and businesses imploding but haha Boris made a cardboard bus and we heard a woman scream haha. Just bizarre, especially from wizard thinking types.

Hand on heart, do you think he makes cardboard buses and paints happy passengers on them or do you think he tells lies?

Hilarious ....not sure it matters if its true to not 

[DropTheHammer]

If there was positive news about Brexit, I would post it. There isn't any, and rarely has been.

Surely the forecasted house price deflation is a plus? Well, for everyone apart from downsizers, of course (a small proportion of homeowners). With how difficult mortgages are to secure, a 10% reduction wouldn’t send many into negative equity.

[RickBFA]

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/104771/labour-mp-caroline-flint-says-she-would-vote-help-boris

Not sure this has been widely reported.

26 Labour MP’s looking to vote for a deal against leadership policy.

Crapping themselves about losing their seats in next election.

Perhaps if they had thought about this previously and all voted for May’s deal it would have had a significantly better chance of going through.

Hunt/Johnson really need some cross party support if they are going back to Parliament with a deal.

[TightEnd]

YouGov Poll in Times: 28% of public want no-deal Brexit while 43% want to revoke A50 and remain in EU.

Of course these figures flip dramatically when it comes to electing a new PM by the membership

Johnson/Hunt know what to say to win, but what about governing the country afterwards?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-leadership-race-boris-johnson-to-pull-britain-out-of-eu-do-or-die-593qkwdqq

[TightEnd]

Nick Robinson, BBCR4 today, wrote yesterday

"That new Boris Brexit plan in full :
* Leave "come what may" on 31/10
* Rip up deal EU spent 3 years negotiating
* Agree new deal giving us no tariffs & no backstop & them less money
* Hope Brussels, EU 27 & MPs find some "positive energy" & don't say "you've got to be kidding"

[TightEnd]

Cardboard buses aside, the talk radio interivew was interesting

Plan A, B and C to deliver Brexit on October 31
Plan A,  "a new withdrawal agreement without the backstop"
Plan B, “a Gatt 24 standstill transition”
Plan C, "get ready for WTO terms"

A and B have been repeatedly rejected by the EU,
C probably has no majority in the Commons.

Belief doesn't suddenly make the other side drop their red lines.

All options seem tricky!

[TightEnd]

Boris in 2013 said this

I saw this after "cardboard buses"

Made me think this might be what he is up to

[TightEnd]

Liam Fox published an article yesterday called "The Facts About GATT 24" which dismantles the claim that the UK could use it to keep tariffs at zero in a no-deal Brexit

“It is important that public debate on this topic is conducted on the basis of fact rather than supposition...”

[TightEnd]

What are the questions that could sink Boris Johnson? asks Robert Peston

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-24/what-are-the-questions-that-could-sink-boris-johnson-asks-robert-peston/

[TightEnd]

Jeremy Corbyn faces angry backlash after delaying decision on Brexit second referendum

At stormy shadow cabinet, witnesses said John McDonnell described the slow-moving policy as like watching a “slow motion car crash”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-faces-angry-backlash-17257677

[TightEnd]

"It's beginning to drive me up the wall."

Tory MP Ken Clarke says the Tory leadership contest has become "silly, slogan based and simplistic".

He says "silly" answers have been given on how to deliver Brexit - more here: http://po.st/CwZTKU

[TightEnd]

Theo Bertram was a political advisor/spin doctor for Blair and Brown

He writes

- Labour's political strategy is to wait. Watch the Tories pull themselves apart on Brexit & let Farage thrive. Block 'no deal' Brexit, force confidence vote & then a Gen Elex. Frame itself as the only viable obstacle to a catastrophic 'no deal' Brexit & 5 more years of Tories. I think that might be the luck it has found itself in (if you can call it that). Corbyn's been following a "brexit with post hoc results" policy. Support the UK leaving if at all policy, let the Conservatives wear the economic consequences electorally.

- In theory, Labour could do all that while sticking to a soft Brexit. Labour remainers would come back from the Libs because the alternative is 'no deal'. Labour leavers could still vote for a Labour Brexit & against Tories. Libs get squeezed, Farage splits Tories & Labour wins.

- But there are flaws with this political strategy.
1. A 'no deal' Brexit may not drive more Labour votes to the Libs but the other way round.
2. In the event of 'no deal' the split in the Tory support won't be on the right with Farage but in the centre next to the Libs.
3. Labour's framing - Tory no deal Vs Labour deal - won't work. Partly because it disappoints both leavers and remainers. Mostly because both Lib and Tories will fight the election as an existential battle between Remain and Leave, with Labour as irrelevant.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Maybe Boris' hobbies weren't as random as we thought, although this would mean that we'd have to credit him with next level strategic thinking.

https://twitter.com/BeffernieBlack/status/1143808921074843648

[Pokerpops]

Meantime, this...

https://twitter.com/jarvisdupont/status/1143215432440176641?s=21

[Doobs]

Meantime, this...

https://twitter.com/jarvisdupont/status/1143215432440176641?s=21

Brilliant, some of the replies are on point too.

https://twitter.com/benpobjie/status/1143499140959105024?s=20