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« Reply #19950 on: August 22, 2019, 04:59:25 PM »

I know everyone loves the Daily Mail.....

Emmanuel Macron says 'Oui!': French president backs Angela Merkel's plan to give Boris Johnson 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop - but suggests he doesn't think the UK WILL find a solution 

Pound has surged a smidge also.
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« Reply #19951 on: August 22, 2019, 05:11:57 PM »

I know everyone loves the Daily Mail.....

Emmanuel Macron says 'Oui!': French president backs Angela Merkel's plan to give Boris Johnson 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop - but suggests he doesn't think the UK WILL find a solution 

Pound has surged a smidge also.

Merkel has confirmed that people have completely the wrong idea about her “30 days”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-merkel-idUSKCN1VC1IB
(just the stuff in direct quotes is enough)
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« Reply #19952 on: August 22, 2019, 05:22:52 PM »

I know everyone loves the Daily Mail.....

Emmanuel Macron says 'Oui!': French president backs Angela Merkel's plan to give Boris Johnson 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop - but suggests he doesn't think the UK WILL find a solution 

Pound has surged a smidge also.

You can't surge a smidge, it's a contradiction in terms.
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« Reply #19953 on: August 22, 2019, 06:10:52 PM »


An important point:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49432821
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« Reply #19954 on: August 22, 2019, 07:13:38 PM »

I know everyone loves the Daily Mail.....

Emmanuel Macron says 'Oui!': French president backs Angela Merkel's plan to give Boris Johnson 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop - but suggests he doesn't think the UK WILL find a solution 

Pound has surged a smidge also.

Merkel has confirmed that people have completely the wrong idea about her “30 days”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-merkel-idUSKCN1VC1IB
(just the stuff in direct quotes is enough)

What ‘people’ have completely the wrong idea?

Boris is not meeting with the EU...

...but if he wants a deal a solution must be found within his self imposed deadline

tbf not certain what idea these ‘people’ have. But those are the obv FACTS.
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« Reply #19955 on: August 22, 2019, 07:25:07 PM »

On the subject of misrepresentation of the Bojo/Merkel press conference and the fact Merkel “gave Boris 30 days” etc

Just interesting to point out Merkel is not the EU negotiator. Speaking for the 27 probably not in her remit like and highlights the George Orwell all equals quote. If leader of minor member steps up with this rhetoric it’d be wtf??

This is the point though, Merkel didn’t suggest anything had changed at all (unless there’s a mistranslation). We can listen to every word:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BqxVl-KjZi4

Re: The previous Mantis post.

This:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers

Listen to the press conference, read the headlines. It’s clearly a problem.

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« Reply #19956 on: August 22, 2019, 07:59:20 PM »

Is it a problem?

He has 30 days to provide a solution.

Doesn’t matter what anybody says.
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« Reply #19957 on: August 22, 2019, 08:03:29 PM »

If we leave without a deal, what happens with the Irish border?
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« Reply #19958 on: August 22, 2019, 08:06:27 PM »

If we leave without a deal, what happens with the Irish border?

Potentially a hard border ie checkpoints, barriers, customs officials. This violates the GFA. Whilst Boris says he would not do it, the ROI probably would as part of the EU to protect the integrity of the single market.
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« Reply #19959 on: August 22, 2019, 08:08:08 PM »

If we leave without a deal, what happens with the Irish border?

Potentially a hard border ie checkpoints, barriers, customs officials. This violates the GFA. Whilst Boris says he would not do it, the ROI probably would as part of the EU to protect the integrity of the single market.

This is a good summary:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-47786455
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« Reply #19960 on: August 22, 2019, 08:09:28 PM »

Is it a problem?

He has 30 days to provide a solution.

Doesn’t matter what anybody says.

He doesn’t have 30 days though. I’m just not keen on the post truth world.
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« Reply #19961 on: August 22, 2019, 08:14:14 PM »

So who blinks first.. The EU, Bojo and Co,  or the rest of parliament.
2 out of 3 serious runners but can't pick.

no one blinks and its no deal by default?

otherwise

EU shouldn't blink, or not easy to blink without shafting Ireland
Parliament will try to block but its a shambles of competing interests and party biases.
Boris and co might blink. try to get a few concessions, stick some lipstick and a blonde wig on the WA and present it as a new deal?

I think the EU could blink but it probably shouldn't bother in the face of chummy bants - having gotten to this ludicrous point it probably is incumbent on the UK to propose solutions - otoh, Daniel Hannan put it quite well the other day - to paraphrase, something like ...EU says we have to sign up to various things (incl backstop) to avoid a hard border and if we don't they'll put in a hard border. It really is such nonsense and not much goodwill kicking around anywhere.

You'd think the shambles of blockers, 2nd reffers, etc had the most to give by giving up on their (un)principled objections to any kind of deal, desist from helping us towards no immediate deal, and vote through the provisionally agreed deal.

Don't think Bo and Co have any opportunity to bring back a deal, of their own volition, and get it through. Think they'd need very clear signals from 30 plus labour MPs that they would support it and that doesn't feel likely.

Having thought about it again maybe no-one blinks is a third serious contender.

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« Reply #19962 on: August 22, 2019, 08:19:11 PM »

If we leave without a deal, what happens with the Irish border?

Potentially a hard border ie checkpoints, barriers, customs officials. This violates the GFA. Whilst Boris says he would not do it, the ROI probably would as part of the EU to protect the integrity of the single market.

Would the rump of republican dissidents start bombing the EU/Irish erected checkpoints and killing the customs officials or would they be so deranged about the potential breeches of the integrity of the single market that they'd just bomb the people in the North who didn't put up a border.
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« Reply #19963 on: August 22, 2019, 08:30:33 PM »

I know everyone loves the Daily Mail.....

Emmanuel Macron says 'Oui!': French president backs Angela Merkel's plan to give Boris Johnson 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop - but suggests he doesn't think the UK WILL find a solution 

Pound has surged a smidge also.

You can't surge a smidge, it's a contradiction in terms.

You can in currency markets!
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« Reply #19964 on: August 23, 2019, 08:41:05 AM »


Good morning,

Seems to now be some sanity on the phantom 30 day deadline:

https://www.ft.com/content/1758aee0-c4e7-11e9-a8e9-296ca66511c9

It doesn’t exist, no matter how much Boris and The Telegraph want it to.

Cliffs: The backstop stays until the border problem is resolved, it might take 2 years, it might take 3 years, it might take 30 days, it might take until Oct 31st 2019.



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