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[BigAdz]

Excoriating column from the brilliant Marina Hyde

Stirring up civil unrest will lead ti....


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/27/tories-dominic-cummings-people-v-parliament-election?CMP=share_btn_tw

Not sure why she is so brilliant? Is it the use of words you haven't heard for a while? Is it slipping in "wank" that makes her so highbrow? Strikes me as someone in her element sat at a dinner party holding court telling everyone how wonderful the wine is. Soooo much better than the south side of the vineyard, type.

Read this and not even sure what her point is, or if its even true. It's not the Tories whipping up mobs. Have you watched any of Parliament this week? Its the opposition partys that are acting like rabid dogs, with vitriol, spit flying everywhere and twisted contorted faces trying to show a level of anger their words are incapable of justifying.

[Woodsey]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

[TightEnd]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

[TightEnd]

Excoriating column from the brilliant Marina Hyde

Stirring up civil unrest will lead ti....


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/27/tories-dominic-cummings-people-v-parliament-election?CMP=share_btn_tw

Not sure why she is so brilliant? Is it the use of words you haven't heard for a while? Is it slipping in "wank" that makes her so highbrow? Strikes me as someone in her element sat at a dinner party holding court telling everyone how wonderful the wine is. Soooo much better than the south side of the vineyard, type.

Read this and not even sure what her point is, or if its even true. It's not the Tories whipping up mobs. Have you watched any of Parliament this week? Its the opposition partys that are acting like rabid dogs, with vitriol, spit flying everywhere and twisted contorted faces trying to show a level of anger their words are incapable of justifying.

She is an award winning and consistently brilliant writer. Not just my opinion, but one that is widely held I would contend

[TightEnd]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

link to a video of his comments https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1177907522054828032?s=20

He never oversteps the mark.

[Woodsey]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

No because he’s done nothing wrong and some people are basically being mischievous by reporting it. Was stabbing civil servants your first thought when you saw it? If you say yes your going to get laughed at harder....

[TightEnd]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

No because he’s done nothing wrong and some people are basically being mischievous by reporting it. Was stabbing civil servants your first thought when you saw it? If you say yes your going to get laughed at harder....

If I am getting laughed at by you, Its a sure sign I am on the right lines.

A very odd person indeed. Really strange views you have.

[Jon MW]

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Can't really spin no deal as a positive economically I am afraid. One of the reasons why most people* are so desperate to avoid it

* unless they are disaster capitalists, or very keen to leave before new EU taxation laws in January hurt them personally

Am I missing something about the new EU taxation laws?

Because I've read them and they very much seem targeted at multinational companies with multiple centre's of operation - which doesn't really seem to fit in with the type of business arrangements that many high profile Brexiteers have.

i.e. they seem like they're trying to cut down on Starbucks and Apple avoiding tax rather than Hedge Funds and individuals - but tax is a pretty complex issue so happy to know if anyone has a more in depth view on where this theory comes from.

I am happy if you show me I am mistaken, but my understanding is the ATAD (Anti Tax Avoidance Directive) coming in from Jan 2020 closes off tax avoidance schemes for those in all member countries whether they be personal or corporate. I also think I read that it gets into the area of trusts too.

From the EU (but I added the bold to highlight)
"The 'anti tax avoidance package' is a set of EU legislative and non-legislative initiatives, aiming to strengthen rules against corporate tax avoidance and to make corporate taxation in the EU fairer, simpler and more effective.

...
The aims of the package:

to prevent aggressive tax planning
to increase transparency
to create fairer environment for businesses in the EU"

The text of the regulations is what I had read before but I think this statement of it's aims is pretty clear.

There is a bit which could tighten up general tax avoidance a bit - but even that's doubtful.

The most likely part of the regulation that could effect prominent Brexiteers is a general anti-avoidance measure concept - but that is not defined in the regulations themselves, it's up to member states to implement their own ideas - i.e. if we stayed in the EU those groups could just use their influence to lobby for how the UK government implemented it and given the whole idea does seem to be against companies like Amazon and Apple that doesn't seem like it would be difficult to do.

[Woodsey]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

No because he’s done nothing wrong and some people are basically being mischievous by reporting it. Was stabbing civil servants your first thought when you saw it? If you say yes your going to get laughed at harder....

If I am getting laughed at by you, Its a sure sign I am on the right lines.

A very odd person indeed. Really strange views you have.

So you do think he is encouraging people to stab civil servants then? If you really think so then it’s you that is odd. The Sunday sport sensationalist reference doesn’t sound too far off in this case.

[nirvana]

Excoriating column from the brilliant Marina Hyde

Stirring up civil unrest will lead ti....


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/27/tories-dominic-cummings-people-v-parliament-election?CMP=share_btn_tw

Not sure why she is so brilliant? Is it the use of words you haven't heard for a while? Is it slipping in "wank" that makes her so highbrow? Strikes me as someone in her element sat at a dinner party holding court telling everyone how wonderful the wine is. Soooo much better than the south side of the vineyard, type.

Read this and not even sure what her point is, or if its even true. It's not the Tories whipping up mobs. Have you watched any of Parliament this week? Its the opposition partys that are acting like rabid dogs, with vitriol, spit flying everywhere and twisted contorted faces trying to show a level of anger their words are incapable of justifying.

Nicely written second paragraph and pretty accurate imo.

[BigAdz]

Nigel Farage never oversteps the mark

Police investigate Farage vow to 'take knife to civil servants'

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-nigel-farage-vow-to-take-knife-to-pen-pushers-11821630

 

Yes you do deserve laughing at for posting that nonsense.

why?

Why is it nonsense? Because you don't agree with it?

I have linked to news, that he is being investigated by police for his comments

No because he’s done nothing wrong and some people are basically being mischievous by reporting it. Was stabbing civil servants your first thought when you saw it? If you say yes your going to get laughed at harder....

If I am getting laughed at by you, Its a sure sign I am on the right lines.

A very odd person indeed. Really strange views you have.

So you do think he is encouraging people to stab civil servants then? If you really think so then it’s you that is odd. The Sunday sport sensationalist reference doesn’t sound too far off in this case.

In a video, Mr Farage says: "And when the president of the port of Calais and the boss of the port of Dover tell you they're 100% ready for Brexit in whatever form it comes, I suggest we listen to them and not the overpaid pen pushers in Whitehall who are not doing an neutral job.

"And once Brexit's done, we'll take the knife to them. Alright? Had enough of all of it. Had enough of all of it."


I gave Tighty some credit for being worldly wise and well educated, but if he has never heard the highlighted phrase in this context and really thought it meant actual physical violence, then I must be mistaken......either that or he is just causing a stir.

[Doobs]

Breaking

The Greater London Authority has referred Prime Minister Boris Johnson to the Independent Office for Police Conduct for  a possible investigation into whether he committed misconduct in a public office in connection to his friendship with American businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri.

Have you looked her up, she comes across like him; all bullshit, no sustance.

Here are her companies

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/3BeQkJuV6DnuXTZfRDaXFMqaI1Y/appointments

Analyse the comany's accounts.

Here she talks about what playbox does.  #Invalid YouTube Link#  Given that the company didn't seem to spend any money, and was shut down rapidlly, then it is probably safe to assume it was just hot air.

Innotech seemed to fair better  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrnAvaaWwyQ9iksLPM_0ZuQ.  But wtf was Boris doing rocking up to so many of her presentations?

But look at the balance sheet in the 2018 accounts

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08424712/filing-history

Note they had to restate their accounts in 2017.  Seems they owed £360,000 at the time and not £180,000.  

finally Hacker House

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09678695/filing-history

Look at what happened between 2017 and 2018.  That is some related party transaction in the 2018 accounts.  What do you make of that?  Lending a barely functioning company £700k seems an odd thig to do?      

Nothing to see here.  

Hot off the press...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-loan-hacker-house-grant


New revelation about Hacker House entrepreneur as prime minister heads to Tory conference

Jennifer Arcuri, the entrepreneur whose friendship with Boris Johnson is the subject of a police watchdog investigation, loaned more than £700,000 to her own fledgling technology company shortly before it won a £100,000 government grant.

One person who knew Arcuri was “stunned” to learn that company accounts show her loaning Hacker House £713,354 last year. Other firms set up by Arcuri are in the red or have been dissolved. Her main company, Innotech Network, has negative assets of more than £350,000...

All pretty standard for these tech companies no?

Raise investment, blow investment, see what happens?

Hopefully 1 out of 20 companies work?

Not saying it's the right way to do it, but it seems to be the way a lot do it these days.

Hacker House isn't a tech company.  It is a training company that has a crappy website, has run a handful of having courses in its lifetime.  Look at their website; read their twitter.  Watch her videos and tell me she seems knowledgeable.   She flat out admits she knows f all amd was creating an artificial buzz using Johnson in that video imterview I linked to.

It suppposedly ran from a residential house that Acuri left over a year ago up until a few days ago.  Now it runs from a Regus virtual office.

Explain to me what is standard about a founder loaning £700,000 to a company that barely operates, has done f all last year.  Where does she get 700k from if she hasn't paid a cent on a student loan and us been taken to court.   There is nothing normal about it.

 I have been reading accounts for investments for 30 years or so.  I can't ever recall a mistake in the accounts like Innotech made, given that barely did anything either.

Edit.  I'll just add that they clearly hadn't spent the 700k in the last accounts, it just appeared there, and she had already left for the States when the accounts were published.

[BigAdz]

So Doobs, you have presented your case. What do you want to happen next?

[nirvana]

This amused me

https://twitter.com/Jackal854/status/1177596262318858240

[TightEnd]

From Robbie Gibb's article in the Mail

posted yesterday