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the sunday times comments

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there is some really interesting stuff in the you gov tables

YouGov had 45% of their 18-24s saying they were certain to vote last week

This week they have 57% of 18-24 year olds saying they are certain to vote

And there's also been a flip amongst 25 to 49 year olds. Last week they had Tories up 7 amongst 25-49 yr olds. This week they have Labour up 8 amongst 25 to 49 year olds.

the over 55s? Con up another 5 points

[TightEnd]

bit more of this stuff about

"Corbyn and McDonnell may not have wanted the IRA to kill, but they wanted them to win, says Stephen Daisley:"

"The Labour Party knew what Corbyn was, and they made him leader. Now the country knows"

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/

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How workable – and how expensive – might Labour’s renationalisations be?

( which helped me understand)

John McDonnell says taking water, energy and rail back into public ownership is a step forward, not back. But questions remain over costs and long-term benefits


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-renationalisation-rail-water-energy-cost-benefits?CMP=twt_gu

[TightEnd]

another good article

"Theresa May has blundered into scaring pensioners over social care:"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-has-blundered-into-scaring-pensioners-over-social-care-a7746516.html

[The Camel]

the sunday times comments

Rich old people want average and low income young people to pay for their care.

Seems fair.

[TightEnd]

the sunday times comments

Rich old people want average and low income young people to pay for their care.

Seems fair.

So you must support that element of the Conservative manifesto then?

[nirvana]

the sunday times comments

Rich old people want average and low income young people to pay for their care.

Seems fair.

If Labour benefits from any bounce it will be from these rich old people - you should be wooing them, as Labour really must, rather than mocking them.

For the most part, people who own their houses have worked hard to do that. If they've earned good salaries then they've paid massive slices of tax in their lives to pay for people of all ages to receive their slice of the services government provides.

Your antipathy towards old people or rich people or both is unpleasant and I feel like I need to give you a stern talking to. I am both old and comfortable and happy to continue to pay more than average to pay for the services that our people benefit from, as well as being a lucky recipient of my fair share of NHS spending.

 You're very lucky to be in a profession where you pay no income tax - it grates when you major on other people not really relishing paying more tax, who does ? You lack balance in your views in a really lacking balance kind of way.

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Why Theresa May will eventually regret calling this election

http://politicalgambler.com/theresa-may-will-eventually-regret-calling-election/

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Analysis by LabourUncut of canvass returns suggests Labour to lose 91 seats, incl Watson, Skinner

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/05/20/new-poll-analysis-watson-skinner-and-flint-facing-defeat-cooper-miliband-reeves-and-rayner-on-the-edge/

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"No", says Corbyn when asked if he will unequivocally condemn the IRA on Ridge

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i think this is true...(discuss...)

 Iain Martin‏Verified account

"Brits have v strong, and confused, attitudes on inheritance. Tory foray on this territory during an election is very, er, bold"

very bold = vote loser

[Woodsey]

i think this is true...(discuss...)

 Iain Martin‏Verified account

"Brits have v strong, and confused, attitudes on inheritance. Tory foray on this territory during an election is very, er, bold"

very bold = vote loser

It is a vote loser, but they can get away with it this time around.

[AndrewT]

i think this is true...(discuss...)

 Iain Martin‏Verified account

"Brits have v strong, and confused, attitudes on inheritance. Tory foray on this territory during an election is very, er, bold"

very bold = vote loser

'Might I say that seems like a very bold decision Prime Minister'

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“I can’t help the people I’m desperate to help... just because I stacked up a load of votes in Islington North.”

clear in the mind of the excellent Jess Phillips MP that success in this election is seats and not increased vote share for Labour

that is going to be quite a fight post election if Corbyn gets say 34-35%,more than 2015, but the mix of votes/ukip collapse etc produces less seats