The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[DaveShoelace]

Can I break the thread by pointing out who else was really good at making speeches?

not if we are going to invoke Godwin's law again

not two days in a row

Let him break it if he wants you flippin nazi

[TightEnd]

its cheap, but it made me laugh

spot the difference

[AlunB]

[AndrewT]

The big names are already starting to leave Labour and defect to other parties.

[DungBeetle]

Does Collymore realise the SNP don't field candidates in his country?

[RickBFA]

Does Collymore realise the SNP don't field candidates in his country?

  Never struck me as the sharpest tool in the box

[DaveShoelace]

Given he never stayed at a club for more than eight months without fucking off, I can only assume he has already left the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP, Greens etc

[AndrewT]

The speech that image comes from - sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree.

Again, Jeremy Corbyn sits on the right shoulder

[rfgqqabc]

I'm not in the situation to listen to the speeches. Can anyone give me a very simple list if pros for bombing. So many of our allies are already, I'm not sure we add anything. I don't understand why Boko Haram is being ignored by everyone. It's going to be hard to defeat a multinational organisation by bombing one country. Is it just that the public feels like something should be done now? I thought the public had quite an anti war rhetoric, have the recent attacks changed that?

[kukushkin88]

The speech that image comes from - sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree.

Again, Jeremy Corbyn sits on the right shoulder

I presume this is misleading by accident? Tony and Hilary Benn have almost identical politics. They are speaking about different wars with different UN mandates.

[Doobs]

The speech that image comes from - sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree.

Again, Jeremy Corbyn sits on the right shoulder

I presume this is misleading by accident? Tony and Hilary Benn have almost identical politics. They are speaking about different wars with different UN mandates.

It is probably deliberate, but Tony died last year, so suspect it wasn't internded to be misleading.  Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn are cut from the same cloth politically, but Hilary is very much a Blairite.

[Doobs]

I'm not in the situation to listen to the speeches. Can anyone give me a very simple list if pros for bombing. So many of our allies are already, I'm not sure we add anything. I don't understand why Boko Haram is being ignored by everyone. It's going to be hard to defeat a multinational organisation by bombing one country. Is it just that the public feels like something should be done now? I thought the public had quite an anti war rhetoric, have the recent attacks changed that?

Boko Haram haven't been ignored, we have already intervened, boots on the ground no less: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11306242/British-troops-to-help-fight-against-Boko-Haram-as-SAS-target-Isil.html.  Pretty sure they are still there.  As are the yanks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34533820 . 

After a shambolic few years, the Nigerian army and the multinational force seem to be improving http://www.cbsnews.com/news/multinational-force-frees-900-hostages-held-by-boko-haram/

But the reality is that the Civil War in Syria is more damaging in size (quarter million deaths already), produces more refugees near our shores and has the most potential to drag the whole region in.  ISIL are also a bigger threat to us than Boko Haram.  I guess it is easier to bomb Syria as it isn't far from Cyprus.  No idea who's air bases we will have to use uf we started bombing Nigeria. 

Whatever you read on twitter, Nigeria produces much more oil, albeit in the part of Nigeria away from where Boko Haram are active.

FWIW We were already bombing one country, Syria was the second one. 

[kukushkin88]

I fancy this bloke. A lot, like a lot a lot.


https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/jacob-appelbaum/more-not-less-democracy


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Time for this again.

also , Looks like the "terrorist sympathiser's" comment went well in Oldham. A Prime Minister openly revealing to all of us he's a despicable * to influence a by-election, whilst talking about a war, YBA. Happy to speak about this at great length should anyone have an interest, JC had class and our democracy disagreed with his view. Cameron disgraced his office and our country,

[StuartHopkin]

Really any need to use the c word in there?

[TightEnd]

Really any need to use the c word in there?

no need at all. i don't want to delete the post, so am going to settle for editing it out

please, lets cut out the unneccesary language however strongly we feel about an issue