The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

Newsnight just now, John Ashworth quote 'When labour get into power........' 

[Rexas]

Surely this is a total disaster because it would leave us with essentially one party that's going to actually win?

[Woodsey]

Surely this is a total disaster because it would leave us with essentially one party that's going to actually win?

Depends what side your on I guess, but I take your point.

[TightEnd]

Liam Fox speech hints at government confusion over Brexit (you don't say...)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/27/liam-fox-speech-hints-at-government-confusion-over-brexit?CMP=twt_gu

[TightEnd]

somebody has been having fun

this is on amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Five-Brexit-Island-Blyton-Grown/dp/178648384X

[RickBFA]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

[Woodsey]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

He can promise whatever he wants it doesn't really matter, he won't ever have to worry about having to implement it.

[Doobs]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

He can promise whatever he wants it doesn't really matter, he won't ever have to worry about having to implement it.

People used to say the same about the promises made by Vince Cable and the other Lib Dems.  Their promises certainly came back and bit their arse.

[TightEnd]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

its an odd position to take. He comes from the metropolitian left, which isn't that concerned about migration. after all in islington etc its a part of every day life living in a cosmopolitan multinational city

however in a labour heartland, where it is said there is a distrust of metropolitan luvvies*, and people are affected by globalisation and migration, then surely this position plays far worse (and into ukip's hands?)

* the apochrypal story was Mandelson being selected to fight Hartlepool, canvassing in a chippie, being presented with a plate of mushy peas/chips and saying "ooh thats nice, guacamole on my chips"

[Doobs]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

its an odd position to take. He comes from the metropolitian left, which isn't that concerned about migration. after all in islington etc its a part of every day life living in a cosmopolitan multinational city

however in a labour heartland, where it is said there is a distrust of metropolitan luvvies*, and people are affected by globalisation and migration, then surely this position plays far worse (and into ukip's hands?)

* the apochrypal story was Mandelson being selected to fight Hartlepool, canvassing in a chippie, being presented with a plate of mushy peas/chips and saying "ooh thats nice, guacamole on my chips"

Surely you can't accidently order mushy peas in a chippy? 

[TightEnd]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

its an odd position to take. He comes from the metropolitian left, which isn't that concerned about migration. after all in islington etc its a part of every day life living in a cosmopolitan multinational city

however in a labour heartland, where it is said there is a distrust of metropolitan luvvies*, and people are affected by globalisation and migration, then surely this position plays far worse (and into ukip's hands?)

* the apochrypal story was Mandelson being selected to fight Hartlepool, canvassing in a chippie, being presented with a plate of mushy peas/chips and saying "ooh thats nice, guacamole on my chips"

Surely you can't accidently order mushy peas in a chippy? 

he didn't

the story goes that the propreitor said "would you like to try some of our food?"

prospective candidate has to say yes

and so it went....

[Doobs]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

its an odd position to take. He comes from the metropolitian left, which isn't that concerned about migration. after all in islington etc its a part of every day life living in a cosmopolitan multinational city

however in a labour heartland, where it is said there is a distrust of metropolitan luvvies*, and people are affected by globalisation and migration, then surely this position plays far worse (and into ukip's hands?)

* the apochrypal story was Mandelson being selected to fight Hartlepool, canvassing in a chippie, being presented with a plate of mushy peas/chips and saying "ooh thats nice, guacamole on my chips"

Surely you can't accidently order mushy peas in a chippy? 

he didn't

the story goes that the propreitor said "would you like to try some of our food?"

prospective candidate has to say yes

and so it went....

Ah ok.  Surely chip shop man knows mushy peas are like marmite.  I like them, but would be pretty irritated if somebody put curry, beans or gravy on a plate with a piece of fish. 

"I'd like guacomole with my fish" said nobody ever.  Why would he even think it was guacamole? 

[Doobs]

Just listened to Jeremy Corbyn's interview on migration. He doesn't seem too worried about numbers or restricting migration and thinks his migration fund will help alleviate issues and concerns.

Not sure that position is going to play very well with core Labour voters in large cities outside London.

its an odd position to take. He comes from the metropolitian left, which isn't that concerned about migration. after all in islington etc its a part of every day life living in a cosmopolitan multinational city

however in a labour heartland, where it is said there is a distrust of metropolitan luvvies*, and people are affected by globalisation and migration, then surely this position plays far worse (and into ukip's hands?)

* the apochrypal story was Mandelson being selected to fight Hartlepool, canvassing in a chippie, being presented with a plate of mushy peas/chips and saying "ooh thats nice, guacamole on my chips"

Surely you can't accidently order mushy peas in a chippy? 

he didn't

the story goes that the propreitor said "would you like to try some of our food?"

prospective candidate has to say yes

and so it went....

Ah ok.  Surely chip shop man knows mushy peas are like marmite.  I like them, but would be pretty irritated if somebody put curry, beans or gravy on a plate with a piece of fish. 

"I'd like guacomole with my fish" said nobody ever.  Why would he even think it was guacamole? 

From the snopes message board

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=101;t=000327

leads you here

http://deadmenleft.blogspot.co.uk/2004/08/avocado-related-conspiracy-theories.html

Might be nonsense too, but it has a source

Just as you thought it was cleared up here

Working from a disused office in what had been the industrial quarter of Kirby before recession had reduced it to a brick-strewn wasteland, thier only source of food was a chippie nearby in a small row of shops where the shutters stayed up all day as a precaution against vandals... it was so very different from the home life of Shelley Keeling, daughter of a wealthy East Coast American businessman, who was completing her studies by spending a year working in the parliamentary office of Jack Straw, who was in Knowsley North as the candidate's political advisor. One day, a party researcher named Julian Eccles.. invited her to the chippie to taste the local fare. Sunk into the counter was a large metal dish containing something green and viscous. 'That looks delicious; is it avocado?' she enquired. It was mushy peas.

it goes on to say

The mushy peas make one more mysterious appearance, however. Peter Mandelson was for a time employed by the Labour Party as director of communications. He was responsible, amongst other things, for introducing the red rose symbol for the Party as a replacement for the red flag. On his departure from that post in 1990, Neil Kinnock, then Labour leader, gave a short, well-wishing speech to thank Mandelson, in which he recounted the story of the mushy peas and claimed Mandelson was the mistaken apparatchik involved. Kinnock appeared to be basing his story - not at this point generally connected to Mandelson - on an account printed in The People's political column a month before. The columnist had retold the tale, placing the peas in Hartlepool with Mandelson - whilst denying that this had ever occurred, of course, but keeping the rumour alive nontheless. The columnist's name? Peter Mandelson.

Quite fancy some fish and chips and mushy peas right now.  Hold the guacomole

[TightEnd]

Jeremy Corbyn: 'Socialism of the 21st century' can lead Labour to power - http://bit.ly/2dtl55R

[TightEnd]

Labour's permanent civil war

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-s-closing-conference-speech-was-his-effort-yet-but-his-critics-won-t-be-listening-a7335631.html