The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[doubleup]

an irony

Supreme Court will likely have to consult with ECJ over whether A50 is irrevocable

https://polcms.secure.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/upload/303548f7-ed4b-4a35-bfb8-efa4c183ff76/AFCO%20Brexit%20Memorandum%2008-11-16%20(Andrew%20Duff).pdf

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Can they do that?  I thought that appeals could only be on points of law at issue in the original case or new evidence (in some circumstances)? 

[TightEnd]

Hillary Clinton's defeat will intensify the centre-left's civil war

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/hillary-clintons-defeat-will-intensify-centre-lefts-civil-war

[TightEnd]

Before Donald Trump’s triumph, a presidential victory for Marine Le Pen seemed absurd. Not any more

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21709916-it-remains-improbable-it-would-be-unwise-rule-it-out-does-donald-trumps-victory-presage?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/doesdonaldtrumpsvictorypresageawinformarinelepen

[TightEnd]

now this is a really good piece

History tells us what may happen next with Brexit & Trump

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.g61p1s36q

[TightEnd]

Both the Brexit vote and the US election represent the electorate defying elites, a lesson for Europe in 2017

http://country.eiu.com/article.aspx?articleid=1914797175&Country=United%20Kingdom&topic=Politics&subtopic=Forecast&subsubtopic=Political+outlook

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[TightEnd]

tackling Brexit = Trump in the times

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[DMorgan]

Get me a bucket

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-donald-trump-groping-theresa-may-sexual-assault-trade-deal-schmooze-a7409136.html

[The Camel]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to promise to completely halt immigration too though.

[DaveShoelace]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to completely halt immigration too though.

He would bankrupt the country either way, but less so if he halted immigration under that plan. However, while the Labour base would be happy with that, the Corbynistas would be against the immigration halting, which would lose him his mandate and get him ousted. Not that he ever would halt it anyway.

[TightEnd]

there is an article on labourlist today on this sort of stuff

ie populism doesn't lead to an increase in votes for the left, the working class left are seduced by hard right...post Trump etc

so got to find another way to appeal

http://labourlist.org/2016/11/luke-akehurst-clintons-fate-shows-labour-the-danger-of-ignoring-white-working-class-voters/

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[The Camel]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to completely halt immigration too though.

He would bankrupt the country either way, but less so if he halted immigration under that plan. However, while the Labour base would be happy with that, the Corbynistas would be against the immigration halting, which would lose him his mandate and get him ousted. Not that he ever would halt it anyway.

The thing which Brexit vote proved is that most people don't give two hoots about the economy.

What difference to them if FTSE collapses or the pound falls through the floor?

Yet give someone the chance who has only ever lived in rented accomodation the chance to own their own flat or house and you have a supporter for life.

Sort of like Thatcher did when she sold off all the council houses.

[TightEnd]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to completely halt immigration too though.

He would bankrupt the country either way, but less so if he halted immigration under that plan. However, while the Labour base would be happy with that, the Corbynistas would be against the immigration halting, which would lose him his mandate and get him ousted. Not that he ever would halt it anyway.

The thing which Brexit vote proved is that most people don't give two hoots about the economy.

What difference to them if FTSE collapses or the pound falls through the floor?

Yet give someone the chance who has only ever lived in rented accomodation the chance to own their own flat or house and you have a supporter for life.

Sort of like Thatcher did when she sold off all the council houses.

they'd give two hoots if inflation roared away (the deficit would go even more bananas than it has been since the 2008 crash) while wages didn't increase to match and their purchasing power eroded massively

this happened under Wilson and Callaghan labour goverments, not under Blair

i understand the plan would be to raise the money from corporations, rich individuals etc and transfer to other sectors of society but the tex avoidance industry is too smart to allow collection of all the money you think should be raised. corporates will move offshore etc

[DaveShoelace]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to completely halt immigration too though.

He would bankrupt the country either way, but less so if he halted immigration under that plan. However, while the Labour base would be happy with that, the Corbynistas would be against the immigration halting, which would lose him his mandate and get him ousted. Not that he ever would halt it anyway.

The thing which Brexit vote proved is that most people don't give two hoots about the economy.

What difference to them if FTSE collapses or the pound falls through the floor?

Yet give someone the chance who has only ever lived in rented accomodation the chance to own their own flat or house and you have a supporter for life.

Sort of like Thatcher did when she sold off all the council houses.

Jury's still out on the economy of course, but think you are on to something with owning houses and Thatcher etc, lot of hopelessness in young folk these days based around that (lots of em living with parents till their 30s).

Course I hope it doesn't happen because 18 months on we will all be homeless roasting rats of campfires in that 'give everyone free shit' Corbyn Utopia.

[The Camel]

there is an article on labourlist today on this sort of stuff

ie populism doesn't lead to an increase in votes for the left, the working class left are seduced by hard right...post Trump etc

so got to find another way to appeal

http://labourlist.org/2016/11/luke-akehurst-clintons-fate-shows-labour-the-danger-of-ignoring-white-working-class-voters/

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Yep, agree with all of that.

Labour are a million to win the next election unless they become as radical to the left as their opposition on the right have become.

No harm in trying it at least. They cannot win on the path they are going.

Doubt Corbyn is the man to do it though, need someone with charisma, passion and drive. Not a man who looks like a frightened rabbit in the headlights.

[The Camel]

In order to have any chance in the next election I think Corbyn needs to go very hard left.

Promise to raise benefits, scrap university fees + bringing back full student grants, build 100s of thousands of cheap new homes, increase minimum wage, massively increase tax on multinational corporations, re-introduce super tax, renationalise the country's utilities.

Basically take from the rich and give to the poor.

He has zero shot the way he's going, so he might as well go down all guns blazing with a far left manifesto, which might just fire up the people who don't bother to vote right now.

Probably would need to completely halt immigration too though.

He would bankrupt the country either way, but less so if he halted immigration under that plan. However, while the Labour base would be happy with that, the Corbynistas would be against the immigration halting, which would lose him his mandate and get him ousted. Not that he ever would halt it anyway.

The thing which Brexit vote proved is that most people don't give two hoots about the economy.

What difference to them if FTSE collapses or the pound falls through the floor?

Yet give someone the chance who has only ever lived in rented accomodation the chance to own their own flat or house and you have a supporter for life.

Sort of like Thatcher did when she sold off all the council houses.

they'd give two hoots if inflation roared away (the deficit would go even more bananas than it has been since the 2008 crash) while wages didn't increase to match and their purchasing power eroded massively

this happened under Wilson and Callaghan labour goverments, not under Blair

i understand the plan would be to raise the money from corporations, rich individuals etc and transfer to other sectors of society but the tex avoidance industry is too smart to allow collection of all the money you think should be raised. corporates will move offshore etc

Increase inheritance tax too.