The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

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[Marky147]

5

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5 more than I'd have known a few years ago

[Longines]

Didn't recognise Wallace Kinnock, Starmer, Lewis, Alexander, Jarvis, Long Bailey, Nandy.

[Doobs]

What price Corbyn takes credit for Stoke/blames Blair for Copeland?   Any 1.01 about?

[Woodsey]

Hilary Benn just walked past me at Dublin Airport 

[ripple11]

Hilary Benn just walked past me at Dublin Airport 

Obviously got his post brexit Irish passport already.

[PokerBroker]

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[TightEnd]

Tories in historic by-election Copeland win as Labour holds Stoke

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39064149

the swing to the Tories in Copeland was bigger than what the national polls are currently suggesting,which is a bit of a jaw dropper

[Doobs]

What price Corbyn takes credit for Stoke/blames Blair for Copeland?   Any 1.01 about?

weighed in. 

I have read this morning that those that oppose Corbyn are the "Far right" of the labour party.  THE. FAR. RIGHT.  I'd struggle to keep a straight face if I described Farage or Trump as far right ffs(though Bannon is much easier).


I don't think it matters why Corbyn is disliked by the vast majority, whether it is the fault of the press, the plotters, or his own doing.  Surely all that matters that he is very unpopular?  Anything else is just missing the point.  Though given the recent names mentioned as alternative leaders, then I am not sure there is much hope regardless.   

On Tighty's picture, I'd recognise all bar two, glad they had the names underneath though.  Otherwise I'd have to resort to things like isn't that the one who is supposedly a contender for the leadership if Corbyn steps down.  I have always been pretty shit with putting names and faces together and am getting no better. 

[AndrewT]

Labour actually got a higher % of the vote in Copeland than they did in Stoke - the only reason they won Stoke was because the Con/UKIP vote was split.

If UKIP do fade now under the clown-leadership of Nuttall then Labour could get proper crushed in all kinds of unlikely places.

[Doobs]

Labour actually got a higher % of the vote in Copeland than they did in Stoke - the only reason they won Stoke was because the Con/UKIP vote was split.

If UKIP do fade now under the clown-leadership of Nuttall then Labour could get proper crushed in all kinds of unlikely places.

like Scotland? 

[Woodsey]

Would prefer not to see Labour smashed too hard, certainly not to the point where replacing JC becomes a reality before the next election  

[The Camel]

What price Corbyn takes credit for Stoke/blames Blair for Copeland?   Any 1.01 about?

weighed in. 

I have read this morning that those that oppose Corbyn are the "Far right" of the labour party.  THE. FAR. RIGHT.  I'd struggle to keep a straight face if I described Farage or Trump as far right ffs(though Bannon is much easier).


I don't think it matters why Corbyn is disliked by the vast majority, whether it is the fault of the press, the plotters, or his own doing.  Surely all that matters that he is very unpopular?  Anything else is just missing the point.  Though given the recent names mentioned as alternative leaders, then I am not sure there is much hope regardless.   

On Tighty's picture, I'd recognise all bar two, glad they had the names underneath though.  Otherwise I'd have to resort to things like isn't that the one who is supposedly a contender for the leadership if Corbyn steps down.  I have always been pretty shit with putting names and faces together and am getting no better. 

I agree with many/most of Corbyn's policies (outside Brexit obv), but he might be the most unself aware person in the country if he honestly thinks the public don't see him as a laughing stock.

He has to go.

[AndrewT]

What price Corbyn takes credit for Stoke/blames Blair for Copeland?   Any 1.01 about?

weighed in. 

I have read this morning that those that oppose Corbyn are the "Far right" of the labour party.  THE. FAR. RIGHT.  I'd struggle to keep a straight face if I described Farage or Trump as far right ffs(though Bannon is much easier).


I don't think it matters why Corbyn is disliked by the vast majority, whether it is the fault of the press, the plotters, or his own doing.  Surely all that matters that he is very unpopular?  Anything else is just missing the point.  Though given the recent names mentioned as alternative leaders, then I am not sure there is much hope regardless.   

On Tighty's picture, I'd recognise all bar two, glad they had the names underneath though.  Otherwise I'd have to resort to things like isn't that the one who is supposedly a contender for the leadership if Corbyn steps down.  I have always been pretty shit with putting names and faces together and am getting no better. 

I agree with many/most of Corbyn's policies (outside Brexit obv), but he might be the most unself aware person in the country if he honestly thinks the public don't see him as a laughing stock.

He has to go.

The Momentum lot have so many parallels with Trump and his coterie of clowns - well past the point of groupthink to the extent that they are so fragile that accepting any criticism at all cannot be countenanced under any circumstances.

[AndrewT]

Labour actually got a higher % of the vote in Copeland than they did in Stoke - the only reason they won Stoke was because the Con/UKIP vote was split.

If UKIP do fade now under the clown-leadership of Nuttall then Labour could get proper crushed in all kinds of unlikely places.

like Scotland? 

Exactly, except at least in Scotland there was the surge of the SNP, there was a party legitimately inspiring people to switch their vote.

In England they'll be losing to UKIP (a party so useless the characters in The Thick of It seem Prime Ministerial in comparison) and the Tories at their most incompetent - it should have been an open goal for Labour, the Tories under John Major were in better shape. Everything going wrong for Labour is entirely self-inflicted (with the exception of the collapse of the Lib Dems handing the Tories some free seats)